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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 07:48:03 2012 Forty five years ago today the Chrystie Street Subway opened for service effectively merging the BMT and IND Divisions. For a generation of railfans the subways would never be the same. Below is the excerpt form "The Book of First and Last Runs." November 25-26, 1967 This was the weekend that saw the opening of the Chrystie Street Line and the Grand Street Station. The last QT Broadway-Brighton Local via Tunnel (BMT Rt. 1), left from Coney Island at 11:59 PM, November 25 en-route to Ditmars Boulevard, Astoria. It left Astoria at 1:32 AM, November 26. The consist was (N) 3580-1,3690-1,3799-8,3857-6. The last D Concourse-6th Avenue-Culver Express left from Coney Island at 12:03 AM, November 26. The consist was (N) R-4 524,823, R-1 283, R-4 681,551,417, R-6 958, R-4 629,817, 633. The first D Concourse-6th Avenue-Brighton Express left from Coney Island at 12:10 AM . This would be the first train to operate through the new Chrystie Street Tunnel. The consist was (N) R-32A 3380-1,3522-3,3576-7,3642-3. It met the first southbound D Concourse-6th Avenue-Brighton Express at Broadway-Lafayette Street. The consist of the southbound train was (S) R-4 794, R-6 1010,1006, R-4 796, R-6 996, R-1 137, 249, R-4 806, R-1 141, R-4 677. Larry,RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012, in response to 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 07:48:03 2012. I didn't know that the D used 8 cars at first. I only remember it running 10 cars, post-Chrystie. Albeit, I didn't ride every day, mainly if Mom wanted to shop at Gimbels or Macy's at Herald Square (since the 6th Av and Broadway Lines meet at Herald Square, for this trip, we weren't really affected by Chrystie, still a one-seat ride (unless we rode the B47 the one stop to Empire/Flatbush (more like Washington/Flatbush, where the B47 (and B48) fumigated, then went around the block (Washington/Lincoln Rd/Flatbush/Empire) to the layover zone). Only difference was the platform. At least post-Chrystie, we wouldn't get into the situation where, during a period of missing Qs, pre-Chrystie, I attempted to show my vast knowledge of the subway system at 8 years old, and announced that we could take the N and change to the Q (or QT) at Dekalb. I think you see where this is going, we of course sailed by Dekalb and ended up at Pacific St! Not to worry, I said, we'll get the next train back to Dekalb and cross over. Well, the next train was a T, so we again sailed by Dekalb, back over the bridge and into Canal. Crossed over, and my mother said in no uncertain terms, we will board the Q and THE Q ONLY!! LOLDidn't occure to me to take the RR back to Dekalb, but even back then, I was an expressophile. :) Post-Chrystie, the highlight for me was getting my first subway map with all the new routes in the pretty colors. I think we had just gotten off a B41 at Empire/Flatbush, and I beg my mom to let me run down to the token booth and see if they had the new map. They did! I think I stared at it for hours :) Loved the 60s TA logo on the cover. Before the Ronan/MTA "M" (ugh)  |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 13:41:49 2012, in response to 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 07:48:03 2012. And thousands of people at Dekalb Ave in the morning said "WTF is going on here?" .... |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 26 14:15:09 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012. Weekend Ds used 8 cars for quite a while but M-F Ds used the full 10 cars. B trains used 8 cars for several years since West End platforms were not lengthened for several years after Chrystie opened. Even after that, B, N, and RR trains remained 8 cars for several years even after BMT Bway and 4 Av stations were extended to 10 cars which took place in 1969/70. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 14:38:33 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012. I actually have that map- and i didn't get it off e-bay. My mom obtained it from a token booth back in the day!!! She gave it t me when I was about 10. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 14:40:12 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 14:38:33 2012. And I'm not ciriticizing anyone who has bought stuff from e-bay or wherever else. Any of us who have this stuff are very lucky :)I was just boasting a bit...but not at anyone else's expense. Kind of like owning a '65 Mustang from brand-new. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 15:05:16 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 26 14:15:09 2012. The B, R and Q were using 8 cars as late as 1987. Only the Manhattan Bridge closures and the subsequent loss of capacity to midtown made all non-ED BMT lines go full 600'. |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Mon Nov 26 15:07:32 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012. I also like that map and still have my original copy. But I did like the previous map with color pictures of the subway cars.I remember there being some serious backups on the D-express between Sheepshead Bay and Brighton Beach in the afternoon rush outbound. Around December, 1967, I watched the backup from the walkway on the bridge over the Belt Parkway. Also remember some backups between Church Avenue and Prospect Park-inbound on the few mornings that I got to ride the D-express. Ah, the subway memories. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 26 16:11:52 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by peppertree5706 on Mon Nov 26 15:07:32 2012. The reason for the S/B backups was that when Chrystie was first implemented QJs terminated at BBC and Ds went through to Stl requiring both services to Xover N/O BBC. Apparently the so called TA planners forgot that the IRT West Side services were realigned in 1959 to eliminate just that problem N/O 96 St. The following pick, the services were adjusted so that QJs went through to Stl and Ds terminated at BBC while operating as Brighton expresses and went through to Stl only when operating as lcls. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:32:20 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012. I didn't know that the D used 8 cars at first. I only remember it running 10 cars<.i>The D only used eight car trains during the night of the changeover November 25-26. As eight car "QT" trains arrived at Coney Island they were re-signed as "D". Similarly as ten car "D" Culver trains arrived at Coney Island they were re-signed as "F". By the following Monday morning all the "D"s were up to full strength. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:45:15 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 14:38:33 2012. My mom obtained it from a token booth back in the day!!!I hope that you said "thank you Mom." There are some great moms out there. Later that day 11/26/67)I was riding the "D" across the Manhattan Bridge at the front window. A women got on the train with her son who was about eight. He wanted to look out the front window but was hesitant to do so because I was there. I was glad to step back and give the little guy the front spot as I could easily see over him. I asked his mother if he knew that he was going through the brand new subway which hadn't been open even 24 hours yet. She didn't know about the opening but her son enjoyed riding the trains and so she had taken him for an outing. Once he found out that he was going through the brand new tunnel he was on Cloud 9. I wonder what ever happened to that little guy? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 26 17:55:56 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 14:38:33 2012. My mom threw a bunch of mine away, probably including that one. :-( |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 18:37:14 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 15:05:16 2012. The B, R and Q were using 8 cars as late as 1987.So was the N when it ran R32's around that time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 19:18:50 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Nov 26 12:53:20 2012. Post-Chrystie, the highlight for me was getting my first subway map with all the new routes in the pretty colors.Indeed. It was 1967. I suspect acid was involved. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 19:23:52 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 18:37:14 2012. I always remembered the N using 600' trains when it ran on Queens Blvd. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 21:39:55 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 19:23:52 2012. The N was 480' when it ran R32's. I never said anything about the R46's. |
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Posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 21:46:21 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 19:23:52 2012. The N was 480' long when it ran R32's:   |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 22:06:51 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 26 17:55:56 2012. Oh man...my first wife nearly did that. If she had, I might still be in jail, LOL. Luckily, my current wife is tolernt of my love of the subway. She doesn't understand it, but she's tolerant :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 26 22:10:25 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:45:15 2012. Maybe he posts on here :) |
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Posted by gbs on Mon Nov 26 23:37:37 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:32:20 2012. I vividly remember standing on the Manhattan-bound platform at 63 Drive (GG,RR) that first day watching train after train of the oldest R1/9 F's I had ever seen racing towards Jamaica, with their 3-digit car numbers and filthy windows. Prior to then, Queens Boulevard had only the newer R1/9s, which seemed brighter and cleaner. The car population at Jamaica Yard was radically changed. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 00:07:08 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:32:20 2012. Were any R27/30? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 00:11:01 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 21:46:21 2012. Not entirely..I've been on a few Queens Blvd N trains that were 10 cars.. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Nov 27 00:53:38 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 00:11:01 2012. Really? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 01:33:40 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by renee gil on Tue Nov 27 00:53:38 2012. ok yeah... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 27 07:15:28 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 26 15:05:16 2012. But they've kept 'em at that level ever since... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 27 07:18:06 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by peppertree5706 on Mon Nov 26 15:07:32 2012. There was a 1960s map with color photos? Oh wow...oh wow...I want that much more than I could possibly want a flat-screen TV or iPhone or whatever... |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 10:46:01 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 27 07:18:06 2012. Just checked my early, 1967 map for accuracy.A color picture of R-36 World's Fair paint with Shea Stadium in the back. Color of R-32 on Sea Beach. Color of R-38. Also an artist's design of the "futuristic" R-40 slant. |
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Posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 14:05:39 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 10:46:01 2012. This morning I rode the M train through the tunnel from Essex Street to Broadway-Lafayette once used by the old KK Broadway Brooklyn local. Wasn't the construction of this tunnel part of the Chrystie project as well? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:22:14 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Nov 26 17:45:15 2012.  Look what you've done! He still hasn't stopped talking about it! :) --Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:25:13 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 14:05:39 2012. Yes, it was. It stopped seeing passenger trains in 1976, then saw some during D re-routes that went just outside of Essex St to turn around in the early 1980s, then nothing until last year's budget cuts.--Mark |
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Posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 14:45:12 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:25:13 2012. Thanks. I was 8 years old in 1967, and the only lines I rode at that age ran under Queens Boulevard or over Myrtle Avenue. |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 15:04:08 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:25:13 2012. I always thought it to be ironic that the tunnel now on the M was re-opened to revenue service as part of a budget cut. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 27 15:11:40 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by renee gil on Mon Nov 26 21:39:55 2012. When the N was first routed to CTl, it used whatever Jamaica Yd supplied which included R-32s, 46s and even 44s. All N consists were 8 cars regardless of the car type. Initially, all Canal and Whitehall dropouts were required to be 8 X 60 foot cars due to the signal configuration at Canal St requiring PM Whl put ins to change ends in the middle track. Once a reverse home signal was installed on the S/B lcl track N/O Canal, Whl put ins could enter the lcl tk in Canal station and change ends there to go to Whl. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 27 15:12:31 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 00:11:01 2012. See my post on that. |
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Posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 15:17:44 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 15:04:08 2012. Well, I miss my one-seat ride from Metropolitan Avenue to Broad Street.My bus line in Queens, the Q38, stops at both Woodhaven Boulevard and Metropolitan Avenue. A friend's college-age son asked his father, "Why should I ride an hour on the M train to get to the Queens Center Mall (at Woodhaven Boulevard) when I can get there in 15 minutes on the bus?" I have come to call the M "The Great Circle to Nowhere." |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 27 15:19:30 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by gbs on Mon Nov 26 23:37:37 2012. Actually, prior to the arrival of the R-38s, Qns Blvd had R-1s in the 300 series and R-4s in the 400 thru 700 series. The remaining R-1s, 4s, and 6s were in Wash Hts and the Concourse. The remaining R-7s through 9s except for the 1400s which were in Wash Hts and Concourse were assigned to Queens with the exception of R-7A 1575 which was assigned to Wash Hts and almost exclusively found on the AA/BB. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Nov 27 17:05:35 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:22:14 2012. Mark: Isn't that our old friend Dennis Riga? He'll probably show up for the R-1/9 Holiday train.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Nov 27 17:07:57 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 14:05:39 2012. Wasn't the construction of this tunnel part of the Chrystie project as well?It was. The connection between Essex Street (BMT) and Broadway-Lafayette Street (IND) did not open until July 1968. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Nov 27 18:20:41 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 00:07:08 2012. Mr Edwards: You sound like a good solid BMT man to be asking about the R-27/30's. The car assignment plan after Chrystie Street initially called for R-27/30's on the N,NX, QB,QJ,RJ and RR.They were also assigned to the weekend and night time "JJ" between 168 Street and Broad Street. This car plan was not followed religiously for very long. In the days after Chrystie Street it seemed that you could rice any piece of equipment on nearly any line. About the only thing that you were sure of was catch a Q-Type on the Myrtle Avenue El south of Broadway. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 27 18:24:25 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by rushhoursardine on Tue Nov 27 15:17:44 2012. Quite a few more people right "the great circle to nowhere" now than they did when it just went down Nassau St. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 18:38:19 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Nov 27 14:25:13 2012. which,judging how popular the line is from day one,should have let the MTA KNOW that the cries from Eastern Division riders FOR THE RESTORATION WAS JUSTIFIED.they are such idiots. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 19:11:39 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 27 15:11:40 2012. hmm...regardless of that..I've been on 10 car N trains out of Jamaica..either R32 or R16.. and one R27/30...YES, I said R16's. |
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Posted by renee gil on Tue Nov 27 20:51:03 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 19:11:39 2012. Hmmm...very interesting.... |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Nov 27 23:04:56 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 27 15:19:30 2012. I remember the arrival of the R38s in the summer of 1966, but I don't recall any old 3-digit arnine cars on Queens Blvd prior to Chrystie in 1967. The only time we saw them before then was when we took the D at 7 Av or the CC at 42 St. Their arnines were old! |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Nov 27 23:07:50 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 27 19:11:39 2012. As soon as the N replaced the EE as the Queens Blvd local, I saw R16 N trains (and was shocked and disappointed to see them!). |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 23:19:23 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by gbs on Tue Nov 27 23:07:50 2012. I also remember once in a while seeing R16 trains on the QJ Brighton Line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 28 00:48:56 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Tue Nov 27 18:20:41 2012. So the D only used R1/9..32'S?The QT used both 27/30s and 32..so did the 27's drop out at Stillwell to become QB/QJ the following weekday,with 32a becoming D trains? I know about the JJ's..they basically used 6 car QJ trains during the late evenings nights weekends. during the weekdays,they used R16..and the influx of pre war R units from Jamaica that were being swapped out for the 16s for EE and RR service. i only got to ride the Myrtle El below Broadway ONCE... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 28 00:53:00 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by gbs on Tue Nov 27 23:07:50 2012. My first QB N train was a set of Brand new R46 cars..spanking brand new.still had that "new car smell" in them. |
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Posted by peppertree5706 on Wed Nov 28 00:54:55 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 28 00:48:56 2012. R32 on QT? Maybe there was, but I only remember R27/30 on QT. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 28 00:56:23 2012, in response to Re: 45 Years Ago - Chrystie Street Subway Opens, posted by peppertree5706 on Tue Nov 27 23:19:23 2012. now Thats a funny thing..I never saw a R16 QJ in service..only R7/9/27/30/32/42..Did see a 16 RJ/JJ ..didnt see a 16 KK.. |
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