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Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 28 14:37:18 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 01:58:22 2006. I don't know, not much of a benefit really, just for a very few working on the upper eastern corner of the CBDNot if they're averaging 8 mph along Queens Boulevard. |
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Posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 28 14:38:42 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 28 14:32:13 2006. I think more people heard of Briarwood than Brooklyn Manor.Probably only because the subway station was renamed. I used to live in that neighborhood. Brooklyn Manor is a dead name, even the Post Office doesn't recognize it. The are is Richmond hill, with Woodhaven a couple of blocks west. |
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Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 28 14:48:13 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:55:26 2006. Since your 'Rockway Rocket' service has 2 south terminals, and 2 north terminals, you could split it into 2 services.IMO, there's not enough riders in Rockaway to justify giving that line a super express. Send the A to Lefferts Blvd, all times Build a transfer station at Liberty Avenue, and terminate every third train there. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 15:10:20 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by mambomta on Fri Jul 28 14:38:42 2006. It's a cool sounding name. As if the hoity-toity live there... |
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Posted by bill west on Fri Jul 28 15:29:59 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 09:44:24 2006. If by Artemus you mean the HTML text tool, no. I just eyeballed the listings for items that sounded likely to be significant, I did say it could take time :) One of the things that came out after a few tries is that the lengthy documents occasionally have drawings at the back of 40-60 pages of legalese. Also the last page can have registry office notes about other lots that are also affected. City land seems to be weakly covered perhaps because there’s no tax records needed. The 1960’sh cutoff of online data seems to simply be a lack of microfilm/digitizing activity before then, too bad for some of the places where we would like to know the history.Thanks, Bill |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 15:35:37 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by bill west on Fri Jul 28 15:29:59 2006. Good work! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 16:08:25 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 12:08:59 2006. Right, also in Garden City like Garden City station and Merrilon Ave. Do you want three Garden City stations like Garden City 1, Garden City 2, etc? Then you have to chose another name. The street is the next choice. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 16:10:59 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by American Pig on Fri Jul 28 14:00:40 2006. I was more talking about the rollsigns though. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 16:14:52 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 16:08:25 2006. well, you could what Miami Metrorail does. The two southern-most stations on the line straddle a large shopping area. The stations are Dadeland South and Dadeland North. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 16:23:53 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by American Pig on Fri Jul 28 14:02:53 2006. Some maps show the neighborhood's name to be "Broadway." |
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Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Bran |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 16:27:03 2006, in response to So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 28 12:16:27 2006. Wouldn't it make more sense to have the Rocket skip all stops between Whitepot and Aqueduct and have the (V) serve those stations? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 28 17:32:32 2006, in response to So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 28 12:16:27 2006. Very nice, but Rockaway Park doesn't need that much service, the S is fine and leave the V back at Howard Beach or Broad channel. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 17:35:20 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 28 17:32:32 2006. If the (V) is extended down the Rockaway ROW, why not eliminate the shuttle and replace it with the (V)? Or just short-turn some of the (V)s at Howard Beach or Broad Channel. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 17:35:23 2006, in response to So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 28 12:16:27 2006. Very nice idea. Other respondents, I see have made thoughtful suggestions on the details. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:10:07 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:21:38 2006. You're moving Canarsie to the Queensboro Bridge? |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Jul 28 18:16:25 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 16:14:52 2006. Or those stops near yukon bus depot...Yukon Ave and Kmart Driveway... But that is nothing compared to the stops before and after... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 28 18:16:54 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 01:08:27 2006. No LRT on the Bridge.That is what the 63RD STREET TUNNEL was built for. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:22:40 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:26:44 2006. Don't forget that Ron defines "crowded" differently from the rest of us. He saw a picture of a W train with most seats filled and a handful of standees and declared it crowded. I wish I had the luxury of riding such crowded trains on the 1. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:25:15 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:26:11 2006. Unfortunately. Bus dispatchers don't seem to be properly equipped to do the job they really should be doing. When he sent that bus out empty, he had no way of determining how far away the next bus was -- all he could tell is when it was scheduled to arrive. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:31:35 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by American Pig on Fri Jul 28 14:00:40 2006. Are those original? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 18:43:36 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:31:35 2006. I'm not sure if those signs are original. For the life of me I can't really remember, and I even was there the first week or so. I "think" they only had Jamaica Center on the signs, but don't quote me on it.I am POSITIVE though about the rollsigns. Some trains said straight out "Jamaica Center", other's had the Parsons/Archer on it too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 28 18:44:31 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:22:40 2006. Or on most L trains...weekends, nights, or days. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 28 18:48:00 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:25:15 2006. The bus locating aystem which they have been talking about for over 25 years supposed to solve that problem. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:50:12 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 28 18:48:00 2006. Wow, it's delayed even more than the bus! |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 28 18:58:15 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 18:50:12 2006. You didn't reply to to my previous post. Any thoughts?Here: |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 19:02:10 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 28 18:58:15 2006. Sorry, I must have missed it. I'll look at it now. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 19:23:03 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jul 26 20:32:00 2006. The basic route would be something like this.Start at Sheepshead Bay, inside fare control. (Whether it's above, below, or somewhere else depends in part on the next bit.) Get it across the Belt somehow. I haven't decided what's best. Maybe run it parallel to the Brighton line. Maybe run it across Voorhies at grade, then along the edge of the Belt and through the existing SBR underpass. The latter is probably cheaper and not much more time-consuming, but the turn onto SBR might be too tight. For the sake of argument, I'll assume the SBR routing. The rest is straightforward. Run it across a widened and strengthened Ocean Avenue footbridge (too bad they just rebuilt it!) and along the south edge of the Bay (along the double Shore Boulevard sidewalk, as you suggest). Install switches near the KCC gate to turn LRV's when the campus is closed. At other times, LRV's will run on a wide loop around the campus, stopping near each of the buildings. (If intra-campus demand is sufficient, perhaps the college could also pay for some LRV's that simply circle around campus without ever leaving.) Fares would be handled by electronic POP: unless you board at Sheepshead Bay, you dip or swipe your MetroCard at an encoder on the LRV. The fare is valid for 30 minutes, or for 2 hours if you entered at a subway station other than Sheepshead Bay. Holders of activated unlimited cards need not swipe. Fare inspectors will carry handheld MetroCard checkers. There are really three problems with the B1 and B49. First, they're crowded, but as you point out, that can be solved by running more buses (or by improving the dispatching system). Second, the B49 (not the B1) takes a circuitous route between the station and the college. Third, the transfer points aren't designed as transfer facilities (the same criticism applies to nearly every other bus-subway transfer point in the system, but it's still a criticism) and the KCC end of the line is in a ridiculous location, as though there's a major traffic generator on Mackenzie Street. The second and third problems won't be solved by simply running more buses. I don't see the point of a light rail line that runs exclusively or primarily along a street. In that case, it might as well be a bus line, at far lower capital cost. Light rail can be useful when it goes places that buses can't go. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:15:29 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 02:21:06 2006. I think LRT is not a waste of money. I'd like to see more heavy rail in NYC, but that doesn't mean the entire city is meant for LRT. Maybe heavy rail is best for Pelham Pkwy, or maybe LRT is. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 20:18:34 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 01:14:42 2006. It will be demolished once SAS is extended to that area. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 20:26:33 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 02:21:06 2006. I agree. The only efficient use of scarce money is to expand existing lines, and build new lines that integrate into the current system, not create a new parallel one. The only boro where I can see LRT being viable is Staten Island. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Fri Jul 28 20:42:21 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:15:29 2006. For PELHAM PARKWAY LRT is the thing the #12 bus isen't that overloadedand almost empty after 1 AM. FLASH GORDON |
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Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Bran |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 28 20:43:52 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 28 14:48:13 2006. Wouldn't it make more sense to end at Howard Beach than Liberty Av? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:46:52 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:55:26 2006. Then which line would you give it to? The E and F are already express, and I don't see much sense in giving it to one of the local lines when they'll only have two more stops after the super express run. The Rockaway line is a prime candidate for the service. It's got MANY stops before reaching the super express segment. Being that it is the only line serving that area, it will likely be crowded by the time it reaches the super express segment, which means it would make sense for a train that will probably be packed by then to run express to Manhattan. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:52:52 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Bran, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 16:27:03 2006. I could see skipping Metropolitan, 101st, and N Conduit(and maybe Broad Channel?), but the rest I think should be made, especially Atlantic if Woodhaven LIRR were to reopen. Besides, the ROW is only TWO tracks wide til Atlantic, THEN it becomes four for a bit. It may be hard to run non-stop from Whitepot to Aqueduct. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:54:07 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 28 17:32:32 2006. Why do that when you can get rid of the S and give people the one seat ride? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:56:34 2006, in response to So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 28 12:16:27 2006. I love it. I think you can afford to loose the RR stops at Met, 101st, and Aqueduct stops. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:01:11 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 20:18:34 2006. I wouldn't be so sure about that. If it is so, I've got some underground adventures to attend to. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:01:44 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 28 18:16:54 2006. Yeah, but it was used for something better, unfortunately. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 21:04:10 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Bran, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 20:52:52 2006. I don't think it'd be that hard to squeeze in a third track. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:14:13 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 20:26:33 2006. Why cant crosstown service be good for LRT? Pelham Pkwy, the Bay Ridge line, etc. SI may work, but why can't the other boros do it?(I know Manhattan is out of the question except for the existing abandonned terminals) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:16:19 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Bran, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 21:04:10 2006. I think it may be. The ROW is on an embankment. Yeah, you could do some construction and raise one of the sides of the embankment, but that's a LOT of work and a LOT of money to skip a few stops. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Jul 28 21:16:42 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by FLASH GORDON on Fri Jul 28 20:42:21 2006. So? Terminate LRT service at midnight or so and run buses.Or just run LRT trains with long headways. |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Fri Jul 28 21:35:43 2006, in response to So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Jul 28 12:16:27 2006. Nice map work and good consept but MTA wont go for it.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 21:46:16 2006, in response to Re: So I've Drawn a MAP. (R36 #9346's Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch), posted by J trainloco on Fri Jul 28 12:55:26 2006. People in Rock Park would be screaming bloody murder. On the other hand, the Rock could become the Queens SAS segment thru a super-express to 63rd St tunnel. They would need to do it now, while ESA is being built. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 22:19:47 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:01:11 2006. They should build a SAS stop there. Then have the next stop at 52nd St instead of 55th. |
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Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jul 28 22:22:12 2006, in response to Re: oops. the full post. (Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 28 21:14:13 2006. I stand corrected. An LRT on the Bay Ridge ROW that doesn't disrupt freight would be a great idea. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 28 23:10:17 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 19:23:03 2006. I still don't think that the demand justifies the expense. Yes the buses are crowded for small portion of the day and usually only in one direction. But most of the time they run with 2 to 15 people. Friday evenings when there are no classes, I'm usually the only one on the bus. Also, the technical problems you mention like the turn into SBR would have to be resolved.I think the extra B-1s recently put on to Ocean Parkway since the introduction of MetroCard Gold and the end of the yellow taxi brigade helped a lot but you would know better than me about that. I've also noticed that since the high school was completed, there area about 12 extra buses put in around 3 PM to ease the loads. I think that works because dispatching is not a problem. It's to the College when you can't control the buses. I've noticed the B49 to be extremely reliable in the morning leaving Mackenzie. But after 2 PM, forget about it. Although, I think the schedule is something like 6 or 8 minutes. I've frequently seen only 2 buses come during the evening rush hour between 5 and 6 PM because they are stuck somehere up north probably on Bedford Avenue between Empire and Church which is extremely slow. They need more short service in the southern end. Agreed the problem is more of a dispatching problem than not enough buses. And I agree about the ridiculous location of the terminal. I don't know if I mentioned it before but the TA told me last year that they are all for extending both routes into the College and blame the College for lack of cooperation. They might not be telling the whole truth but I think if there were pressure from the College and cooperation they claim they are not getting, you could get the routes extended at least during peak times when travel to the College is heavy. Some one in the College needs to take the lead on this. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 23:22:33 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 28 19:23:03 2006. "Light rail can be useful when it goes places that buses can't go."That would mean that in Philly, the Line 15 Trolley and the discontinued 23 and 56 lines shoul never be run, because buses can go where the trolley goes. I happen to think reactivating the 23 is not a good idea, but I support the operation of the 15 and I'd want SEPTA to rebuildd and reintroduce the 56 trolley. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 28 23:27:26 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 28 23:22:33 2006. I happen to think reactivating the 23 is not a good idea, but I support the operation of the 15 and I'd want SEPTA to rebuildd and reintroduce the 56 trolley.Why the 56 and not the 23? The people who live along the 23 seem to want it back more than the people on Erie and Torresdale. They're certainly more vocal about it, at least. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Fri Jul 28 23:36:20 2006, in response to Re: My Route Suggestion of the Old Abandoned LIRR Rockaway Beach Branch, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 28 14:37:18 2006. signal preemption + dedicated lane = win |
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