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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 16:59:56 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Feb 5 11:36:48 2010. I would not like it, however, I also know in this case it's far from the end of the world.This combo line benefits far more people than those who lose V service at 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 17:04:47 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 01:46:31 2010. As said, it's because he DOESN'T WANT TO THINK SO!He just does not get how the new V improves service for many people. Speaking of the new line, one thing I would be looking at for instance if the C is on a G.O. on the weekends (and the V normally would only be a shuttle between Myrtle-Metropolitan) would be to have the V extended and replace the C going uptown. That would be a perfect way to test whether weekend service is warranted on the new V. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 5 17:20:57 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 17:04:47 2010. I keep thinking how the V would improve service for G riders if they had built a Union Ave station and closed Hewes and Lorimer. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Feb 5 18:44:14 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 16:59:56 2010. This combo line benefits far more people than those who lose V service at 2nd Avenue.Do you have any evidence that proves your statment such as statistics? |
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Re: Will ridership increase with the M/V train merger. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 5 18:58:05 2010, in response to Re: Will ridership increase with the M/V train merger., posted by 33rd Street on Wed Feb 3 23:00:28 2010. Yup. There will be lots of those on the train. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 19:32:28 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 5 17:20:57 2010. That I agree:Sure, some would complain, but if it mean an in-system transfer to the G, it would definitely have been worth doing. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 5 20:03:08 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 19:32:28 2010. Lorimer seems close enough, would it be feasible to just extend the stairs from the G up to the El, and extend a walkway on the south side to the Lorimer Station? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 23:25:46 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Feb 5 18:44:14 2010. Do you have any evidence that it doesn't..outside of the fact that you will lose your beloved V train waiting for you?It's a wonder how you manage on the weekends,when it isn't running..or before it even began service.. I mean seriously..this is beyond ridiculous now.You've had F service at THAT STATION since 1940...and you will CONTINUE to have F SERVICE far into the future..while Eastern Division riders WON'T HAVE SERVICE to South Brooklyn anymore, something we've had since the Centre St subway opened...meaning I will lose MY ONE SEAT RIDE. Which would I rather have more? I'd rather have the option of UPTOWN AND DOWNTOWN service...rather than making several transfers to get where I need to go..Backtracking. You see,son..the MTA is finally doing us a favor..creating something that will be USEFUL to it riders,without being redundant.. I KNOW this very hard for to digest..its like someone coming to play in YOUR personal playpen..without being invited..but tolerated..perhaps due to some since of misguide honor that You are doing US a favor by ALLOWING US to ride with you. I don't like the service cuts anymore than you do..perhaps less so..as it will slice and dice subway AND bus lines in my nab. Cuts HURT people...much more than it will help the MTA. As it stands..these cuts will hurt my neighborhood much more than yours...so for what its worth..you have NOTHING TO WHINE about compared to North Brooklyn residences. I know you will continue to play this game..but if you REALLY OBJECT to the service changes..go directly to the MTA with your complaint LIKE I,and I sure OTHERS,will. It may not do much.or help at all..but at least I know They will have heard my VOICE and MY ANGER... Maybe you should think about that. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Feb 5 23:46:56 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 5 20:03:08 2010. For the moment, they should at least have a metrocard transfer. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Fri Feb 5 23:55:39 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 23:25:46 2010. I'm going to say this in big bold letters for you to understand:JESUS FUCKIN' CHRIST. If you were in my shoes you will feel the same way as me. In addition, if you and/or Wallyhorse doesn't give me anything FACTUAL such as statistics, I'm not going to believe anything you say. Besides, why did you stick your nose where it didn't belong? |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 00:17:48 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Feb 5 23:46:56 2010. That is a definite. An OOS transfer to the G woulds be a really good idea. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 6 00:24:12 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 00:17:48 2010. It's a shame that there are places in Brooklyn that really needs OOS xfers and would get better use, than 63rd-Lex. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 6 02:32:02 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Fri Feb 5 23:55:39 2010. Understand this...By resorting to such an outburst..you have shown me exactly what and WHO you are... A CHILD THROWING a tantrum..a peion surrounded by dukes and princes..a little man bitch in a room full of MEN. What "shoes" are you referring to..? The "shoes" you'll be using to walk to where ever you have to go if thing don't go your way...? Or the "shoes" that you deserve planted firmly in your ass because you can't seem to cope well with others? Also..who the fuck do you think you are that WE have to prove any damn thing to you? You should be ever so lucky that you could even bask in our fucking glory!Do You think I GIVE TOO SHITS IF YOU BELIEVE ANYTHING I SAY? This IS a MESSAGE BOARD,ASSHOLE..where OPEN DISCUSSION takes place.. This IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL PLAY GROUND. If I need to communicate with YOU like you were some bitchass street punk..then that's fine with me...but I'd rather not unless YOU take it there. Again..I'll say whatever the hell I want, when I want, to whom I want. YOU Can't deal.. That's your problem. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 6 02:56:29 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 5 15:11:46 2010. Did you really expect him to? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Feb 6 09:21:18 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 6 02:56:29 2010. No not really kid is in his own little world... |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 10:46:01 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sat Feb 6 02:32:02 2010. Have it your way. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Feb 6 12:28:07 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 5 23:25:46 2010. Right on the money. From October 1967 to December 2001 (34 years), the 2nd Avenue station was served solely by the F train 24 hours a day. For 34 years, people got along just fine at 2nd Avenue with just the F train. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 6 12:42:07 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 3 21:28:42 2010. Lets see, Current M riders looking for midtown will stay on the V while J riders looking for midtown, especially if they know the V skips 2nd Avenue will likely just stay on the platform at Essex and take the V there.Yes and no. I expect J and Z riders to still (mostly) x-fer to the F at Essex since it runs more frequently and old habits are hard to break. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 13:08:43 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Feb 6 12:28:07 2010. Just for the record, the area around 2nd Avenue has seen a noticible population growth in the last six years. You have Avalon Chrystie & Bowery Place (huge buildings I might add) and of course The Ludlow on Ludlow and Houston Streets. In addition, tourists use that station to go to Katz Delicatessen (its noted that is mostly tourists who go there). Try doing a bit of research to see how things changed where 2nd Avenue station is. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 13:55:08 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 13:08:43 2010. And guess what:A lot of the time the tourists go to Katz's Deli, only the F is running there. As for the new buildings, I'll give you that, but I lived for 15 years in the densest part of Manhattan (Upper East Side) with only the 6 train at 77th/Lex in my case, so I have little sympathy for your losing the V when you still have the F. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Feb 6 14:03:06 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 6 00:24:12 2010. They should at least do OOS transfers for:Lavonia Ave and Junus street. Hoyt Ave & Hoyt-Schemerhorn Fulton Street/Lafyette Ave & Atlantic Ave/Pacific Street |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Feb 6 14:21:07 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Feb 6 12:28:07 2010. And before that it was the (D) train.ROAR |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Feb 6 16:25:45 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 13:08:43 2010. That's wonderful how much the area has changed and grown, but people who live and visit the area have gotten along just fine for the past seven years with just the F stopping there late nights and weekends. The V doesn't run late nights or weekends and never has. Strange how you don't seem to have a problem with that.Also, much of the area's growth and change began years before the V went into service. Providing additional 2nd Avenue at Houston Street was never the MTA's purpose for implementing the V train. Their purpose was to funnel some Queens Boulevard express riders away from 53rd Street. They accomplished that by rerouting the F train into the newer 63rd Street tunnel and running the V through the 53rd St tunnel, which had the added side benefit of allowing some Queens Boulevard local riders direct service to the busy 53rd Street corridor. The only reason the V terminates at 2nd Avenue is because that is the only place to terminate it in Manhattan without fouling up B and D service. By the way, the neighborhood map on The Ludlow's own web site shows the building to be about the same distance away from Essex & Delancey as it is from 2nd Avenue. So the Ludlow's tenants can still catch the V train at Essex, if the MTA does decide to extend the V over the Williamsburg Bridge. Essex may be a little further away, but it ain't that much further away (I know, I've walked it). |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:48:38 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 13:55:08 2010. A lot of the time the tourists go to Katz's Deli, only the F is running there.False. I see plenty of tourists there during the times when the V is running. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Feb 6 16:25:45 2010. Just to let you know, the V is currently the most reliable line that serves Queens Boulevard. By implementing the M-V combo, expect the V line to be unreliable due to the delays the Willamsburg Bridge faces as well as those timers s/o Marcy Avenue. In addition, the reason why the F is so crowded into Delancey Street is due to the amount of people who get on s/o Jay Street & n/o Church Avenue. Since the whole M-V combo has been brought up, I'm more open to the V going to Church Avenue for three reasons:1. The V will continue to serve 2nd Avenue 2. The F line will be less crowded 3. Park Slope needs far more help than Middle Village and Ridgewood |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:58:04 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Feb 6 14:03:06 2010. Lavonia Ave and Junus street.A free transfer is being proposed right now for those two stations. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 6 17:00:50 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by N6 Limited on Fri Feb 5 20:03:08 2010. If I remember from the last time I was there, Hewes St is closer to Bway on the G than Lorimer. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Feb 6 17:54:48 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:58:04 2010. Proff? |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 20:05:09 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Feb 6 17:54:48 2010. Go to page 19. |
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Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 6 21:21:52 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 20:05:09 2010. Finally! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 23:48:12 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:48:38 2010. I'm sure you have:My point was, tourist also go there when the V isn't running, chiefly on weekends. You just don't like the fact you're losing YOUR being able to sit on a V train at second avenue and now will have to stand on an F train that likely will be LESS crowded at 2nd Avenue as it will not longer be picking up many of the J/M riders, who instead of switching the F at Essex-Delancey will now stay on the V or switch to the V at Essex. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 23:59:54 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 6 23:48:12 2010. Believe what you want to believe in because you know for a fact that I proved you wrong and you failed to do the same. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 00:22:23 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 23:59:54 2010. You didn't prove anything except you have a problem with a brain that keeps exploding on you . . . |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 00:58:06 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 00:22:23 2010. You seems to be in denial that I proved more credibility in this thread than ever before. So please, I don't want to hear it. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 02:15:01 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 00:58:06 2010. But you haven't proven anything in this thread.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Feb 7 02:21:09 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 02:15:01 2010. The only thing that anyone has proved in several threads with different names but the same topic is that the M/V combo thing means TOO MUCH to some people. Feh. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 03:02:25 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 00:58:06 2010. You're going to blow up your spinal cord next, so you won't be able to get any more brain replacements . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 03:16:24 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Feb 7 02:21:09 2010. Well, like the OP said, post your comments . . . |
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Re: TEAR DOWN LOWER EAST SIDE-2ND AVE TERMINAL |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 03:17:00 2010, in response to Re: TEAR DOWN LOWER EAST SIDE-2ND AVE TERMINAL, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Feb 4 04:49:16 2010. Shovel, shovel, shovel . . . |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 03:24:12 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 03:02:25 2010. LOL!!! |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 03:24:49 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 02:15:01 2010. You really need to read every single post I've made in this thread. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 04:00:16 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Feb 7 02:15:01 2010. I did & it sounds like "poor me".I'm no fan of this merger either, but you're just sounding stupid & selfish. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:54:14 2010, in response to Re: G transfer from Broadway-Brooklyn line, posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Feb 6 21:21:52 2010. And VERY long overdue:In 1983-'84, I used to ride the L to Rockaway Parkway to get to school and wondered why we never had that transfer to the 3 (4 overnights and Sunday AM). That transfer is one that is sorely needed there. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:55:52 2010, in response to Re: Will ridership increase with the M/V train merger., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 15:54:51 2010. Right!The folks at the MTA probably know that a lot of people looking for midtown get off at Essex-Delancey to get the F at present. That will change when the V starts going to Essex for reasons already well noted in this thread. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 05:02:54 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Feb 6 12:42:07 2010. Some will still do that until they get a morning where the V is right behind the J and just wait on the platform at Essex and take that, realizing the V is one less stop going up to midtown as there is no stop at 2nd Avenue on the new V as opposed to the F.Even without that, ex-M riders who made the transfer to the F at Essex-Delancey will simply stay on the V (unless they are taking the F in the opposite direction to East Broadway OR are specifically looking for 57th or 63rd-Lex, a transfer that can also be made at 47-50), and that alone will make for fewer passengers on the F when it gets to 2nd Avenue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 08:28:25 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010. What "delays" does the bridge face?I use it damn near everyday..and never had a problem in all the years I've used the service. Also..you must not know much about how the F line is operated.. At 15 trains an hour during rush..you'd get a train every 3 minutes in EACH DIRECTION..unless there is a DELAY along the route. In any case..because you cannot find FACTUAL reasons as to why the V shouldn't be changed..you create lies. whatevah... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 08:38:22 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 03:24:49 2010. Why?They all say the same thing... "Wahhh" |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 08:55:31 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010. expect the V line to be unreliable due to the delays the Willamsburg Bridge faces as well as those timers s/o Marcy Avenue.I work the J Line 5 days a week and young man you have NO idea what you are talking about... None... |
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Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010. By implementing the M-V combo, expect the V line to be unreliable due to the delays the Willamsburg Bridge faces as well as those timers s/o Marcy AvenueI've worked the J/M/Z more times than you've gone to the bathroom and I've never been delayed on the Williamsburg Bridge due to congestion. Now you're just making stuff up. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 09:04:57 2010, in response to Re: Junius-Livonia transfer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:54:14 2010. there use to be a stairwell from the MEZ that connected to the overpass leading to the L line at livonia avenue/Powell st. |
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