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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:16:00 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 13:51:28 2015. The only thing I like about Penn Station is Rosa's Pizza, and even that they want to throw out in favor of upscale bull crap like GCT's food court. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:19:53 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 14:01:44 2015. the current NYP looks reasonably modern, its clean and safe, don't see why commuters would hate itBecause it is visually and functionally a shopping mall instead of a train station. Look at GCT vs. Penn Station. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:23:41 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:07:11 2015. I don't care how many cars it is. The Adirondack causes a huge blockage. |
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Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 15:24:30 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 13 13:51:39 2015. Impossible. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 15:25:25 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 13 13:37:28 2015. MSG is more a symbol and rich history more than anythingSymbol of what, and what "rich history"? Riffraff ripping the seats out during concerts? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:28:54 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:23:41 2015. And its all of 100 people heading to Montreal from NYC. Been there done that. They pretty well fill 2 Amfleet-2 coaches, and that's all.So it's not the station design in this case, but the idiots running Amtrak. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:29:16 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:16:00 2015. Good thing it wasn't Caruso's Pizza that you liked. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:30:24 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:28:54 2015. Some days the train has many more passengers than other days.If you can't change the "idiots", then redesign the station to accommodate how the "idiots" want to do things. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:31:57 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:29:16 2015. I don't remember them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:33:55 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:30:24 2015. Which could mean Moynihan Station.We do not want to reinforce their behavior by spending $1.5 Billion. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:36:16 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:31:57 2015. So long, Penn Station establishments. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:37:09 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:33:55 2015. Yes. The idea would be to accommodate the "idiots" but also improve things in general as well. |
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Re: Madison Square Garden |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 13 15:50:14 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 13:41:43 2015. That's the same with me. I am one of the people that really hate the fact that this happened in the 60's, and wish they could rebuild it stone by stone. But then there is reality. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 13 15:51:29 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 11:46:21 2015. Outside of railfans? It goes WAY beyond railfans. Railfans are perhaps the smallest percentage of those actually. |
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Re: Madison Square Garden |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:02:26 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 10:15:54 2015. The location is very important.It has to be accessible to many subway lines and commuter rails. Moving it to another location could be devastating. Especially now that it competes with four other major venues(Nassau, Barclays, Prudential, and IZOD). Keep in mind, previous MSG's didn't compete with other venues. Neither did the current one when it was built. But slowly competition crept up. I see the current location as being very important. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 16:05:22 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 15:02:13 2015. I browsed though the reviews of the station on Yelp, and most common complaint seems to be them announcing the track a train will depart from only like 10 minutes before it departs, which wouldn't change if the old station was rebuilt as that as an dispatching issue.http://www.yelp.com/biz/new-york-penn-station-new-york One lady even gave NYP a five star rating on there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 16:07:26 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 16:05:22 2015. How many of the 400,000 gets in Yelp and rates the place ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 16:08:33 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Jan 13 15:37:09 2015. I am not in favor it. |
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Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Tue Jan 13 16:51:58 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 13 13:37:28 2015. Replace the MSG roof with a lightweight air supported roof. Take the weight savings and raise MSG.Take a look at the current MSG roof. MSG Roof http://www.newsteelconstruction.com/wp/40-year-ago-americas-largest-cable-suspension-roof-madison-square-gardens-new-york-city/ Its a combination outer perimeter compression ring and inner tension ring system. Cables connect perpendicularly from the perimeter ring to the inner ring. Concrete slabs run between the outer and inner ring in between the cables. All this support the suspended scoreboard and the mechanical systems high above the arena floor. Needless to say, it is heavy. Move the mechanical systems to the perimeter. Seal the building. Retain the cables and rings as backup for inflatable roof. A new larger scoreboard may hang from the ring. Take the rest of the weight savings and raise the MSG building 1 story (~14ft). Modify the Forum Lobby (Theater at MSG lobby). Demolish the ticket offices along the west wall on the Amtrak Concourse level, and link with lower level. That will give Penn Station a perimeter ground floor glass wall for daylight, and better street level pedestrian access. It would give NY Penn a nice 2 story glass wall and column entrance at 8th Ave. Inside, there may be a 3 story atrium near the 8th Ave end, with a high ceiling, and a cutout with escalators and elevators to the Exit Concourse. It would also give MSG a pedestal, and ramps or lifts would give trucks and vans to access MSG loading bay. Its not quite GCT atrium or even the Woods Bagot NY Penn alternate proposal (http://www.woodsbagot.com/news/reimagining-the-garden), but nobody would need to move, and you don't even need to find a replacement space for the Theater at MSG. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 13:42:40 2015. wrong.MSG has to stay where it is. It's location is a big selling point. Convenience. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 17:03:38 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Jan 13 13:37:28 2015. Outdated?They just replaced most of the interior to modern NBA/NHL standards. Everything is brand new. The ceiling is iconic. Replacing that design would be stupid. It was discussed and MSG officials wisely kept it. The round venue is fine. Most people don't even fucking see it. They crawl out of Penn Station or some parking lot and go right into the arena for the event. And they're in a bigger hurry to leave. What should they do? Replace with a big box like Staples Center? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 17:18:58 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 16:05:22 2015. Thats a problem that didn't happen at GCT. They had a staff of "Gatemen" (officially ushers) that kept those heavy Iron gates closed before boarding time.The train departure tracks were well posted in advance, for every train had an assigned track. This (in theory)was to keep the crowds on the main concourse instead of gathering on the platform. This was to allow passengers coming into GCT to de-train without platform congestion & be directed (ushered) to the nearest open gate.. In addition the heat on the platforms a few cars up often went as high as 130 degrees. Often folks would go around a closed gate, walk down the platform in that heat (summertime), have the train equiptment arrive late & often fall out from the heat. And if they didn'go down, they'd miss their train if there was a last minute track change. I wonder if the old Penn Sta had a similar gate system |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 18:01:18 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015. False. The Meadowlands got no train service until five years ago and is in an abominable location, yet people still go there in droves. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 18:03:44 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 17:03:38 2015. They're planning on replacing it anyway. Cablevision wanted it gone less than two years ago. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 18:03:52 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015. Not only that but neither Yankee Stadium nor Citifield is as convenient as MSG and yet fans still go there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 18:04:41 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 18:03:52 2015. Indeed so. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 18:07:52 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015. If it needs to be on top of Penn Station to be a major selling point, then it is not very marketable on its own, and quite indispensable.Even suburbanites will take long subway schleps to the Bronx for the Yankees. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 13 18:14:05 2015, in response to Re: Madison Square Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:02:26 2015. Nassau will be toast after the Islanders leave. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 19:02:18 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 18:07:52 2015. +1000 each to Olog-hai, randyo and Joe V. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:12:07 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 16:05:22 2015. Who uses Yelp to rate a train station? Surely you're trolling. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:13:06 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 16:08:33 2015. As is your right. No one said it was perfect. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:15:32 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015. Wrong. It doesn't kill anyone to walk a few blocks from Penn Station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:20:21 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:15:32 2015. They need the exercise for the junk food they'll eat at the game anyway.Let them walk to a barge off 12th Avenue. I don't care. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:20:59 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 18:01:18 2015. That's NJ.In Manhattan, the current location for MSG is the best. Moving it could make it less competitive vs. the four other major venues. Convenience is a big factor. All the drunk Rangers fans taking LIRR need to be able to walk right upstairs. Can you imagine all the LI and NJ fans having to race to Penn to catch their train if MSG is moved a few blocks away? They'd hate it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:22:10 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:13:06 2015. Reason being Amtrak transfers from LIRR and subways become more difficult. Rather MSG patrons do that. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:25:55 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:15:32 2015. Thanks for trolling me again.Having to walk a few blocks for LI and NJ elements is not good. They hate walking. And it means they have to add time to catch their train home. Being upstairs from Penn Station is important to MSG. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:25:55 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:20:59 2015. Don't care. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:29:23 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:25:55 2015. "Trolling you" again.(Learn to like it or you will be miserable) If they can't walk, they can take a bus. If they hate walking, they can stay home and get coronaries. I don't care what is important to MSG anymore than any other commercial sports venue. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:37:57 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:12:07 2015. Yeah that was a good one!!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:38:30 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 18:07:52 2015. The Yankees are the most successful franchise in history.They went through some rough years. And they host baseball 90% of the time. There are occasional concerts and now soccer. MSG draws a lot of family shows which are important. If MSG moves a few blocs away and people have to walk to take the subway, it's easier to see hockey or a family show or WWE when it's on LI or NJ. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:39:35 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 16:59:52 2015. It would still be con venient moved a couple blocks west |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:41:22 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:25:55 2015. You have to walk a little for Barclay's....who cares. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:42:02 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 13 19:29:23 2015. Lol!! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:42:03 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:39:35 2015. it would die a couple blocks west. people would have to catch even later LIRR and NJ transit trains. that's not good. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:43:15 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:38:30 2015. How will they see hockey on long island? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:44:25 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:25:55 2015. Not trolling. Just telling you the truth. Putting it on 9th Ave would not make a difference. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:44:32 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:43:15 2015. Islanders will still play some home games there.Or just settle for AHL team. Either way, moving MSG a few blocks kills the convenience factor and that's not good. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 13 19:45:29 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:44:32 2015. Some....like 2 maybe? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jan 13 19:46:09 2015, in response to Re: Madison Cylindrical Garden, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 19:42:03 2015. Nope. Wrong. Thanks for the stupid. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 13 19:47:45 2015, in response to Re: Penn Station, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jan 13 11:46:21 2015. I never heard of anyone complaining about NYP outside of railfans TBH.You must not know many people who aren't railfans. |
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