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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jun 18 13:03:37 2015, in response to Re: M to West 4th on Weekends/Late Nights, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jun 18 00:56:03 2015. Wallyhorse -I admire you for coming up with an idea and sticking with, and supporting that idea in the face of critical debate. As I said before several of your ideas are repeats of ideas that you have brought up in the past, and these ideas fit within your view of transit. I (and others) however, have also said that some of your ideas are problematic. In the past I've noted your tendency in my words - to "tear up the the subway map" in a way that disrupts the travel of plenty of other riders to achieve your aims. Often these ideas provide little benefit overall to the majority of riders, and benefit only a small un-count-able few. In the case of extending the M-train to 145th Street on a regular weekend basis will affect train travel on the A, C, D and F lines. This would involve train switch operations at 145th Street, 59th Street, 34th Street and Essex Street, along with the usual merging of M-trains both to/from the J-line. For decades on the weekends - CPW local station riders needing Sixth Avenue service simply changed trains at 59th Street-Columbus Circle. In the case of extending the M-train to 57th Street-Sixth Avenue on a regular weekend basis will disrupt train travel on the F-line, especially at the 57th Street-Sixth Avenue because there are no other tracks to route trains around when there is trouble. The switch operations near 57th Street, and at Essex Street, along with the usual merging of M-trains both to/from the J-line. In the case of extending the M-train to the West Fourth Street station on a regular weekend basis will disrupt train travel on both the D, F and M trains. As you, Wallyhorse have noted a series of switch operations will have to take place to route D-trains both to/from the express tracks at both 34th Street and at West 4th Street, your M-trains will also have to be switched to/from the local and express tracks, and between the express tracks. These kinds of operations can easily cause disruptions on the D, F and M trains, along with the usual merging of M-trains both to/from the J-line. (I note the history train switch problems at the Brighton Beach-BMT, and 96th Street-IRT subway stations - as the past informing the present or the proposed. Why repeat such mistakes?) I have been reading and keeping up with this entire thread of discussion. I believe that the best thing to do in this case is to terminate the weekend M-trains at Essex/Delancey Streets or better at the Chambers Street stations. This allows M-train riders ample transfers to other lines for trips further on in Manhattan. In addition, the ability or need to transfer at Essex/Delancy Streets has existed for decades - it is a familiar operation on the part of J and M train riders. I believe that there are very few Manhattan-based A, C and E train riders NEEDING to transfer to the Brooklyn portion of the M-train. Using the F-train as the "transfer connector" between these lines has existed for decades for the few riders that need to do so. A strong case could be made for having the weekend M-train end at Chambers Street regularly - allowing easier transfers to/from the J-train, the east-side lines, and the Canal Street complex. There does not seem to be a single trip-type that is completely impossible to accommodate. Again this is another of your proposals that benefit few riders and has the potential to disrupt plenty of other riders. Mike |
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