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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 22:28:56 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 22:26:32 2012. when that happens I shall take you to peter lugers & let you eat to your stomachs content. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:30:23 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 14:10:22 2012. Uhm, again. It's known fact that the subway WAS constructed from Rockaway Ave to at least Euclid. The station shells at the four stations east of Bway Junction were all constructed, as well as the entire station at Bway Junction (Bway East New York). The finishing work was not done on any of those stations aside from Bway Junction, and of course the tracks and signals were not installed because of the lack of metal and construction stopping for WWII. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:31:41 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 20 15:12:13 2012. That is correct, but he is saying the Rockaway line would have been connected to the Pitkin subway instead of the Liberty el. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:33:43 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 20 15:14:41 2012. It was an LIRR station, not a NYCT station. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 22:36:16 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:33:43 2012. Pst,he`s talking about the OTHER aquaduct station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:37:34 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 22:36:16 2012. ??? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 20 22:47:56 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 20 22:37:34 2012. north conduit station vrs the race track spur station. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:54:49 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 15:47:54 2012. Notice all the street names near "Aquaduct". Conduit Blvd. Force Tube Ave. Fountain Ave. These names referred to actual conduits, force tubes and fountains that existed at one time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:58:20 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Tue Jun 19 15:47:54 2012. Ridgewood Reservoir became Highland Park. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 21 00:01:28 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jun 20 22:47:56 2012. Both were built during LIRR days, no? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:10:19 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:54:49 2012. Those conduits and force tubes still exist but have been abandoned for decades. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 07:13:24 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 22:28:56 2012. That's some statement. I'd have to mortgage the lower 40 to eat at Peter Luger. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:15:39 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:58:20 2012. Ridgewood Reservoir is still there, empty and overgrown with foilage [sic]. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:16:55 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GIS Man on Wed Jun 20 15:31:23 2012. That's because they probably just copy the city planning maps which show this, rather than reflecting the "facts of the ground." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:23:37 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 16:40:26 2012. What would you do about the surface intersections? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:24:35 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 16:16:27 2012. Obviously the section within city limits is still owned by the city. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jun 21 07:45:27 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:10:19 2012. Nice. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Thu Jun 21 07:46:15 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:15:39 2012. Nice. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 21 08:08:58 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:58:20 2012. No, Highland Park was always there. The reservoir (or the drained remains of it) just happens to be in Highland Park. |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Jun 21 08:11:35 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jun 20 23:54:49 2012. I remember them well, especially the large pimping station at Atlantic and Conduit. I live two blocks from where the tubes were here in Nassau, right next to the Long Island Rail Road. Unfortunately, they recently tore down the beautiful large brick pumping station in Freeport, which was supposed to have been converted into an apartment house. However, the private owner never maintained the structure, it fell into a state of serious disrepair, and it was destroyed. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 21 08:11:58 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 20 15:06:22 2012. The alignment was along South St, they straightened it at a later date. We had a whole thread about this about a year ago. It was around the time of the subway construction to Euclid that the realignment away from South rd was made. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 08:35:17 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Joe Saitta on Thu Jun 21 08:11:35 2012. A large pimping station at Atlantic and Conduit? Boy would THAT have caused one hell of a traffic jam! Or would it be traffic jelly?LOL Bob |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 08:35:36 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by randyo on Wed Jun 20 15:06:22 2012. The problem with old maps is that they often include phantom streets from planning maps, and not the actual street layouts. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 08:39:34 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Wed Jun 20 20:37:01 2012. I-78 was supposed to run from the WillyB down between Broadway and Bushwick Av. and then along either Fulton or Atlantic and then down the Conduit median to connect to the current Nassau Expwy, which later became NYS-878. As it was built, the Queens portion is wide enough but the Brooklyn portion is much narrower, as if the plans had been abandoned by the time it was built.Bob |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:12:42 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 08:35:36 2012. Plus I know for a fact Hagstrom (and probably most map companies) included intentional errors in places they figured wouldnn't do any harm. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:14:57 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 08:35:17 2012. There are many active pimping stations in the city. In other areas you have free-range women. Someone should map them. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:19:23 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 21 00:01:28 2012. No, having dealt with the phantom station at 76th Street like forever, we've moved on to the even phantomer station at 106th Street at Aqueduct. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Jun 21 09:19:50 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:14:57 2012. R-U volunteering? |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jun 21 09:20:52 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 07:23:37 2012. Just where is the water pipe located?Is it under the North Conduit roadway? As it is a raised roadway, that is where I suspect it is. The grassy mall between the westbound Belt and the North Conduit is wide enough for a two track ROW. I had always hoped for a LIRR EXPRESS ROUTE to Brooklyn, avoiding Jamaica. I believe the water table would make for a difficult subway along that stretch. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:21:11 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 08:39:34 2012. Plus there was his hope for an Atlantic Avenue Expressway. Would Bed-Stuy be unlivable or what if that were built. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:32:38 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Jun 21 09:19:50 2012. Not any more, they can outrun me now. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:34:04 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by tunnelrat on Wed Jun 20 22:24:03 2012. Indeed. There is a Linden Blvd. exit on the SSP in Elmont. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:36:15 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jun 21 09:20:52 2012. After leaving it barren for years I believe they have planted some trees in the median to make it a kinda-sorta park. Dog owners have used it as a run forever. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Jun 21 10:15:10 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:32:38 2012. with some of the "working girls"out there I shall do my best to OUTRUN THEM! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 10:58:25 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 08:39:34 2012. The Bushwick Expressway would have run further north than Bushwick Avenue. That was called the "Middle Route" and was recommended by the planners as opposed to the South Route you describe and North Route. See nycroads.com.Are you certain the plans had been abandoned? The Bushwick Expressway was cancelled in 1971. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 10:59:02 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:21:11 2012. The Cross-Brooklyn Expressway was a better plan than that (Bay Ridge ROW). |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Jun 21 11:16:05 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 10:59:02 2012. Agreed, however I still am perplexed as to why the BQE, Van Wyck, and LIE have their interstate # designations. The BQE should be I-287, the Van Wyck should be I-80 or 695 and the LIE should be I-487 or 495. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 11:32:22 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 10:59:02 2012. I thought we were comparing to this to a Bushwick Expressway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 11:32:51 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Jun 21 11:16:05 2012. How do you figure? The BQE and LIE don't connect to I-87 either. and the Van Wyck doesn't connect to I-80 and on top of everything is a spur so should have an odd number.I-278 was originally intended to start on I-287 and end on I-95, and cross I-78 again in Williamsburg. I-495 originally extended from Secaucus (on I-95) to the Clearview Expressway (then I-78), while the Van Wyck runs from I-78 at the Bruckner Interchange (now I-295) to I-78 at the Nassau Expressway (now I-878 and NY-878). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 11:33:23 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 11:32:51 2012. CORRECTION: I-678 runs, not the Van Wyck, as the latter is part of the former. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 21 11:41:17 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 11:32:22 2012. I was comparing it to an Atlantic Avenue Expressway. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 12:09:56 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 09:12:42 2012. Yes, copyright checks. Most of them are quite obvious if you're familiar with the area of the map. While obtaining my Masters in Geography at Hunter College back in the late 90's, I had taken a course in GIS Law, and one case under discussion was later resolved with the judgment that a map is a "compilation of facts". This meant that you could copyright your map design, but not the information itself. Therefore it is no longer necessary to use copyright checks.Bob |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Jun 21 12:11:02 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by ClearAspect on Thu Jun 21 11:16:05 2012. The Interstate Highway numbering system is a pretty good example of a good idea that gets screwed up by both politicians and poor planning. A good example is the relatively new I-99 in Pennsylvania - in real terms, it SHOULD be a 3 digit spur route - say, 376 or 576; but the local politicos wanted a two digit number because it looks 'better'. It now sticks totally out or 'sequence' of the rest of the eastern Interstate System. Same thing with the NE Extension of the PA Turnpike - its numbered 476 - but they sort of 'get away' with that one, as it continues south as a western belt of Philly... |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 12:13:50 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Jun 21 12:11:02 2012. Also I-238 in northern California, which relates to absolutely nothing. It was simply renamed from a state highway.Bob |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 12:32:55 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 12:09:56 2012. I had taken a course in GIS Law, and one case under discussion was later resolved with the judgment that a map is a "compilation of facts". This meant that you could copyright your map design, but not the information itself.This is true. There was a case involving a telephone directory, where the defendant company used a published phone book as their case but checked the accuracy of each entry before publication. They won the infringement suit. However ... If you are copying "facts" you are safe, but if you copy someone's intentional lie (e.g., a non-existent made-up street) you are not copying a fact, you are copying "art," or "creative content" which is the subject of copyright. So you are not absolutely safe by copying what you think are facts from a published map, and not independently checking them. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 21 12:49:55 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 07:13:24 2012. No credit cards. That kills you. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 21 12:52:56 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 21 08:08:58 2012. My bad. Thought it became the park when it was originally around it and then expanded over it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jun 21 12:56:46 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Jun 18 22:26:28 2012. But all those people who insisted they saw or were inside the "76th St" station? Are you suggesting that anecdotal evidence and third hand accounts cannot be trusted? |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Jun 21 12:56:59 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by SLRT on Thu Jun 21 12:32:55 2012. Interesting, and thanks. So they can still use copyright checks to catch plagiarists, as long as they first make sure their checks are actually nonexistent!Bob |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 21 13:03:01 2012, in response to Re: IND Pitkin Avenue Extension - map, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jun 20 14:35:27 2012. Well, "what if" history is always fun to consider. We can't be sure, but it's very possible that without WW2, 76th Street would be in revenue service today. |
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