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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 12 11:11:11 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by arnine on Wed Aug 11 14:48:15 2010. It's one of the reasons why you see so much extra metal work in that area. There were also a whole bunch of trolley lines that used to run underneath the structures (before my time). In addition you had lots of freight coming into Yard A (where the ESA hole is now) and nearby Degnon Terminal (where LaGuardia Community College is now). When I was a kid, access was so easy. It was (and still is) a railfan's paradise. One can OD on it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 12 11:33:49 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 11 14:06:28 2010. ...and must have been a FUN place to be a dispatcher/towerman in those days too....Indeed. Circa 1930 |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Aug 12 11:54:06 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 12 11:02:19 2010. Actually, I meant a connection to xfer between the 2 stations maybe the Gotham Center can still do it but doubtful :( |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Aug 12 11:56:12 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 12 11:11:11 2010. I can see that :) I still occasionally like to get pics of the yards but haven't for a while |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 12:33:42 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Thu Aug 12 08:43:08 2010. After 1940, there was a greater need for steel cars due to the Culver line going from an extension of an el to a subway only route. Perhaps city management was not as efficient as it was under the BMT and there were a lesser percentage of cars available on any given day for service.The BMT was not actively ordering new subway cars when the city took over. They did cancel an outstanding order of 80 Bluebirds, but these were intended for el service which the post 1940 abandonments rendered pointless. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:05:58 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 12:33:42 2010. Actually, the BMT did not cancel the order for the remaining Bluebirds, the city did. Also, historical documentation indicated that the Bluebirds were intended for a new high speed local service on the 4 Av subway between 95 St and Gold St using a new loop just N/O Gold St the bellmouths for which can still be seen. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Aug 12 13:06:43 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Aug 11 08:31:31 2010. You are absolutely correct. I lived in Sunnyside as a youngster and went through that complex at least three days per week, using both the IRT and the BMT on the Flushing line. |
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Posted by seabeachexpress on Thu Aug 12 13:10:44 2010, in response to [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Tue Aug 10 08:04:58 2010. I have yet to see a picture of a 2nd ave El train coming off the bridge into QBP. There are plenty from the Manhattan side but I'd love to see one taken from the platform looking west toward the bridge. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 13:16:32 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 13:05:58 2010. That's what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. The Bluebirds were obviously meant for the Fulton St. el, once the city took over, this need disappeared. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Thu Aug 12 13:16:54 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 10 19:24:00 2010. That is not entirely correct. The BMT and IRT had joint operations on both the Flushing and Astoria lines. Since the platforms were constructed to IRT dimensions, the BMY used the Q cars, which were converted el cars, for service between Main St or Ditmars and Queensboro Plaza. The north (BMT) portion of the station had an across the platform transfer to the BMT standards and triplexes to and from Manhattan. As mentioned, the north platforms were abandoned and then torn down after the 1949 unification which sent all BMT trains to Astoria and all IRT trains to Flushing, but not before all Astoria platforms were shaved back to accommodate the wider BMT trains. The south (IRT) portion contained through subway cars to/from Flushing or Ditmars to/from Times Square. Prior to 1942 the Second Ave. el was part of the south side as well. The upper level north IRT track was not used from 1942-1949 because all trains from Times Square to Astoria used the crossover at the east end of the station, which still exists today. The lower level north track was used for trains from Astoria to Times Square, which used a crossover at the west end of the station. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 13:22:38 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 13:16:32 2010. Not exactly. The Bluebirds were the BMT's vision of the subway car of the future. While they were to get their start on the els eventually BMT management foresaw them being used all over.The city wanted to standardize everything based on the R 1-9 design. The Bluebird did not fit into their vision. |
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Posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:40:44 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 11 23:09:39 2010. "And it also seems that post - 1949, maybe 27s and 30s ran there, but you never see pics of prewar Rs on the Astoria...or even anywhere on Broadway period."Actually, prewar R-types did run on the Manhattan Broadway BMT as the EE from Christie through about 1972. At that point, R1/9s were removed from the EE in favor of 16s, 38s, Mod 40/42s, and the occasional 32. Before the 1954 Culver merge and IND access to Coney Yard, there doesn't seem to be any conceivable way to move IND equipment to BMT trackage and vice verse. Concourse Yard could not have been used because of the narrower IRT gauge. |
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Posted by Michael Wares on Thu Aug 12 14:22:07 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 12:33:42 2010. Also, a few additional trains were required to run the Astoria service, which previously had used BMT el cars and IRT Steinways. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 15:14:50 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 13:22:38 2010. The BB's were el cars that could run in the subway. Still, they would have been used on the els had the BMT not sold out in 1940. Clearly, that was their main purpose. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 15:24:57 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 15:14:50 2010. See my other post on this topic. |
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Posted by Randyo on Thu Aug 12 15:26:07 2010, in response to Arnines on Broadway- Re: D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:40:44 2010. Car float |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 16:48:17 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 13:22:38 2010. Chicago and Toronto both used Bluebirds in their promotional materials for future subway construction. Postcards of the Chicago are often seen at train or postcard shows and the tape (maybe also DVD?) "Streamlining Chicago" shows Bluebirds on the underground part of the Brighton Line.Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:07:02 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 12:33:42 2010. They did cancel an outstanding order of 80 Bluebirds, but these were intended for el service which the post 1940 abandonments rendered pointless.Can you imagine if that order went through ? 80 Bluebirds !! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:09:20 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 16:48:17 2010. "Streamlining Chicago" shows Bluebirds on the underground part of the Brighton Line.The part of the line north of Prospect Park ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 12 19:36:48 2010, in response to Arnines on Broadway- Re: D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:40:44 2010. The entire subway system uses the same track gauge - standard 4' 8.5". Maybe you were thinking of the IRT's narrower car width. |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 22:32:47 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Aug 12 19:09:20 2010. So far as I remember, the Chicago tape uses the underground Brighton section around Prospect Park station. It's a while since I looked at the tape. When it surfaces again, I'll look and report back.Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 22:38:21 2010, in response to Arnines on Broadway- Re: D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Howard Fein on Thu Aug 12 13:40:44 2010. There was also the track switch at the north end of the Manhattan-boundplatform on the BMT Culver--main line went west to 4th Avenue while the northbound track connection went down the ramp into Church Avenue. Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, NY |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 23:13:14 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 12 15:14:50 2010. What is your source?The D-Types and Standards were still relatively new in 1940, and not in need of replacement but if/when the BMT was going to replace them the Bluebird aesthetic and technology is where they were going to go 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 12 23:48:36 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 12 11:02:19 2010. Gotham Center?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 12 23:52:30 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 23:13:14 2010. Best looking NYC Subway car ever. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Aug 13 07:56:46 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 12 23:52:30 2010. Best looking NYC Subway car ever.Agreed, way ahead of it's time. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:58:30 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 16:48:17 2010. Since the Bluebirds used PCC technology (many of their parts were interchangeable with PCC streetcars), and since Chicago and Toronto had sizeable PCC streetcar fleets, you can understand the rationale. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 13 17:25:32 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 12 23:48:36 2010. heh.Yeah, it's really a stupid name. "Gotham" has always been Manhattan. They should have called it something else. Now everybody will know that QP Station was the Batcave all along. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 13 17:53:42 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Fri Aug 13 07:56:46 2010. Ironically, more modern than anything the MTA bought, until the 1960's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Aug 13 17:55:35 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by BMTLines on Thu Aug 12 23:13:14 2010. It's hard to say what the BMT would have done in the mid 1960's. Given the BMT's embracement of new technology, I doubt it would have gone for a PCC based car. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 13 18:48:22 2010, in response to BMT Bluebirds (Compartment Cars) was: Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Ed Alfonsin on Thu Aug 12 22:32:47 2010. To me, it looks like its entering DeKalb northbound on the tunnel track which was also the Brighton track at the time. |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 13 18:50:57 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 07:58:30 2010. The first Chicago PCC rapid transit cars were the articulated units and the design closely resembled that of the Bluebirds minus the mirrors and mohair seats. The postwar PCC technology also utilized all electric brakes instead of the electro - pneumatic brakes that the Bluebird had. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 23:19:07 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 13 18:50:57 2010. The Bluebirds were prewar units, so that would make sense. Postwar PCCs were all-electric everything. |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Aug 15 07:36:44 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Randyo on Fri Aug 13 18:50:57 2010. It would be nice to see a movie of the Bluebird in action, are there any recorded does anyone know ? thanks. Karl M |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 15 18:40:53 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 13 23:19:07 2010. Not all postwar PCCs were all electric. The last PCC cars built in the US were the Boston picture window cars and they were air electric. |
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Posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 15 18:42:33 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Aug 15 07:36:44 2010. The video "Streamlining Chicago" has a few brief views of the Bluebird being tested on the Sea Beach middle and what I believe is entering DeKalb Av N/B. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 15 18:48:03 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 15 18:40:53 2010. I stand corrected. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Sun Aug 15 19:18:26 2010, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Randyo on Sun Aug 15 18:40:53 2010. The last order for PCC cars was in 1951. The "baby tens" in San Francisco. |
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Posted by baron34gr on Tue Jan 11 16:37:36 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Wed Aug 11 23:09:39 2010. I realize that this thread is almost 12 years old, but I had to respond. I lived 1 block north of Queensboro Plaza from 1956 to 1971, and I had a clear view of the station and all the trains. My hobby was watching and cataloging all the different car types that passed through the station. (D-types, Standards, R12s, R15s, and then WF R33s and R36s beginning late in 1963).I definitely did see IND R types running to this station and out to Astoria. However, it was not a regular occurrence. I believe that the connection from the 60th St tunnel to the IND Jamaica line (later used by EE trains) used to flood after heavy rains. In those cases, the R types would be re-routed out to Astoria until conditions in the tunnel improved. I don't have any proof of this outside of my own observance. |
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Posted by baron34gr on Tue Jan 11 17:13:29 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Aug 11 08:07:05 2010. I don't believe the Standards could outrun the Triplexes. The triplexes had more powerful motors and (just from personal experience) they seemed faster. I believe that they were used mainly in express service because of their faster speed.I rode both types very often in the 50s and early 60s, and I believe that the fastest subway rides I ever experienced were on Triplexes on the Brighton Express in the Brooklyn open cut, returning to Queens from a day at Coney Island. Just my opinion of course. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 18:51:09 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by baron34gr on Tue Jan 11 16:37:36 2022.  
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 11 19:02:06 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by baron34gr on Tue Jan 11 17:13:29 2022. Triplexes definitely faster than theStandards which moaned, groaned and were fast downhill. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 11 19:22:25 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 18:51:09 2022. The top picture was taken before the conversion. The bottom picture was taken after. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 19:34:38 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 11 19:22:25 2022. The top picture was taken before the conversion. The bottom picture was taken after.Yes, you can tell that the rails are rusty in the bottom pic. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Jan 11 20:41:08 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 19:34:38 2022. Yes, you can tell that the rails are rusty in the bottom pic.My clue was that the R1 was going into the south side of the station. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 12 14:10:17 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 18:51:09 2022. The lower picture is great. Does anyone know exactly what tracks went where? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 12 14:30:09 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 12 14:10:17 2022. I do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 15:27:19 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jan 11 18:51:09 2022. Top picture R-1 #170 just arrived from Manhattan and the motor man is cleaning out before a relay? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 12 15:29:16 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Aug 11 08:07:05 2010. The Standards weighed 94,000+ pounds and had a top speed of 41mph on level ground. I doubt if they could outrun the Triplexes. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jan 12 15:47:28 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Aug 11 08:07:05 2010. That is correct. After October 1949 the north (BMT) half of Queensboro Plaza was abandoned after the BMT subway trains were rerouted to the IRT side. |
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