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Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern... |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Nov 22 19:57:26 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Sat Nov 22 19:07:54 2014. There isn't much competing traffic overnight. I agree it would be very hard to send a freight train south from Croton at 7:30 AM. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 09:17:14 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 12:40:48 2014. A single rail freight tunnel is not going to do that.One of the versions of tunnel option involves building terminals at both ends to accommodate roll on roll off trains service for carrying trucks. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 09:22:42 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Fri Nov 21 15:05:47 2014. But the capital cost of building the tunnel would require payments of hundreds of millions of dollars a year in interest. How can that compete with running trains up to the Selkirk bridge and back down?You are think short term. New York Penn Station was built over a hundred years ago. It has paid for itself multiple times over. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 09:30:04 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 09:22:42 2014. You are think short term. New York Penn Station was built over a hundred years ago. It has paid for itself multiple times over.But NY Penn was all or nothing. In contrast, the Selkirk Bridge already exists and is being used far below capacity. A harbor tunnel would make far more sense if there were demand for 10 trains per day to LI and the Selkirk Bridge couldn't handle them. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 09:39:03 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by merrick1 on Sat Nov 22 09:03:37 2014. How about building a port somewhere on Long Island instead of unloading ships in New Jersey and trying to figure out how to get the containers to Long Island.Problem with that idea is ships would have to call at 2 ports to off load their cargo. Once for shipments to Long Island and again for shipments to the mainland. The majority of the traffic carried on the car floats is coming from mainland. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 10:19:53 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 09:17:14 2014. That'll certainly make local traffic bothersome. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 10:26:51 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 10:19:53 2014. That'll certainly make local traffic bothersome.Yes, but it will address the issue of easing truck traffic mentioned by MR RT in this post. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 10:34:24 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 10:26:51 2014. Minimally. Where is there room for a transfer yard on Long Island, really?The MTA has curtailed a lot of the former LIRR local freight capacity. I'd like to see the NY&A expand, but keeping trucks in the mix won't let that happen to any significant degree. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Nov 23 10:52:56 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by pragmatist on Thu Nov 20 11:09:40 2014. If you live next to the railroad, said pollution is directly affecting you. They don't care about the reduced pollution on the Thruway, |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 23 10:59:46 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Nov 20 21:18:34 2014. during ww 2 freights were run thru the tunnels. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 11:28:03 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Nov 23 10:59:46 2014. Current freights are heavier. Someone posted on this site a few years ago that they ran a freight train through in the middle of the night very slowly and broke stuff doing it. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 11:33:57 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 09:30:04 2014. But NY Penn was all or nothing. In contrast, the Selkirk Bridge already exists and is being used far below capacity.Penn Station eliminated the need forever to get off trains in New Jersey and board ferries to get Manhattan. You are still think short term. A more direct route will be just as much quicker the day it opens as it will be 100 or more years from now. The amount of time and fuel saved compared the Selkirk Bridge route will be the long term payoff. A harbor tunnel would make far more sense if there were demand for 10 trains per day to LI and the Selkirk Bridge couldn't handle them. Who says the tunnel will not be handling 10, 20, 50 or more trains a day in 50 or more years. Who says the tunnels only purpose is to serve the rail shipping needs of Long Island. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 11:37:41 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 11:33:57 2014. Who says the tunnel will not be handling 10, 20, 50 or more trains a day in 50 or more years.What revenue will pay the interest due on the bonds in the first year? For Penn Station, that was clear. For a harbor tunnel, there is no credible source of sufficient revenue for many years. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 12:20:57 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 23 10:34:24 2014. Minimally. Where is there room for a transfer yard on Long Island, really?Based on what I could glean from the Cross Harbor Draft Environment Impact Statement documents the roll on roll off terminals could be at the Port Newark / Elizabeth on the New Jersey side and Fresh Pond Yard on the Long Island Side. The MTA has curtailed a lot of the former LIRR local freight capacity. I'd like to see the NY&A expand, but keeping trucks in the mix won't let that happen to any significant degree. I agree. Me thinks the trucking part of the equation would be fright that would not have moved by rail with or without tunnel. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Nov 23 13:36:55 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 09:30:04 2014. Maybe that's why there isn't much demand for freight traffic to from long island bc they have to run 140 miles out the way to come back down. Not very efficient and time consuming. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 13:51:02 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by FtGreeneG on Sun Nov 23 13:36:55 2014. An express train would take an extra 12 hours. The overall trip from origin is days or weeks. 12 hours shouldn't matter so much. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:51:14 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 11:37:41 2014. NY City has sent billions building Water Tunnel #3 and associated aqueducts. What is the revenue source to repay those bonds? Some things just have to be done for the common good. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:52:41 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 12:20:57 2014. "Based on what I could glean from the Cross Harbor Draft Environment Impact Statement documents the roll on roll off terminals could be at the Port Newark / Elizabeth on the New Jersey side and Fresh Pond Yard on the Long Island Side."There is also a reference to the need for a transfer facility further east on LI, but it says since that area is outside of PANYNJ jurisdiction, it would have to be built by some other entity. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:53:46 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 13:51:02 2014. How could an express train bypass the current other trains on the line to be express? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 14:01:32 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:51:14 2014. What is the revenue source to repay those bonds?My wife and I personally are paying over $600 this year in water bills. And our building has about half the average usage per apartment. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 14:02:27 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:53:46 2014. I mean non-stop. In particular, don't stop in Selkirk Yard to be reassembled. That's the huge time consumption. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 14:30:00 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 14:01:32 2014. I doubt water bills are sufficient. My point is that in many cases, general tax revenues should be tapped to pay for needed infrastructure. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 14:35:46 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 14:30:00 2014. Your point is a reasonable one. But the taxpayer subsidies should be for services that have a market. Water has a huge market. Freight to Long Island has almost none. If it had a moderate market that was being capacity-constrained I would agree with you. Let's first encourage a market with less expensive initiatives. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 14:53:42 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 14:01:32 2014. My wife and I personally are paying over $600 this year in water bills. And our building has about half the average usage per apartment.That's about $300.00 less then what I pay on a system that serves less then 2,000 properties. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 15:45:01 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 14:53:42 2014. Makes sense. There are economies of scale in operating a really big system. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 17:23:51 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 14:53:42 2014. In many ways, New York is less expensive than some other places. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Nov 23 21:00:37 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 15:45:01 2014. Makes sense. There are economies of scale in operating a really big system.The amount I pay has more to do with fact I own a corner lot then how many are connected to the system. Water where I live is not metered, we pay based partly on property frontage footage, (number of feet of the mains on 2 sides of my lot). John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by MR RT on Mon Nov 24 07:46:44 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by merrick1 on Sat Nov 22 09:03:37 2014. There are plunty of containers being unloaded in NJ ! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 24 09:57:13 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Mon Nov 24 07:46:44 2014. That there are. And for them to go across the harbor as double stack trains, the clearance of the tunnel has to be 25 feet—to the bottom of the catenary wire, not the tunnel ceiling. |
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Posted by MR RT on Mon Nov 24 11:29:45 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 24 09:57:13 2014. Besides a tunnel, high enough, the project would also have to have millions to create a yard(s) on the NY side of the river to unload those containers.The Bay Ridge NIMBYs are already conplaining & this is only about the tunnel. Space wise I don't think they have enough room for an unloading facility at the river yard, and elsewhere on Long Island they are going to have a problem (with space) too. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:37:19 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Sun Nov 23 11:28:03 2014. I thought they forbade any freight through the North River Tubes baring a emergency. Mail, as far as I know is permissible, but considering the increase in packages and parcel shipments, what is freight and what is mail?If you pack containers and pallets with mail and packages, is it a mail shipment? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 25 19:46:56 2014, in response to NY-NJ Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel: Mail Parcel edition, posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:37:19 2014. if USPS, it is mail, if UPS , FedEx etc, it is freight. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:47:37 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel: Mail Parcel edition, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 25 19:46:56 2014. Is that so..... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 25 20:26:46 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel: Mail Parcel edition, posted by Outside the Box on Tue Nov 25 19:47:37 2014. USPS still has a statutory monopoly on "mail." |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Wed Nov 26 10:22:36 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel: Mail Parcel edition, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 25 20:26:46 2014. Would it be possible to create a "Mail train". USPS would be the head customer. UPS, FedEx, etc would be sub-customer via contract with USPS. They would ship mail (and parcels and packages) through Manhattan via North River Tubes and East River Tunnels. Electric locos would come from Amtrak and NJT (AEM-7, ALP-44). CSX, NY & Atlantic, and P&W would provide the diesel electrics. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Nov 26 12:34:25 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Harbor Freight Tunnel: Mail Parcel edition, posted by Outside the Box on Wed Nov 26 10:22:36 2014. Probably...the mail cars were usually used in passenger consists, so I am guessing that they can be a unit train that won't slow down the pax trains. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 21 14:58:54 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 21 12:40:48 2014. I have read this totally and I noticed that the first poster spelled people wrong!!! |
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Posted by Charles G on Sun Dec 21 15:01:11 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Dec 21 14:58:54 2014. Thanks Dan. Nice catch! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:37:12 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:54:27 2014. Do they really expect to get that much traffic over it? Even if it's a train every 3 hours you can still get passenger service in there. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:41:43 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by MR RT on Mon Nov 24 11:29:45 2014. They already have a facility in Brookhaven built specifically for increased rail freight |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:43:06 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 19:17:47 2014. I think between 10PM and 5AM you could definitely run enough trains to make a huge dent. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:45:12 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 23 13:52:41 2014. What's the one in Brookhaven then? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:59:03 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by AlM on Thu Nov 20 23:10:25 2014. So I've read the whole thread stemming from your suggestion. I agree that, at least for now, assembling an all Long Island train on the Jersey side and running it non-stop (no cars being taken off/added on) to Long Island during the night would be an excellent solution. What needs to be found out first is exactly how long that would actually take (I believe it has to change ends twice, no? Once at Port Morris and again at Fresh Pond). Could it be done in a window of, say, 8PM-4:30AM? How many trucks that originate in NJ are actually destined for Long Island? How many single stack trains does that warrant? I can understand the need for building the tunnel if you've got enough freight to warrant several trains a day, but you can make a significant impact with 1 or 2 a day, then I don't really see the money for it being justified.Hell, if it needs to be, run a train direct from NJ, no stop in Selkirk, that is headed for both Hunts Point and LI. Split the train while changing ends at Port Morris. Would that be possible? |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Dec 24 11:19:48 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by 3-9 on Fri Nov 21 17:04:22 2014. Not wide enough from Ocean Avenue west to about New Utrecht Avenue. Would require acquisition of large amount of property. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Dec 24 11:40:09 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 23 01:37:12 2014. If its Light Rail then they won't be able to run freights at the same time cause of the FRA. I can't see a commuter rail being successful on this line in modern times so its either subway or LR. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 24 12:46:40 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Dec 24 11:40:09 2014. Not even if it's a 2 car commuter rail set? Is the operating cost really that wildly different? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 26 04:57:04 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by Dan on Wed Dec 24 11:19:48 2014. Are you sure about that? Looking at Google Maps, it looks plenty wide to me, if they clear away some of the vegetation. Stations and such are another matter, that will almost certainly require land acquisition. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 26 05:02:47 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Dec 24 12:46:40 2014. Not only that, there are commuter cars which can provide subway-like acceleration. How much more difficult would it be to provide subway-like cars that are FRA-compliant? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Dec 27 01:17:25 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by 3-9 on Fri Dec 26 05:02:47 2014. It's already been plenty difficult... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Dec 27 02:36:27 2014, in response to Re: NY-NJ Cross Habor Freight Tunnel: November 2014 study release; Lots of people concern..., posted by italianstallion on Fri Nov 21 16:54:27 2014. Billions of dollars for a freight only tunnel. |
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