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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 07:18:48 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 07:09:25 2009. I don't use offensive slurs. I'm not like that. But you are acting totally immature about this. It seems to bother you that a black man got the chair. Not sure why this would bother you.I don't believe this gay act of yours. It's just your way of baiting people to call you names, then you attack them as homophobes or whatever. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 08:47:05 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 31 00:32:39 2009. I looked it up in the case of Maryland; people voted for Ehlrich-Steele in a package, not Steele alone. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 08:54:49 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 00:41:57 2009. Actually, it was a matter of McCain's age and his running mate's social conservatism. I for one feared that Sarah Palin, a social conservative only, would become the President BEFORE the next election because of health problems with McCain. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 31 09:09:42 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 00:44:31 2009. Michael Steele is a political oddball. A black Roman Catholic, conservative Republican who admits he owns NO guns.He was Bob Ehrlich's Lt. Gov, and he was chosen simply as a transparent attempt to attract black voters to a party that has virtually no black members. Maryland is so blue that we only get a Republican in the State House when the Democrats screw up. GOP governors in Maryland post 1965: Sprio T. Agnew and Robert L. Ehrlich. |
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Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jan 31 09:24:47 2009, in response to Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 30 21:28:42 2009. congratulations! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:28:35 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 08:54:49 2009. Liar. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 31 09:29:20 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 08:47:05 2009. That's the way it works. Maryland used to appoint the Speaker of the House of Delegates as Governor if the sitting Governor left the office for any reason. When Agnew resigned after being elected as Nixon's running mate, Marvin Mandel, who was Speaker of the House was appointed by the House to fill the vacancy.It was "happy days are here again" in Maryland as a popular Democrat was in the State House again. Mandel created the office of Lieutenant Governor and with the assent of the voters, it was created. Maryland used the system for electing the Vice President of the US. It's a team. You do not want a situation where the Lieutenant Governor or Vice President is from a different political party as the "boss". |
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Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:30:50 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 31 09:09:42 2009. So he's an oddball for being Catholic and black? I see. I guess he'd be normal if he went to a church like the one Rev. Wright preaches in. |
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Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 09:33:30 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 31 09:09:42 2009. A black Roman Catholic, conservative Republican who admits he owns NO guns.What's so odd? In any urban Roman Catholic parish a significant percentage of the attendees at mass will be black. In northern urban areas even conservatives generally don't own guns. Even in very black areas conservative candidates for office get a moderate portion of the vote, like 15% or 20%. He may not be typical but I wouldn't call him odd. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 09:36:39 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 02:09:48 2009. If your racist statement was true then that means Steele, Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas voted for Obama. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 09:46:05 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 05:58:50 2009. If Colin Powell didn't endorse Obama b/c of skin color, then Steele didn't get elected to the RNC chair due to skin color. There, we're all even.I agree. I see no evidence whatsoever that Powell endorsed Obama because of skin color or that Steele was elected because of skin color. In my uncharitable moments I might even suspect that Steele was elected despite his skin color. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 09:46:16 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Jan 31 09:24:47 2009. You should probably hold for about a year. WHY? Because the GOP needs fiscal conservatism too to win back critical areas, and the Senate Democrats have already wised up. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 09:47:47 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 05:58:50 2009. Actually, I would argue that Steele was probably the best available person for the job of those who wanted it, even if he was never elected (Dan Lawrence---who lives in MD---confirmed that fact).However, it may not be enough. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 09:49:06 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 06:51:10 2009. I don't believe that he was a product of his race. I do believe that he was the best of those who wanted the job, which should speak volumes about those who wanted the job. |
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Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 31 09:55:25 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jan 30 23:54:58 2009. And just so everyone knows, he got this position based on merit, not skin color.Sure, if you want to repeat that to yourself often enough. Each party is quick to take the "race card" or "sex card" out of the other party. For example, after Clarence Thomas played the race card before the Democratic-controlled Senate Judiciary Committee, complaining of an "uppity high tech lynching", Democrats put a woman on the Judiciary Committee, Dianne Feinstein. The RNC is doing a similar thing. They want to attack Obama as vigorously as possible without Obama's surrogates being able to make race card responses. Steele was no success in actual elections. The simple fact is that the RNC was still smarting over the "Barack, the Magic Negro" nonsense (I don't see the big deal about that, myself), and Steele's opponent Katon Dawson was clearly better qualified, given how he has managed the GOP in SC. It's just that Dawson wasn't eligible because the RNC is looking for two things, (1) a black man (to take away the race card), (2) who is not from a so called "red state" (to challenge the view that the GOP is fast becoming a regional party). That said, congratulations to Mr. Steele. He has a lot of work ahead of him trying to rebuild the party, and I hope that he succeeds, I hope that other viable parties spring up, and a hundred flowers bloom, because competition is a great thing in politics. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:56:03 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 09:36:39 2009. Steele knows better. As for Rice and Thomas, well.................................speak to Easy.Nothing racist about my statement. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:01:27 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AlM on Sat Jan 31 09:46:05 2009. RNC knows they need someone who can make the media rounds and reach large numbers of viewing. Previous chairman was so invisible, you'd think he was in the Witness Protection Program. It was about Steele's charisma, and strength in the media. I don't even see his skin color when he speaks. He's just another conservative to me. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:02:59 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 09:47:47 2009. Elected to what? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:04:41 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 31 09:55:25 2009. Who do you think should've won? Steele was already a media personality on Fox News, and is a great speaker. He has charisma. He glues me to the tv when he's on. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:25:45 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:02:59 2009. Elected to any position in government. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:27:35 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:04:41 2009. Steele was the best in what has to be a mediocre crop. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:44:24 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:25:45 2009. That's not a requirement for RNC chairman. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 31 10:45:04 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:04:41 2009. Who do you think should've won?Of the candidates in the field, Dawson seemed to be ahead of the rest. He is not as well known as Steele, but results count. Steele, after all, couldn't manage his own campaign, while Dawson was actually a successful manager in SC. The Chairman's job should be to field successful candidates in as many races as possible. The most successful chairman in recent memory for either party was the quite underrated Howard Dean. He was strongly disliked by the DC big bucks fundraising crew (Pelosi, Reid, Kerry, Schumer, etc.), but he nonetheless managed a party that became increasingly competitive all around the country, did the right thing by allowing the Democratic primary race to be a real competition instead of anointing a candidate. If you look at Dawson's record in SC, he strikes me as what the RNC needed to become competitive: someone who can pick winners and get them the resources to succeed. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 10:46:09 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 07:18:48 2009. rotflmao. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:46:12 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:44:24 2009. However...that his counterpart is a sitting Governor (Tim Kaine of VA) means that he can say Do as I say---and as how I do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 10:46:15 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:27:35 2009. It was mediocre. No one would even be able to name anynoe he was competing against b/c they were a bunch of unknowns. Current chairman is an unknown. Steele is well-known thanks to his regular appearances on tv and radio. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 31 10:57:19 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 10:46:12 2009. However...that his counterpart is a sitting Governor (Tim Kaine of VA) means that he can say Do as I say---and as how I do.I actually think that was the wrong move by Obama. There should be no arguing with success, and it is simply undeniable that Dean - even though he was constantly undercut and criticized by the DC crew - including Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel, who had his career handed to him on a silver platter, and didn't have to work his way up the ranks - actually succeeded in implementing that 50 state strategy that the so-called wise men (Pelosi, Emanuel, Schumer, Kerry, Reid, etc.) thought so unwise. Dean was a very good manager, saw first time donations to the party skyrocket, and he also showed that he knew how to govern in office (Dean balanced budgets, lowered tax burdens, and expanded healthcare). |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:01:36 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:28:35 2009. Nice just 'cause someone doesn't agree with you, you label them a liar. Very TS like. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:06:03 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 09:49:06 2009. Don't get me wrong, he's probably very well qualified but I believe the RNC elected him to be their token. "look we have a black man running our organization". There's something inherently wrong about a republican black anyway. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Jan 31 11:08:49 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:06:03 2009. There's something inherently wrong about a republican black anyway.Why? |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:18:47 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:56:03 2009. You are truly a man with a paper backside, as my father used to say. You never answer for your own deluded statemants it's always...."ask this guy, ask that guy, listen to this guy", yada yada yada. You would do well to develoy your own opinions and grow a spine. You disgust me, Luchbot.LuchAAA*s photo: 
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 11:20:12 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:06:03 2009. You're so ignorant sometimes. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 11:21:20 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:06:03 2009. I don't see anything wrong with it. However, the GOP is still smelling the rear of their counterparts. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 11:26:14 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 11:18:47 2009. That's probably how you get yourself off. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 11:58:59 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 09:56:03 2009. Why do I need to speak to Easy? As we know all three are Black people and as you've stated many times.... Blacks vote based on race. So, based on your theory, although Steele "knows better" he would've voted for Obama.If your statement is not racist, then why don't you go around a bunch of blacks and repeat it a few times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 12:07:24 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 11:58:59 2009. "bunch of blacks"? LOL. That does not sound right. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 31 12:14:03 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Parkchester (East 177th St) on Fri Jan 30 23:43:07 2009. That shouldn't be too hard. Steele is used to having racist mud thrown at him from liberal Democrats, particularly black ones. And his job of selling conservative ideas to the masses is eased by the fact that they really work, and that liberal economic policies ALWAYS fail. It's a matter of waiting for the right moment. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 31 12:17:06 2009, in response to COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 05:39:38 2009. Actually, Powell is a buffoon. I'm so glad he decided not to run in '96. I want the first black president to be a failed Democrat, not a phony Republican (a la our wonderful mayor). Powell is a perfect example of why the GOP needs leaders of substance, not racial/ethnic tokens. I hope Steele is the former, not the latter. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:17:21 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 31 12:14:03 2009. That won't be Steele's biggest problem at all by any measure. The big problem wit selling conservative ideas is the mistrust of the Republican brand after having sold out, and the fact that the Southern Democrats are picking off dissatisfied social conservatives.All you need to know is that in the Senate, a Democrat (Ben Nelson) was the first to take issue with what the House passed. Mitch McConnell needed to be the first, but he is now seen as a follower. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:18:34 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:17:21 2009. Correction: the Southern Democrats/Blue Dogs are picking off the dissatisfied FISCAL conservatives, leaving the pure-play social conservatives behind for the Republicans.This is why the Republicans will fall farther behind in Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Colorado. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:19:16 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 31 12:17:06 2009. Colin Powell would not fit in today's GOP; he would have fit into the GOP of Bush 41. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 12:20:59 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:18:34 2009. Changing demographis and attitudes is the reason. We're becoming a minority majority nation. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:35:40 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 12:20:59 2009. The Democrat that won in a landslide in Virgnia, however, is a moderate (Mark Warner, no relation to Republican predecessor John Warner). So is Jim Webb.Same thing in North Carolina, a moderate Democrat (Kay Hagan unseated someone who must have been with the religious right (see Godless and Elizabeth Dole). Liberal Democrats don't win in these states. Also in North Carolina, after McCain chose Palin, McCain would cough up a 12-point lead and lose. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 12:36:51 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 11:20:12 2009. True, but you are ignorant ALL the time. LOL. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 12:38:15 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 11:26:14 2009. Thanks for proving my point, yet again. |
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Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 31 12:38:21 2009, in response to Re: COLIN POWEL (WAS: Michael Steele something or other), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jan 31 12:19:16 2009. Not even. He's a Democrat in a military uniform. Once he took off the uniform, he ceased to be useful or helpful. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 12:55:13 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jan 31 12:07:24 2009. Whatever dude. I'm sure you understand exactly what I saying. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sat Jan 31 13:03:06 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jan 31 12:55:13 2009. I seriously doubt it, lately. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 31 14:11:34 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Easy on Sat Jan 31 01:57:16 2009. How should he be rightly guided? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jan 31 14:52:31 2009, in response to Re: Michael Steele elected as first black RNC chairman, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 31 14:11:34 2009. Now he'll be misguiding. |
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