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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016 Appeal to MTA Board to postpone rerouting of the B36 from April 24th.Below is the testimony I will be giving Monday at the MTA. Please try to your best to attend the MTA Board meeting Monday April 18th at 2 Broadway in the 20th floor Conference Room at 10 AM. If DOT and the MTA do not agree to postpone this plan it will set a very bad precedent that DOT can do whatever it wants to without any community involvement when they believe the issue involves safety even if everyone opposes the plan as is the case here. Postpone B36 Rerouting Allan Rosen 4/18/16 BrooklynBus@Verizon.net My name is Allan Rosen, former director of MTA NYCT Bus Planning. I am here to speak out against the plan to reroute the B36 in front of Sheepshead Bay Station beginning April 24th as a result of traffic changes DOT intends to make. This plan was presented last June to Community Board #15 and was wholeheartedly rejected. Now ten months later it is going through. This is because Mayor DeBlasio has given DOT approval to ignore communities if they believe safety is involved. Yet this plan will make street conditions more dangerous for pedestrians, not safer as well as harming bus passengers. I realize the MTA has no choice in this matter other than to support DOT by lying to the public since the NYC DOT Commissioner is also on the MTA Board. So let us discuss how the MTA is lying. First, there is no severe congestion in front of the subway entrance. The congestion occurs on Sheepshead Bay Road between Jerome Avenue and Voorhies Avenue, a block ignored by DOT's proposal. All bus turning movements create conflicts between vehicles and pedestrians. B36 turns are no different. I quote from the MTA Staff Summary: ?The modified bus route would create quicker and more reliable service.? Quicker for the MTA but slower for the bus passenger. Let me explain: We need to improve public transit, not make it more inconvenient. Under DOT's plan, nearly 5,000 daily B36 passengers would no longer be able to get on and off adjacent to the Station, but now would have to walk an extra 270 feet in both directions and cross an additional street during all sorts of weather, while cabs will be permitted to pick up and discharge passengers right in front of the station. This will only encourage a greater use of taxis further increasing traffic congestion. How could 5,000 additional daily pedestrian crossings at Sheepshead Bay Road or Avenue Z make the streets safer for pedestrians? It just isn't possible and defies all logic. Similarly, the intersection of East 17th Street and Avenue Z will also become more dangerous because the numbers of vehicles turning there will increase by 25 percent. Every car now turning left from East 15th Street onto Avenue Z will have to make that turn instead at East 17th Street greatly increasing traffic congestion on Avenue Z between East 15th Street and East 17th Streets as well as northbound on Sheepshead Bay Road. Closing East 15th Street and turning Sheepshead Bay Road into a one-way will only move traffic from Sheepshead Bay Road to Avenue Z and from East 15th Street to East 17th Street making the streets more congested and dangerous. The B36 was designed in 1978 to dip down to the subway station in both directions for a reason, to better serve bus passengers. I should know because I was the one who designed that bus route. I convinced the MTA that the current route was better than simply having the route travel straight along Avenue Z since roughly half the passengers from each bus all day long get on or off at Sheepshead Bay Station. To have all these people walk extra distances might make the difference between them catching or missing a bus or train, possibly adding ten or 20 minutes to their trip. Bus and subway travel times need to be shortened not increased. DOT should not be allowed to do whatever they please without adequate justification or notice to communities, merchants and bus passengers. When the Manhattan Beach Community Group asked DOT to explain the changes last week to their group when first learning about them, DOT refused and was plain nasty about it according to the group?s president. DOT needs to prove how the streets will become safer, not merely allege that will be the case. They need to prove that traffic taken away from Sheepshead Bay Road will not merely be moved to Avenue Z and show how traffic volumes at Avenue Z and East 17th Street will be affected. The communities, merchants and elected officials are all opposed to DOT?s plan and are trying to get this April 24th implementation date postponed until this plan is discussed with communities and their questions answered. We do not live in a dictatorship or so I thought. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 09:50:38 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016. WTF? Why should anyone listen to you? You're almost always completely wrong. You have no clue about the world or what's going on around you. You're a massive failure. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 17 11:14:24 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016. The NYCDOT basically can do whatever it wants. What are the local elected reps position on this issue? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:33:56 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 09:50:38 2016. GFY. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:35:20 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 17 11:14:24 2016. Sen. Marty Golden wrote a letter. We are trying to get others involved. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:39:36 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 17 11:14:24 2016. The one to blame is de Blasio, not Trottenberg. Several months ago, he directed her to ignore communities if DOT believes pedestrian safety issues are involved. It all goes back to Vision Zero. The problem is that DOT's proposal increases pedestrian dangers, not reduce it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 13:47:08 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:39:36 2016. Because YOU know better than everyone at DOT, right? LOL! Fat chance, buster! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 13:47:21 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:35:20 2016. LOL! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 13:47:57 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:33:56 2016. Make me, loser. |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Apr 17 14:36:00 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 12:39:36 2016. Vision Zero is applied selectively. We can't even get the NYCDOT to do traffic studies for new Traffic Signals at dangerous S.I. intersections or left turn signals at existing locations.Right now on SI only two new signals scheduled for installation: CASTLETON AVENUE & CONYINGHAM AVENUE GRAHAM AVENUE & VICTORY BOULEVARD |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 15:17:05 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016. ["DOT should not be allowed to do whatever they please without adequate justification or notice...."]That's how traffic engineers operate. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 15:47:26 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 13:47:08 2016. Everyone who lives in the community, the merchants and bus riders to all know better than DOT. Remember, they don't even know how to spell "Glossary." They think it is " GLOSSERY". |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 15:51:22 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Dan on Sun Apr 17 14:36:00 2016. And they worst part they just have knee jerk reactions. Someone is killed so you ban a parking space because you don't want to put in a new traffic signal although banning the space has nothing to do with safety. They just wanted to show they did something. Someone is killed, so you ban the bus turn but add hundreds of cars turning.They need to evaluate all the conditions together and apply Vision Zero to the most serious conditions, not to the one generating the biggest headlines. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 15:55:56 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 15:17:05 2016. Wrong. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 16:11:50 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 15:55:56 2016. In my experience, traffic engineers look down on community groups, pedestrians, and buses. If they say that the street should be closed off and the buses sent elsewhere, then everybody must accept their word as gospel. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Apr 17 18:42:11 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 16:11:50 2016. Much of the time, I can't necessarily say I blame them. On a technical issue like traffic engineering, a lot of the the people have no background, and aren't open-minded enough to learn what goes into the decision, so you'll hear a lot of ignorant comments.However, I will say that there are times when the community is right, and when they bring up a valid point, it should be taken into consideration. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 19:04:32 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Apr 17 18:42:11 2016. I agree, but again this is all deBlasio's fault. He gave the go ahead to DOT to ignore communities. I hope voters remember that at re-election time. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 17 19:25:40 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 09:50:38 2016. Well...I CERTAINLY would be impressed if You could give a better solution.So far,you Have impressed me substantially by displaying the ability to string several eords together to make a complete sentence! Yeah yeah...we Know you hsd help with the flowery stuff,but its the EFFORT that gets you High marks! Keep up the good work! |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 17 19:31:17 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 19:04:32 2016. the DOT gets to ignore communities because the community boards have less power than a dead hearing aid battery...Queens CB 5 has been pushing, for the last several years, to end the four day street fair on Fresh Pond Road that takes place yearly around Labor Day. the city has completely ignored them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 19:37:03 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 15:47:26 2016. A few may know better. But not all of them. And certainly not you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 19:38:38 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Apr 17 18:42:11 2016. Excellent post! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 17 19:40:01 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 16:11:50 2016. We do no such thing, at least not on an institutional basis. |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 19:59:29 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016. ["My name is Allan Rosen, former director of MTA NYCT Bus Planning."] You're still hitting people over the head with a job you held for six months — 35 years ago. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 17 21:20:28 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sun Apr 17 19:59:29 2016. ...And I can see why he had it for six months... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 21:20:33 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 17 19:31:17 2016. Indeed. That street fair brings chaos felt all the way to Flushing.The Q58 is a heavy ridership route subject to traffic delays under normal conditions. That detour to Forest Ave. just makes things so much worse. The only ones who are in favor of that 4 night fair are the organizers. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 22:44:17 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by The Silence on Sun Apr 17 21:20:28 2016. No you can't because you don't know the story. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Apr 17 22:51:01 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 17 19:25:40 2016. The DOT already came up with a solution. That is why they are implementing it. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 23:27:24 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 22:44:17 2016. Because politics ruledvat 370 Jay St.?Just like it still ruledvat 130 Livingston; 130 Livingston; 2 Broadway; 347 Madison. Did I leave any out? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 18 07:11:22 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Sun Apr 17 22:51:01 2016. Owned!!! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 18 13:06:12 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 22:44:17 2016. No you can't because you don't know the story.Yes we can, because you've told us the story! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 17:25:59 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 17 23:27:24 2016. No it wasn't politics. It was because NYCT did not care about its employees to provide them with a healthy working environment at the East New York Depot. Rather than cleaning up hazardous air quality as determined by OSHA, they chose instead to transfer and demote me by combining bus planning and Rapid Transit Operations Planning into a new department called Operations Planning. Bet you thought the department was created for better functionality or that it always existed. But that wasn't the case. How do I know this? My boss told me. He said it's easier to transfer you to Jay Street than to clean up the air. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 17:27:04 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Apr 18 13:06:12 2016. Not everyone here reads every single post on BusChat like you do. Excuse me for keeping others informed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 18 18:34:00 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 17:27:04 2016. How were you keeping them informed with that post?? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 21:50:50 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 18 18:34:00 2016. I am not engaging in ridiculous conversations with you. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 21:51:17 2016, in response to Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Apr 17 08:10:47 2016. Today at the NYCT Committee Meeting The public session was scheduled to begin at 10 AM but they kept the public waiting until 10:30. Not even an apology was offered. One member thought they actually were 7 minutes early, rather than 30 minutes late. Any wonder they can't run the trains and buses on time? They only allowed two minutes to each speaker although there only were eight of us, and they started ringing the warning bell after only one minute and the microphone barely worked. I was not able to get through my three minute speech and was constantly asked to wrap it up. (Two speakers came to oppose the Queens bus route changes.) Board Member Andrew Albert asked Operations Planning Director Peter Cafiero if the B36 change is contingent on DOT's proposed changes and if those changes do not happen would the MTA still make the route change to the B36? Cafiero responded that they still believe it is a good idea because it provides better more direct service for through passengers. Albert asked what about the extra distances people will have to walk that they don't walk now. Cafiero then responded that the extra distance is no greater than the distances that passengers currently have to be walk to other bus routes. Those distances are unavoidable, but this increase in walking distances and additional street crossings are unnecessary. So in other words, Cafiero sees no reason for one route to have better service to the subway than the other routes where people already have to walk a block to the subway. The MTA had the perfect out here. All they had to say was the route changes result from DOT's plan and therefore are unavoidable. Instead, the MTA took responsibility and stated they believe the changes are good ideas anyway, but did not answer Albert's question whether or not they would implement them without DOT's traffic changes. I don't believe they will (and if they do it will be reversed as it once was in 1978) if DOT does not implement its traffic change plan. So let us analyze why Cafiero believes the route change is beneficial to MTA riders. (I already showed in my testimony how it is detrimental to bus riders.) Cafiero stated the change simplifies the route. True, but in this case is route simplification is not warranted. Cafiero also stated that the change will save through riders some time. Also, a true statement. However, in typical MTA fashion, the statement is misleading because it only tells the part of the story the MTA wants you to hear. As I testified, half the B36 bus passengers get on or off at Sheepshead Bay Station. according to the MTA's own numbers, it is the sixth highest bus subway transfer point in Brooklyn. The number of minutes saved by through passengers by the route change would be no greater than one or two minutes depending on if the bus makes or misses the green signals. The number of minutes missed would be much greater, not to mention the possibility of increased accidents with vehicles and other pedestrians as passengers will now run to catch a bus or train when that was not necessary when the walk was much shorter or non-existent. The additional minutes needed by transferring passengers will more than offset the minute or two saved by the same number of through passengers. Not to mention if the extra walk requires you to miss a bus or train, your trip time could increase by as much as 20 minutes. Therefore, Cafiero's conclusion is erroneous that this change is beneficial to the passengers. Also, this isn't the first time his department, Operations Planning has rendered erroneous conclusions. At the time of the 2010 service cutbacks, the Department measured walking distances as the crow flies assuming bus passengers could walk through buildings and highways and presented unrealistic alternatives to the bus services being eliminated. We were successful in getting the B4 restored through reasoned arguments. Let us hope that strategy will work again. However, as long as Cafiero is taking responsibility for this ludicrous change which everyone opposes, except perhaps taxi drivers who are the only ones to benefit from it, now is the time for Cafiero's reign as Director of Operations Planning to end. The MTA and DOT need to become responsive and responsible. Postponing this DOT change until there is adequate discussion would be a first step. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 18 22:19:29 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 21:50:50 2016. Yes you are. You posted something ridiculous and I asked you a question about it. Why can't you answer? I know why. Because you know you're wrong. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Apr 19 00:32:31 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 21:51:17 2016. Hmm roughly 200 feet on foot, vs putting the bus through a number of additional light cycles, conflicting with crossing pedestrians. This won't only make it faster for thru bus riders. This will make it faster for SUBWAY TO BUS riders as the average person would be able to walk it in the amount of time it takes to get the bus through the absurd detour it takes today. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 19 15:55:53 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 17:25:59 2016. Actually, the concept of combining bus and subway planning and scheduling was created for better functionality and coordination between the departments of buses and subways. In the late 1970s, when I first went into rapid transit scheduling, I worked briefly on a project to try and improve connections between buses and trains at locations where bus routes served as feeders to subway lines such as Flatbush/Nostrand, Sheepshead Bay, and 205 St/Concourse just to name a few. At the time both TA and OA bus schedules were located at the old FACCO 132 St Depot in Manhattan before moving to ENY. Unfortunately. nothing came of that attempt and nothing was done until the Gunn/Kiley administration took over the MTA and decided to change the entire management structure of the NYCTA by eliminating the last tier that existed between supervision and management and create more levels of management which included the establishment of an operating Planning Dept which was supposed to assist in coordinating the operations of bot the Dept of Buses and the Dept of Subways, both of which were also newly created departments that differed slightly from the pre Gunn management structure. Unfortunately, the true integration of the 2 scheduling units was not achieved as originally envisioned I suspect partially because some of the old managers were still in place and wanted to hold on to the old ways as long as possible. Also, Jay St was only a temporary measure as a new facility was being built at 130 Livingston and the departments weren’t even fully combined until moved to a temporary facility in the former Korvettes dept store on Lawrence St. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 19 16:07:54 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Apr 18 21:51:17 2016. I never really thought the Peter chaffier was the brightest bulb in the chandelier when it came to planning sent his statements seem to reenforce my opinion. I can cite several locations where subway connections to connecting bus routes are a lot closer than the so called distances Peter cites. At all 3 Kings Hwy statins, the connections to the buses are within steps of the subway entrances and that even includes the Brighton Line where the B2 and B31 are right outside the Quentin Rd entrance. At Flatbush/Nostrand, both the B41 and B44 are right upstairs from the 2 and 5 subway lines and in my neighborhood, here in Bay Ridge most of the connecting bus lines are within 60 ft of the subway entrances. It just goes to show the gross lack of knowledge that Mr Cafiero has regarding the transit system he is charged with planning for. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:33:52 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 19 15:55:53 2016. However, some of your facts are erroneous.The Gunn Administration began in February 1984. Rapid Transit Operations Planning and the Surface Planning Department as it was called in 1981 when I was in charge merged in July 1981, three years before the Gunn Administration. There probably were previous attempts to combine the departments but Surface was fiercely territorial and despised Jay Street considering their own turfdom a separate empire. My boss's favorite statement he would repeat is "Jay Street will self destruct." Surface refused to take any orders from Jay Street. They refused to give up Planning until the situations described regarding the air quality occurred when they initiated the suggestion so that I would be moved. It took several more years before they conceded to give up Schedules although it made zero sense for Schedules to remain at East New York. Until Gunn Surface and Rapid were " Divisions". Those divisions had departments within them. Gunn decided to reverse the terminology changing Surface to Buses and Rapid to Subways and calling them both departments and changing their previous departments to divisions. It was called Surface until 1984 because it also technically included trolleys which ceased to exist in 1956. So it only took the NYCTA and the MTA 28 years to recognize it no longer operated trolleys. As for if merging both operations planning departments into one to better coordinate buses and subways, that is probably the case, although I wonder if it even had that effect. But the point is the reason the change was made was not because of better functionality, it was to move me out of East New York. Operations Planning was never located in Korvettes. They were either in Jay Street or in the Howard Clothes Building on Chapel Street which you failed to mention. Regarding your experience to better coordinate buses and subways at major feeder stations, I was involved in similar studies around 1976 at Flatbush/Nostrand and Utica/Eastern Parkway where I produced two reports at the Department of City Planning. We collected passenger counts at Flatbush Avenue and discovered many buses leaving in the PM rush nearly empty. So we asked for train arrival times. What we found was astonishing to say the least. On all three days where we were given data from the MTA, we found only 50% of the trains leaving their northern terminal in the Bronx or Manhattan actually arrived at their southern terminal (Flatbush, Utica, or New Lots.) The other half was abandoned on route with passengers being discharged. That was when there were passenger rebellions with passengers refusing orders to leave the train with done passengers being taken to the yard, or the train being put back in service. (Trains were ordered to be removed from service when one pair of adjacent door leafs failed, which accounted for about half the abandonments.) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:35:03 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 18 22:19:29 2016. As I said I will no longer waste my time with your ridiculous nonsense. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:50:10 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Tue Apr 19 00:32:31 2016. First of all it's 260 feet, not 200 feet.Second, Westbound the bus presently has a signal at E 17 Street, one at East 15 St and Sheepshead Bay Road and another at East 15 Street and Avenue Z. That is three traffic signals. As proposed, straight along Avenue Z, there are signals at East 15, 16 and 17th Streets, also a total of three signals. Zero percent increase. Eastbound there is a signal at East 14 and Sheepshead Bay Road, another at E 15 and SBR, and a third at Avenue Z and East 15 Street, total of three signals. As proposed straight along Avenue Z there are two signals, one at East 14th and another at East 15th. So there wound be a saving of only one traffic signal in the eastbound direction and none in the westbound direction. So you are incorrect in using the plural (light cycles.) Your second statement is also incorrect. It takes a minute or three minutes to walk the extra block unless you believe pedestrians do not have to wait for two green lights that would be required. The bus also takes an extra minute under the current routing. So at best pedestrians could walk the distance in the same amount of time and at worst, it would take an extra two minutes. But as I pointed out, more importantly, those extra two minutes might make the difference between you catching it missing a train or bus adding up to 20 minutes to your trip if you miss either. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:57:46 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 19 16:07:54 2016. I think you are misinterpreting his statement. I do not believe he is comparing Sheepshead Bay Station to other stations. I interpreted his statement as comparing the B36 at Sheepshead Bay Station to the other bus routes at that station, the B4 and the B49. There is a one block walk to the B49 going south. Northbound the stop is near the Voorhies Avenue end of the station. With the B4, you have to walk a block to access that bus in both directions. But he is ignoring the fact that B36 transfers outnumber B4 and B49 transfers combined.Mr. Cafiero is an expert in subway trivia. I done believe his knowledge of the bus system is anywhere near as great. The question is if knowing subway trivia is enough to have all the responsibilities he is given. His people skills leave much to be desired. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 19 20:03:23 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:33:52 2016. They refused to give up Planning until the situations described regarding the air quality occurred when they initiated the suggestion so that I would be moved.In other words, they were willing to give up their own turf to get rid of you. That speaks volumes. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Apr 19 22:27:31 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:50:10 2016. "First of all it's 260 feet, not 200 feet."I measured it. 207' "Second, Westbound the bus presently has a signal at E 17 Street, one at East 15 St and Sheepshead Bay Road and another at East 15 Street and Avenue Z. That is three traffic signals." And Sheepshead Bay Road and Jerome doesn't exist? That is four signals. "As proposed, straight along Avenue Z, there are signals at East 15, 16 and 17th Streets, also a total of three signals. Zero percent increase." 3 to 4 is not a 0% increase. Furthermore, going straight at a signal is a substantially smoother process than turning at said signal, especially if it is a left turn onto a two way street, so comparing the number of signals you pass by is meaningless. It is the turns at those signals that are a problem, and will inevitably get you stuck. "Eastbound there is a signal at East 14 and Sheepshead Bay Road, another at E 15 and SBR, and a third at Avenue Z and East 15 Street, total of three signals. As proposed straight along Avenue Z there are two signals, one at East 14th and another at East 15th. So there wound be a saving of only one traffic signal in the eastbound direction and none in the westbound direction." Same number of signals perhaps. But as I point out above signals aren't the only issue here. The substantially longer distance, the substantially greater amount of traffic in front of the station, for NO SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT WHATSOEVER is the issue here. So yes, I comfortably state that this certainly benefits more than it hurts. "So you are incorrect in using the plural (light cycles.)" No. (see above) "Your second statement is also incorrect." No. It takes a minute or three minutes. One minute for an average walker. Less than a minute for people in shape. "to walk the extra block unless you believe pedestrians do not have to wait for two green lights that would be required." Why would they have to wait for two green lights when half don't have to cross the street twice? "The bus also takes an extra minute under the current routing." Except it doesn't. Anyone who looks at how things are working here can clearly see that it is a lot more than a minute. "So at best pedestrians could walk the distance in the same amount of time and at worst, it would take an extra two minutes." No, because both of your estimates are off. "But as I pointed out, more importantly, those extra two minutes might make the difference between you catching it missing a train or bus adding up to 20 minutes to your trip if you miss either." Yes, which is why it is best to reroute it as it will be faster for those people, as well as for those who might miss their connections to the F N or D elsewhere! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:32:18 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 19 20:03:23 2016. Precisely. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:33:35 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:33:52 2016. You are completely full of yourself. You think that a major reorganization occurred just to get rid of you?? You're delusional. But even if not were true, it would prove our point about you be unsuitable for the job. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:34:35 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 19 19:35:03 2016. Yes you will. You posted something ridiculous and I asked you a question about it. Why can't you answer? I know why. Because you know you're wrong. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue Apr 19 23:37:58 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Apr 19 22:33:35 2016. +1,000 |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Apr 20 01:23:04 2016, in response to Re: Attention all B36 Bus riders, posted by R30A on Tue Apr 19 22:27:31 2016. "But as I pointed out, more importantly, those extra two minutes might make the difference between you catching it missing a train or bus adding up to 20 minutes to your trip if you miss either."Also, remember that the 1 minute additional travel time is an average. If the bus runs every 20 minutes, and you spend 1 additional minute walking to the bus stop, then assuming that the subway schedule and bus schedule have no coordination whatsoever, then 1 time out of 20, you will miss the bus, and 19 times out of 20, you will spend a minute walking to save a minute of waiting, so there's no negative impact whatsoever (time-wise). |
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