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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 24 07:13:04 2007, in response to Re: Brooklyn Dodgers (on topic), posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 24 01:31:55 2007. (Must we bring up the issue of General Motors and bus transit?)No we don't, I understand that, but we are not discussing that right now. You can't blame Moses for a trend that was happening ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. It was a thought process that changed the COUNTRY, and Moses was not to blame for that...or is Moses to blame for the loss of the streetcar routes to buses in just about every city in the country too. You are arguing two different things, and blaming Moses for things that were happening (and not happening) everywhere in that era. In fact federal urban policy was in every way all about getting out of the city Yes, I didn't say it wasn't. However, if MOses didn't bring the money here to NY for road/bridge/park/tunnel construction, it's NOT like it would have come here anyway for transit. Isntead it would have went to some other city for THEIR road/bridge project. All of these activities was taking place not only in New York City, but in cities across the country. Robert Moses while a very powerful player in this tale, is just one of the many powerful interests that helped to bring about these changes. Yes, that is all I was saying too, but it would have happened WITH or WITHOUT him. But without a strong figure in the NY metro area, doing the same AS WAS HAPPENING ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, NY would have been left out in the cold, and would not be the HEALTHY city it is today, as it and it's suburbs would be choking on themselves, with no movable roads, no bridges other than the old East River Bridges, and perhaps one other, and could not have grown to where it is today, one of the healthiest cities in the country....with HEALTHY suburbs. Sure, NY has it's problems, but compared to other cities, it and it's suburbs are one of the best off. Why did the Giants move out of New York City? Simple - because it was financially an advantage to do so. The conditions were set in such a way for that to happen. Stadiums need space and frankly space downtown is just too expensive. Yes, I agree with that. But that's not Moses' fault, as some here are trying to blame. He has been used as the scapegoat for just about everything, and that is incorrect. |
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