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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jul 23 22:55:26 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by WillD on Mon Jul 23 16:16:09 2007. It cost 1000 times the amount that 50 foot ROW was expected to cost, or almost 200 times the completed subway was supposed to cost! It doesn't give a one seat ride up to the Queens Blvd IND stations, nor even a one seat ride to Manhattan.So would any project not done years ago. Everything goes up. And the LIRR Rockaway line was there all along, and no one used that for an airport use back then either, and that was an existing ROW, that could have connected to the QUeens IND, and a one seat ride to Manhattan, just as good as a Van Wyck line....and they didn't use that one either either in Moses time, or after. The City's contribution to highway construction, not counting state and federal funds for the same projects, was at that time 280 million dollars. If they couldn't find some way to scrape around 9 to 11 million dollars together to fix an expressway which was broken before it opened then what does that say about the city's priorities at the time? And no other city was doing that either. It was the times. Chicago. That's one, and that was pretty late on, in the late 50's. Where are all the others? As I said, NY was certainly not unique in not building new transit, and focusing almost entirely on road infastructure. NY was the norm rather than the exception, and of course there may always be a few exceptions. Especially a city as rail based as Chicago is, and certainly was. Yes, the city left them to deteriorate because it didn't have any goddamn money because every time the debt limit was raised those funds went off to build roads Yes, and that was not Moses, that was other people that destroyed the BMT and IRT. And yes, money went to roads, but it went to roads almost everywhere else too, again, not unique to NY. The IRT and BMT may have left things in sorry shape, but there's absolutely no reason the city couldn't have fixed them up with the amount of money they recieved in the 1930s and 40s from the federal government. Sure, money that was BROUGHT to NY by Moses. HIGHWAY and road funds that would have went to some other city had not Moses brought it here. It's not like the money would have come here anyway. The issue is not that Moses brought the money here, and brought it for roads, the issue is that there wasn't a similar person lobbying for transit....but then again, there wasn't anyone anywhere lobbying to get money for transit, as opposed to roads. So no, it's not like if Moses had used the money HE GOT to NY for roads/etc, that it would have been used for transit instead. Instead, not only would we would not have gotten it for transit, but we wouldn't have gotten it for road improvement either, as it would have went to some other city for THEIR road projects. It may be an opinion but it's backed up by ample evidence that he was an incredible control freak. I never said he wasn't. That still doesn't get you transit built instead of roads, as the money wouldn't have come here at all. No, you'll only listen to the good side. Never mind that those parks were almost exclusively built in middle class white neighborhoods, despite them costing more money than parks in lower class neighborhoods. Yes, where there was amble vacant land to do so. And there were plenty he did in the city too, what's Flushing Meadows, still an ash dump? Hundreds of new playgrounds in the city for kids. Jamaica Bay Park, about 15 new public pools in the city, and Coney Island also had been widened with more beach sand. Here's a rundown of the parks: http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_about/parks_history/historic_tour/history_robert_moses_modern.html |
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