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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:27:08 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:34:35 2016.

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That seems to be your entire vocabulary. I am right and you are wrong. Get a life!

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 08:36:12 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:27:08 2016.

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Functionally speaking, little more is required when dealing with people as delusional and dishonest as yourself.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:38:52 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Tue Apr 19 22:27:31 2016.

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Your 207 feet does not include having to now cross Avenue Z. The MTA measured it at 260 feet.

Okay I left out a signal and it is true that it is the turns that add time, but considering all that, buses are only delayed a minute or two the most, worthwhile considering the added benefit which was why the turn was put in in the first place and the MTA has not had any problems or complaints with it in 38 years.

Everyone getting off the B36 going westbound would have to cross the street twice. First at Avenue Z and again at Sheepshead Bay Road. One minute to walk and a possible one minute waiting for both traffic lights to change.

I took videos yesterday of the buses turning during the evening rush hour and there is no traffic congestion there whatsoever. After traffic is rerouted to Avenue Z, there will be even more cars there and the buses will travel slower.

It wil, not be faster if the bus went straight on Avenue Z because of the resulting increased traffic. It will also be slower for transferring passengers. You are wrong on both counts.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:41:19 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 20 01:23:04 2016.

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Even if you miss the bus or train only one out of 20 times, it is still a negative that outweighs any slight positive of gaining one minute. Since the bus usually runs more often than every 20 minutes, you will miss it more often.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 09:09:09 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 08:36:12 2016.

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Thank you.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 09:11:21 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:27:08 2016.

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That seems to be your entire vocabulary. I am right and you are wrong. Get a life!
What does it matter what my vocabulary is if in fact I am right and you are wrong, as is the case here? Why can't you address the actual issue? You posted something ridiculous and I asked you a question about it. Why can't you answer? I know why. Because you know you're wrong.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 09:33:51 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 08:38:52 2016.

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"Your 207 feet does not include having to now cross Avenue Z. The MTA measured it at 260 feet."
I was measuring the increase in distance.

"Okay I left out a signal"
Yes.

" and it is true that it is the turns that add time,"
Yes.

"but considering all that, buses are only delayed a minute or two the most,"
Blatantly false.

"worthwhile considering the added benefit which was why the turn was put in in the first place"
There is no added benefit.

"and the MTA has not had any problems or complaints with it in 38 years."
False. It has been a problem for 38 years.

"Everyone getting off the B36 going westbound would have to cross the street twice. First at Avenue Z and again at Sheepshead Bay Road. One minute to walk and a possible one minute waiting for both traffic lights to change."
But two minutes ends up taking less time than the ridiculously routed bus. Eastbound isn't as bad, but it is less of a walk. And all of that leaves out the fact that MOST PEOPLE aren't even making that walk!

"I took videos yesterday of the buses turning during the evening rush hour and there is no traffic congestion there whatsoever."
LOL. Again, a single instance does not make a trend. And based on your prior attempts to show videos, I doubt it will in fact show what you are stating!

"After traffic is rerouted to Avenue Z, there will be even more cars there and the buses will travel slower."
No. Turning is what ends up causing more traffic and lowering speed. How you still don't get this is mind boggling.

"It wil, not be faster if the bus went straight on Avenue Z because of the resulting increased traffic."
No. It will be faster. A LOT faster.

"It will also be slower for transferring passengers."
No. It will be faster too. Admittedly not nearly as much as for people remaining on the bus.

"You are wrong on both counts."
No. (see above)

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 11:00:53 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 09:33:51 2016.

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The videos show exactly what I stated that there is no traffic where DOT claims there is and very severe traffic that DOT is doing nothing about. But you have your mind made up before you see them that it is only a one time occurrence and therefore invalid. How interesting?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 11:02:27 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016.

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These are all unedited videos taken within 30 minutes during the evening rush hour in Sheepshead Bay on Tuesday April 19, 2016. Please watch them all especially the last one in its entirety. They speak for themselves.

E 15 St traffic video

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2581&authkey=!ALsJktdXsM_CTjk&ithint=video%2cMOV

Portion of Sheepshead Bay Road to be made a one way.

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2589&authkey=!AOFB6lU72XN-2sg&ithint=video%2cMOV

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2587&authkey=!AP-U8FKID_CkS7Y&ithint=video%2cMOV

Avenue Z Traffic

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2590&authkey=!AKH5SBFmd13c-5Q&ithint=video%2cMOV

Voorhies Avenue Traffic

https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=16B101054C13A9CB!2591&authkey=!AJt-qKRbqN_qjZ0&ithint=video%2cMOV


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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 11:41:13 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 11:02:27 2016.

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"These are all unedited videos taken within 30 minutes during the evening rush hour in Sheepshead Bay on Tuesday April 19, 2016. Please watch them all especially the last one in its entirety. They speak for themselves."
Ok. What is the exact time each is taken?

"E 15 St traffic video"
Clearly demonstrates the pedestrian conflicts caused by vehicles turning from 15th to av Z. This will be fixed by the new plan.

"Portion of Sheepshead Bay Road to be made a one way."
1: Demonstrates poor videography. Also makes it clear this is not functional as a two way street as the cab decides to make a u-turn
2: Demonstrates both that SBR does not function well as a two way street, clearly shows the terrible signal there. Furthermore shows how the B36 is clearly being delayed by this absurd diversion.

Avenue Z Traffic
A reasonable amount of traffic. Demonstrates the need for this project!

"Voorhies Avenue Traffic"
Not a relevant location to this change.

Yes, your videos have yet again demonstrated you have no idea what you are talking about. (and yet again, they have given me motion sickness.)


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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 11:42:52 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 11:00:53 2016.

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You don't have to watch a video to know that it is showing a one time occurrence. That is what videos do- show one time occurrences.

But the more important thing is that yet again, your videos disprove your point.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:37:08 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 11:42:52 2016.

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A video of someone being murdered is also a one time occurrence. Does that mean it never happened? The traffic situation at Voorhies Av and East 18th Street occurs everyday. Do I have to post another video everyday to prove my point?

How about you proving these are one time and not repetitive occurrences?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:41:47 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 11:41:13 2016.

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Does the exact time of each video really matter? They are all embedded in the videos but why should I even bother checking when you already have your mind made up they are meaningless? They were taken in the order they were posted and were taken approximately between 5:30 and 6 PM without me checking exactly.

Voorhies Avenue is extremely relevent because DOT is claiming one of the purposes of this study is to reduce traffic congestion in Sheepshead Bay. The videos show that the congestion exists on streets DOT is ignoring and doesn't exist where they claim it is do awful.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:42:14 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016.

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We are in Brooklyn Daily.

http://www.brooklyndaily.com/stories/2016/17/bn-the-new-sheepshead-bay-road-2016-04-22-bk.html

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 20 12:50:50 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016.

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nearly 5,000 daily B36 passengers would no longer be able to get on and off adjacent to the Station, but now would have to walk an extra 270 feet in both directions and cross an additional street during all sorts of weather.

East 15th Street will be "pedestrian only" and 270 feet is less than half the length of an IND subway platform. It may be an inconvenience to disabled customers, yes but the MTA should consider taking over the stores on the north side of Sheepshead Bay Road and build a new entrance/exit. For most people, 270 feet is nothing - - how many customers live 270 feet from a subway entrance or bus stop?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 12:54:58 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:37:08 2016.

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Do I have to post another video everyday to prove my point?
No, just videos of a representative sample of days. How do you not know this???

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:02:58 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:42:14 2016.

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The plan to reroute traffic and buses in Sheepshead Bay is asinine and makes no sense at all.”
LOL! Just because you don't understand the plan and/or are analyzing/interpreting it incorrectly DOESN'T MEAN IT'S ASININE! You actually have to SHOW why it is asinine and you have not done so. In fact, all of your points have been shot down by R30A.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:08:09 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 08:36:12 2016.

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Birds of a feather flock together. You and Terrapin a perfect pair.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:09:54 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 09:11:21 2016.

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Keep going. It won't get you anywhere because I know it is not possible to have an intelligent discussion with you so I won't waste my time trying. Lord knows how many times I tried, all to no avail.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:11:54 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 12:54:58 2016.

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Because I see the traffic at Voorhies and East 18th everyday and once got caught up in it so I no longer use that block. After I took the video I warned two drivers not to turn into that street and both thanked me and continued straight on Jerome.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:15:02 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:02:58 2016.

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If you looked at the petition at Change. Org, the case is laid out very clearly. Don't try to add your negative comments there because I have the power to delete anything you say that I don't like.

And I suppose the entire community misunderstands the plan as well.

And I have refuted every one of R30A's points.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:20:16 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Apr 20 12:50:50 2016.

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I agree that 270 feet is not much. But the point really isn't the extra distance or time which only amounts to a minute or two. The point is that two minutes is enough for you to miss your connection adding 20 minutes to your trip and the DOT change is totally unnecessary because it will make the street more dangerous not safer by adding 5,000 new pedestrian crossings and more vehicular conflcts at East 17 and Avenue Z by increasing the numbers of turning vehicles there being displaced from East 15 St.

As the videos I posted show there is no congestion to warrant a one-way conversion and where there is severe congestion a few blocks away, DOT is ignoring and did not include in this study.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:26:21 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 19 20:03:23 2016.

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Yes. What it shows was they were afraid of a lawsuit because I had evidence from 20 other employees that they were getting sick as well. In fact one of my employees who also has asthma had severe coughing attacks on the job where his entire head would turn a dark shade of purple. He told me his asthma has not bothered him until he started working in East New York. In fact he died four years later at age 56 from those problems.

I was also glad to be transferred. I didn't care about being demoted. My health was more important to me and I am still glad I made that choice because I might not be here today if I chose my career over my health. I never should have been put in that position in the first place.

Yes it does speak volumes that the MTA cared more about not getting sued than fixing a health problem so its employees would not have to suffer.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:27:28 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:08:09 2016.

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Right. We're both correct when you're wrong.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:28:07 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:09:54 2016.

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What does it matter how hard you try if in fact I am right and you are wrong, as is the case here? Why can't you address the actual issue? You posted something ridiculous and I asked you a question about it. Why can't you answer? I know why. Because you know you're wrong.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:28:11 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:33:35 2016.

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My boss said to me, "It's easier to transfer you and your staff than to fix the air quality problem."

What is so difficult to understand?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:28:38 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:11:54 2016.

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What does that have to do with my previous post?????????????

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:31:05 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:15:02 2016.

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If you looked at the petition at Change. Org, the case is laid out very clearly.
LOL! I seriously doubt that! Why don't you just post it here too?

Don't try to add your negative comments there because I have the power to delete anything you say that I don't like.
LOL! How democratic! Stifle opposing views! Deliver a petition that only contains exactly what you want it to say even though you make grand claims!

And I suppose the entire community misunderstands the plan as well.
I have no idea. But if they trust even one word of what you write, then they are misunderstanding things right off the bat.

And I have refuted every one of R30A's points.
Nope. You TRIED, but FAILED, to refute them.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:32:21 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:26:21 2016.

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LOL! Why didn't you sue them anyhow????

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:34:25 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:28:11 2016.

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You don't have to reorganize a department when you transfer them to a different location.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 13:52:05 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:37:08 2016.

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I believe you that it does, however you have not proven such.

But there is no reason whatsoever why traffic at Voorhies and 18th makes this a bad plan.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 13:55:02 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 12:41:47 2016.

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"Does the exact time of each video really matter?"
Yes.

"They are all embedded in the videos but why should I even bother checking when you already have your mind made up they are meaningless?"
Because such is relevant to your point.

"They were taken in the order they were posted and were taken approximately between 5:30 and 6 PM without me checking exactly."
Thank you.

"Voorhies Avenue is extremely relevent because DOT is claiming one of the purposes of this study is to reduce traffic congestion in Sheepshead Bay. The videos show that the congestion exists on streets DOT is ignoring and doesn't exist where they claim it is do awful."
Who is saying DOT is ignoring them? Just because a problem is easily solved in one location does not mean that it can be easily solved elsewhere.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 13:57:42 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 13:15:02 2016.

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"If you looked at the petition at Change. Org, the case is laid out very clearly."
No it is not.

"Don't try to add your negative comments there because I have the power to delete anything you say that I don't like."
Yes, deleting those who disprove you is a sure indication of an honest argument.

"And I suppose the entire community misunderstands the plan as well."
No. Only those who you have mislead into being against it.

"And I have refuted every one of R30A's points."
I don't believe you ever have refuted a conceptual point I have made. I can recall one instance where you successfully refuted an example. But I am nitpicking against myself here...

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:01:44 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 17 19:31:17 2016.

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There is also something very wrong at the Boards. I was told the Transportation committee overwhelmingly was against the plan but at the same time refused to let the entire Board take a vote. How do you figure that?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:06:37 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:34:25 2016.

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The department was only 12 people. You can't transfer people to a different location and have them report to no one. They have to be put somewhere within the organizational structure. . It also makes no sense to have the boss in another location miles away where frequent trips would be required. Combining Surface and Rapid Planning was the only logical choice. The point is that if the incident I described did not occur the transfer may have occurred years later or not at all.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:07:25 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:27:28 2016.

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But I am always wrong according to you.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:08:08 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:28:07 2016.

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Just keep talking to yourself. No one is listening.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:09:52 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:28:38 2016.

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I did post a representative sample day. But as many as I would post would not be representative enough for you.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:12:27 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 13:31:05 2016.

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Why post it here? The arguments were already summarized here but you chose not to debate any of the points, but only to attack without any basis.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:15:51 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Wed Apr 20 13:55:02 2016.

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But there is no problem where they claim there is one. The videos clearly show empty streets where the DOT claims there is such severe congestion that change is warranted immediately. They don't even want to do a six month test so that data can be collected and evaluated. They intend to start pouring concrete within a month to ensure the changes cannot be reversed. That is clearly dictatorial, arrogant and irresponsible.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:16:55 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 19:37:03 2016.

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But no one knows more than you.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 14:17:42 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:07:25 2016.

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Nope. Almost always wrong.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:17:59 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Sun Apr 17 22:51:01 2016.

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A solution in search of a problem.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 14:18:09 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:08:08 2016.

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What does it matter if I talk to myself if in fact I am right and you are wrong, as is the case here? Why can't you address the actual issue? You posted something ridiculous and I asked you a question about it. Why can't you answer? I know why. Because you know you're wrong.


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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 14:19:28 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:09:52 2016.

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That's not what I said. I said a representative sample of days.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 20 14:35:26 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:06:37 2016.

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If you were the head of bus planning while sitting at ENY, why couldn't you be the head of bus planning while sitting at JAY ST?

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 15:00:41 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:12:27 2016.

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Why post it here?
Because you are referencing it.

but you chose not to debate any of the points, but only to attack without any basis.
Huh? R30A has adequately addressed your points. I have not attacked you.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 15:01:14 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 14:16:55 2016.

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But no one knows more than you.
Your words, not mine. I'm flattered though.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 16:43:56 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 20 14:35:26 2016.

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Because they wanted one person to head both subways and buses and the other guy had seniority. For me to keep the position, they would have had to hire a third person to be director of Operations Planning to supervise him for Subways and me for Buses. It was cheaper for him to head both and for me to be in charge of Brooklyn beneath him since there were others now studying the other boroughs.

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Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Apr 20 17:38:05 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 20 16:43:56 2016.

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Because they wanted one person to head both subways and buses and the other guy had seniority.
Well that had nothing necessarily to do with whether you were in ENY or JAY.

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