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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:30:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:44:25 2016. I never said otherwise. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 16 13:37:36 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:47:06 2016. I think you misspelled "accurate." |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:47:44 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:46:32 2016. So you admit that you DID say it was ok to use peak hour data? THANK YOU. Thank you for admitting you were wrong. Now was that so hard??"Capacity is not the only issue. Traffic speeds is just as much an issue and to determine if traffic speeds for general traffic will go down in the off peak, you need off peak data." WTF? First of all, speed is related to intersection capacity in this case. This is not a free-flow uninterrupted roadway. This is a roadway made up of segments that are connected by signalized intersections. If the LOS of the major flow decreases beyond a certain point, then generally the overall average speed to cover several segments will decrease as you will spend more time delayed at signals. So you don't need to look at "speed" specifically. Yes, generally travel time runs are done for corridor studies, but that is mainly to help calibrate the existing conditions model and to provide data for the air quality and noise analyses. It is not for the purposes of predicting an exact change in average speed for the future conditions. And even if you do create average speed predictions using modeling software, I doubt they do it for off-peak periods. All that said, assuming that there is normally less traffic in the off-peak than in the peak, there's no need to do an off-peak analysis unless the traffic patterns are substantially different. You'd look at the weekday AM and PM peaks, often also at the weekday midday peak, and sometimes also at the Saturday midday peak, especially if there is a lot of existing or proposed Retail use in the area. So once again, for a 24 hour proposal, as you like to call it, there is no need to analyze hours such as 11pm and 3am. There's also no need to see 24 hour count totals except to determine which hours are the peak hours. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:48:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 11:47:06 2016. No, all of it is lies, as I already said. And as others have told you many times before. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 17:06:25 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:48:42 2016. And your opinion here means ZERO. Because all you do is accuse or agree. Rarely ever a worthwhile post. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 17:14:38 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Mar 16 17:06:25 2016. "And your opinion here means ZERO."Wrong. It means a lot, since I am knowledgeable in certain areas and know how to research other areas. "Because all you do is accuse or agree." Wrong. I do a lot of things. "Rarely ever a worthwhile post." Wrong, many of my posts are worthwhile. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed Mar 16 23:07:28 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:01:20 2016. Thank you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 16 23:50:56 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by HART BUS on Tue Mar 15 18:19:13 2016. ::crickets:: |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 14:01:26 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 17:14:38 2016. bump |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 14:01:45 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Mar 16 23:50:56 2016. bump |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:21:09 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:45:26 2016. Nothing in the FAQ document shows results from traffic or transportation models. It only has a few limited vehicular counts and pedestrian counts.If you want to see a document with modeling data, go to the Queens College Study. Do you even know what a transportation model is? Obviously not. Traffic counts are not synonymous with models in spite of what you may think. How is explaining how the MTA transportation planning models ten years ago were only useful in macro planning such as the need for a Second Avenue subway or a bridge over Long Island Sound but not useful for local bus planning a cnspiracy theory? Those statements were made by the MTA in 2006 in Brooklyn Borough Hall at a NYMTC meeting. Certainly Trotting Course Lane will not be a designated truck route. That leaves only Furmanville. "No traffic at all" Bullshit. When did you go? Midnight? Try a Saturday or Sunday afternoon. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:30:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:49:49 2016. You are the one who has no understanding of English."Behind closed doors" and "in private" are two separate concepts. Two people can have a private conversation behind closed doors with a third person present as a witness. Two people can have a private conversation in a public arena where there are no witnesses. Mine was the second. You made the inaccurate assumption that it was "behind closed doors." Your statement was misleading. You were asked if lanes were removed under the proposal and you responded to indicate that removing the lanes was a minor part of the plan when in fact the plan hinges on that feature. If you want to see data, look at the Queens College Study because you evidently have never even seen what real data looks like. And I supposed to believe a bluffer like you that data that you won't provide exists somewhere? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:34:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:34 2016. So if I tell someone that I took the highway today from Tines Square to Grand Central, they will know exactly what I am talking about. Correct?Or will they respond? What highway? And what do you think they will say when I answer 42 Street? They will wonder what I have been smoking. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:36:12 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:21:09 2016. "Nothing in the FAQ document shows results from traffic or transportation models. It only has a few limited vehicular counts and pedestrian counts."Who said they displayed their raw data? "If you want to see a document with modeling data, go to the Queens College Study." Let me directly quote from that study: " It does not, though, predict how trip patterns would change if a new transportation segment were to be built, nor can it provide a ridership estimate for that facility." "Do you even know what a transportation model is? Obviously not. Traffic counts are not synonymous with models in spite of what you may think." Of course they aren't. Traffic counts are necessary data to base such modelling on however. "How is explaining how the MTA transportation planning models ten years ago were only useful in macro planning such as the need for a Second Avenue subway or a bridge over Long Island Sound but not useful for local bus planning a cnspiracy theory? Those statements were made by the MTA in 2006 in Brooklyn Borough Hall at a NYMTC meeting." That is taking a quote out of the applicable context. This is not simply moving bus stops. "Certainly Trotting Course Lane will not be a designated truck route. That leaves only Furmanville." Maybe. Who says Furmanville will be one? No way to know yet. ""No traffic at all" Bullshit. When did you go? Midnight? Try a Saturday or Sunday afternoon." Sunday at 2 PM is not Sunday afternoon? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:36:13 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:50:56 2016. But you say peak hour counts are all you need to justify a 24/7 proposal. And that isn't true. That was my point as if you didn't know. So don't play dumb although you don't have to try to hard. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:39:38 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:30:08 2016. You are the one who has no understanding of English."Behind closed doors" and "in private" are two separate concepts. Two people can have a private conversation behind closed doors with a third person present as a witness. Two people can have a private conversation in a public arena where there are no witnesses. Mine was the second. You made the inaccurate assumption that it was "behind closed doors." Whatever term you want to use does not matter. My point remains even if you do not know what "behind closed doors" means. Just change my statement to "In private" and you'll be able to understand it. "Your statement was misleading. You were asked if lanes were removed under the proposal and you responded to indicate that removing the lanes was a minor part of the plan when in fact the plan hinges on that feature." I never said it was minor. I never implied it was minor. I was explicitly stating that it was FAR FROM UNIVERSAL. And it is far from universal. "If you want to see data, look at the Queens College Study because you evidently have never even seen what real data looks like. And I supposed to believe a bluffer like you that data that you won't provide exists somewhere?" Let me directly quote from that study again: " It does not, though, predict how trip patterns would change if a new transportation segment were to be built, nor can it provide a ridership estimate for that facility." |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:40:23 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:34:48 2016. Who is talking about colloquial usage here?(Answer: Nobody outside of you.) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:40:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 11:51:59 2016. I was giving the intersection of Ocean Parkway and Brighton Beach Avenue as an example. Walking to West 8th Street from a few blocks further is not so easy. One would first have to take the Brighton Line or a bus to the Brighton Line, transfer at Coney Island for the Sea Beach and then transfer again for the R train walking multiple flights of stairs.And you are trying to deny that one direct bus route is not easier than all that. You are simply unbelievable. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:40:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:36:13 2016. "But you say peak hour counts are all you need to justify a 24/7 proposal. And that isn't true. That was my point as if you didn't know. So don't play dumb although you don't have to try to hard."But it is true, so your point is wholly invalid. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:42:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:40:53 2016. Both the F-R and the (then) D/M/Q-N/B-R do not involve going downtown. Also, the latter may well end up being faster than the bus. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:42:25 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:05:40 2016. You are speaking generalities which mean nothing without explanation. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:42:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:42:25 2016. He is explaining exactly why you are wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:43:49 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:06:55 2016. He keeps changing his story. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:09:00 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 16 13:16:07 2016. The competition from dollar vans probably increased since SBS because half the service was removed from New York Avenue increasing the transit desert between Utica and Nostrand Avenues.Okay. Neither of us said "all." You said most could walk from Rogers to NY and others could take the local. I stated that walking to or from Rogers would mist likely cancel out their SBS time savings so most likely they would take the local on NY Ave which was being cut by 50 percent so they were being inconvenienced by having to take the local when they previously could take the faster limited. You said not everyone using the local was inconvenienced. Anyone who has to wait 50percent longer for a bus was inconvenienced. Bottom line, until we see data from the MTA we don't know if more were helped or were inconvenienced assuming the MTA produces the necessary data. If they don't you will just insist they produced it but just decided not to make it public. The MTA has not made any case since they never released a post SBS report and calling me a "nutjob" does not change that. If you think they have made a case then you are the"nutjob". What else are you fantasizing? "Spring Break"? That means you don't even know what it means to have to work for a living and you think you know everything. When I was your age, I also thought I knew everything until I became smarter. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:19:40 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:29:30 2016. And you knew before this discussion that every public road is legally a highway including the Broadway pedestrian plaza?As if I expect you will tell the truth. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:21:32 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:30:09 2016. No one said you did. What you said was 24 hour counts do not count for a 24 hour proposal. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:22:42 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:40:57 2016. It is totally untrue. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:33:19 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 16 13:47:44 2016. "So you admit that you DID say it was ok to use peak hour data? THANK YOU. Thank you for admitting you were wrong. Now was that so hard??"I never said anything if the sort. As for the rest of your post, what you say is true except for the last paragraph. I am not calling it a 24 proposal. Any proposal that will be in effect for 24/7 is a 24/7 proposal and needs to make sense 24/7. It does not make sense to have lan devoted exclusively to buses when there are barely any buses operating such as at 3 AM. It also makes sense to say that data for one hour out of 24 hours cannot justify any proposal in effect 24/7 regardless if you collect data for all 24 hours or not. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 15:34:10 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:19:40 2016. I don't think it matters if you knew that. (I did, I rather suspect he did too, but whatever) The context makes it clear what it means. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 15:39:31 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:09:00 2016. "The competition from dollar vans probably increased since SBS because half the service was removed from New York Avenue increasing the transit desert between Utica and Nostrand Avenues.Okay. Neither of us said "all."" Yup. "You said most could walk from Rogers to NY and others could take the local. I stated that walking to or from Rogers would mist likely cancel out their SBS time savings so most likely they would take the local on NY Ave which was being cut by 50 percent so they were being inconvenienced by having to take the local when they previously could take the faster limited. You said not everyone using the local was inconvenienced." Correct, not everyone using the local was inconvenienced. "Anyone who has to wait 50percent longer for a bus was inconvenienced." Not everyone has to wait 50% longer. "Bottom line, until we see data from the MTA we don't know if more were helped or were inconvenienced assuming the MTA produces the necessary data." Correct. Which is why I don't assume more people were inconvenienced. "If they don't you will just insist they produced it but just decided not to make it public." Obviously. And they won't, as they never release such data. "The MTA has not made any case since they never released a post SBS report and calling me a "nutjob" does not change that. If you think they have made a case then you are the"nutjob". What else are you fantasizing?" I don't think any actual riders are complaining about SBS as a whole. There is nobody who needs convincing. ""Spring Break"? That means you don't even know what it means to have to work for a living and you think you know everything." It does? I am vested in two work based pensions, three if you count social security (Which, by the way, I did not know you had to vest in until I was looking something up this year. interesting!). "When I was your age, I also thought I knew everything until I became smarter." LOL. You still think you know everything in areas where you clearly don't know anything. Probably not the best example to put forwards. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 15:40:11 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:21:32 2016. And that is correct. 24 hour total counts are absolutely useless. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:44:18 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:42:25 2016. I explained what happened. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:50:05 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 14:43:49 2016. He keeps changing his story.He hasn't changed his story at all AFAICT. How come you're the ONLY person here so far who thinks that he has??? Have you considered the possibility that you are wrong? It wouldn't be the first time. Just today you got the bridge wrong that a certain bus went over. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:51:03 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:09:00 2016. That means you don't even know what it means to have to work for a living and you think you know everything.Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. Why do you make all these stupid assumptions that turn out to be wrong? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:53:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:39:38 2016. So you are saying because she wasn't speaking loud enough so others could hear, it was okay for her to lie to me.Sorry, but a responsible bureaucratic official should never intentionally lie. Further, she publicly stated that they will decide how much further they want to take the project once the results from Phase 1 were in. That certainly sounds like Phase 2 is not a given. And your quote from the study conveniently omits the sentence directly following: "However, it does allow us to identify the potential scope of the transportation impact that reactivation could have." Or the estimates they make of between 150,000 to 500,000 who could potentially benefit from the rail line. You are attempting to mislead here just as you were attempting to mislead Spider Pig by minimizing that removing general traffic lanes for considerable distances is a major feature of the SBS plan. He never asked if it was universal or not, so don't try to change the context. You responded as if it were a minor unimportant feature if the plan, just like DOT made it appear at their presentations that bus lanes would appear out of thin air, never specifically verbally stating where they would come from. You will find nothing in their written reports about REMOVING traffic lanes from general traffic. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:56:30 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:40:23 2016. What I am saying is that it would make more sense for legal definitions to somehow be related to how a word us actually used in the real word. That applies to colloquial as well as in a written context. Other than lawyers. No one would ever refer to any small public street as a highway. Just like no one walking along the sidewalk would say they are walking on the street. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:58:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:19:40 2016. And you knew before this discussion that every public road is legally a highway including the Broadway pedestrian plaza?What R30A said. Also, yes, I did know about it before this discussion, however I do admit that I actually learned it only a couple months ago. The reason I learned it, however, had nothing to do with LOS. All of my knowledge and application of LOS happened without knowing that NYS defines every single road as a highway. That wiki page is actually misleading. Your real error was only reading the first paragraph. Reading more of the page would have showed you that LOS is applicable to what we commonly call streets. As if I expect you will tell the truth.Huh? When have I ever lied? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 16:59:39 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:42:18 2016. And since when would Atlantic Center where the transfers would be made, not be considered Downtown Brooklyn?And, most likely the subway would not be faster. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:59:48 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:21:32 2016. 24 hour totals don't matter for a 24 hour proposal. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:00:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 14:42:59 2016. And as I stated generalities without specifics are meaningless. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:04:51 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:58:57 2016. Actually NYS does not define every single road as a highway. You omitted one very important word "public".And I won't bother answering the second question because I don't want an endless discussion. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:05:54 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 15:33:19 2016. I never said anything if the sort.Yes you did. We've already been over this. Peak periods certainly do require the lane. I am not calling it a 24 proposal.Yes you are. Any proposal that will be in effect for 24/7 is a 24/7 proposal and needs to make sense 24/7.Of course. It does not make sense to have lan devoted exclusively to buses when there are barely any buses operating such as at 3 AM.Huh? It certainly could make sense, and in this specific case, it probably does make sense. At 3am there are so few cars on the road that the fact that they can't use of the available lanes will not make any significant difference in terms of capacity/LOS. It also makes sense to say that data for one hour out of 24 hours cannot justify any proposal in effect 24/7 regardless if you collect data for all 24 hours or not.No one said that. We've said that you'd look at the weekday AM and PM peaks, often also at the weekday midday peak, and sometimes also at the Saturday midday peak, especially if there is a lot of existing or proposed Retail use in the area. But there is no need to see any of the other hours unless you expect significantly different traffic patterns during those hours. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:18:08 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:00:27 2016. It's not general. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:18:14 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:51:03 2016. Well I know that you are not working. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:20:20 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:04:51 2016. Actually NYS does not define every single road as a highway. You omitted one very important word "public".That goes without saying. On a private road you can do whatever you want, for the most part. So there was no need for me to say "public". And I won't bother answering the second question because I don't want an endless discussion.If you didn't want that, you wouldn't even have made the stupid lie in the first place. Obviously you know it is a lie, as you have no examples of me showing a pattern/history of lying. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:20:53 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:18:14 2016. How do you know that? You want to make a bet? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:21:27 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 15:39:31 2016. "Correct. Which is why I don't assume more people were inconvenienced."No you ASSUME more people were helped. "I don't think any actual riders are complaining about SBS as a whole." Funny everyone I speak to who uses SBS complains about it and one person I know uses like 8 buses a day in her work, many times SBS. She has never said a good word about it. And one B44 SBS rider posted last year on Sheepsheadbites that he uses SBS for a long distance and although it personally saves him time, he still believes it is a bad idea for the majority of bus riders. So if you haven't heard criticism of SBS from actual riders, you really haven't been looking. Correct. The MTA will never release data to show more were helped than were hurt because that data will not exist. What they will do is release a few selective data like a few people going between two points, show how those people were helped, and then ask you to make the assumption that most everyone was helped. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:23:57 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 17 15:40:11 2016. You have it a little backwards. It's one hour counts are useless for a 24/7 proposal.One hour counts are needed for a proposal in effect for one hour and much more data is needed for a proposal in effect 24/7. I am not going to insist you need 24 hour counts because 21 hour counts would probably be just as good. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:24:16 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 16:59:48 2016. They certainly do. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 17 17:26:59 2016, in response to Re: Summary and Video of November 2015 SBS meeting in Woodhaven, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Mar 17 17:24:16 2016. No they don't. Please explain how 24 hour totals would be used in the modeling and/or analysis of a roadway that is known to have peak periods and traditional travel patterns? |
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