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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 09:06:44 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010.

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Of coruse he is i have been on that Line for 4 bloody picks already myself.




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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:11:47 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 09:06:44 2010.

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I know, and I've been working the J/M/Z (more often the J/Z) on a fairly decent basis since 1994. Maybe 33rd knows something that we don't?

NOT!

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 09:13:50 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:11:47 2010.

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As i said in this same thread this young man is in his own little world...


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 09:14:07 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010.

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exactly what I've been telling him.

he's so against this service change,hes LYING now about it.
I mean he was ALWAYS lying..but he upped the ante'....

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 09:18:05 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 09:14:07 2010.

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Dont worry some kind of "spin" response should be coming...

Its not like we havent seen it here before...

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Re: Junius-Livonia transfer

Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Sun Feb 7 10:36:28 2010, in response to Re: Junius-Livonia transfer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:54:14 2010.

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it wouldnt even take that long to put a transfer there. They can at least implement an OOS transfer

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 11:21:30 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010.

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LMAO, owned!

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 11:28:26 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010.

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Geez first it was the need for customers at 2nd ave.

Now it's the Williamsburg Bridge timers.

What next? A conga line from Metropolitan all the way down to Central Ave???????????????????

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Re: Junius-Livonia transfer

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 7 11:42:41 2010, in response to Re: Junius-Livonia transfer, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 04:54:14 2010.

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SAFETY.

The LION has heard that this is not the safest of places, and a transfer there would seem to be an open invitation for miscreants to miscreate.

ROAR


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 11:44:24 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 5 16:59:56 2010.

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Wallyhorse - I know (and maybe everybody knows) that you are an enthusiatic supporter of the M-V combination, you have stated your reasons several times. To me that is fine. The M/V route is not the particular point of this message.

However the MTA's cuts, service changes and service eliminations that the MTA is making will affect other folks, and some folks in a heavy way. There is no "spin" that one can put on this to make it pleasant, that is a basic fact - acknowledge it.

I said before in message that might have been passed over, that folks will be angry with the MTA for the various service changes, service cuts and service eliminations. Folks have a right to their anger, they do not have to like, support or be mollified by what the MTA is doing.

To me at least, it makes no logical sense when talking to a person who knows that they are going to suffer by a service change, or cut or service elimination - to promote the benefits of one of the service changes. Even if that change benefits other folk, but not the one or ones you are talking to.

To keep trying to convince a person who feels that they will suffer under the MTA's service cuts, changes and eliminations - "well that other folk will benefit" - "so you should be happy". Besides being NOT LOGICAL, does not respond to their feelings, and in fact makes the discussion un-productive with name-calling and other negative stuff.

As I said before - when the G-train route was shortened, when the F-train begain to travel via 63rd Street, when the direct Sixth Avenue service stopped (B-train) on weekends --- plenty of folks expressed their displeasure. They were not happy, and they have a right to express that!

It costs nothing to acknowledge that plenty of folks will be upset or angry about the MTA's service cuts, changes and eliminations, it is not a sign of dishonor to do so. In fact it is a sign of maturity to understand and acknowledge that some folks will not benefit from something that you heartily propose, and in fact may have a harder situation because of your ideas.

Stepping off my soapbox.
Mike


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 7 11:53:24 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sat Feb 6 16:56:27 2010.

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Look.

Everybody knows that bridges are slow.
Ergo, if they are slow they are off schedule.
Ergo, if they are off schedule the whole world will be off schedule.

Furthermore, Everybody knows that TUNNELS are better than Bridges.
Everybody knows that Tunnels are FASTER than Bridges
Ergo, it is easier to keep schedules through tunnels
Ergo, all the trains would always run on time if they all ran through tunnels.

THEREFORE, since EVERYBIDY knows this, it makes perfect sense that people would rather ride through the Montegue Tunnel instead of going over the Manhattan Bridge. And everybody else would rather go through the Rutgers tunnel than to go over the Manhattan Bridge.

Where *are* these people, the LION is hungry and wants a mid-morning snack.

ROAR

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Feb 7 12:09:50 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 11:44:24 2010.

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Mike:

I realize where you're coming from, but I'm looking at the big picture here.

There is a reason I mentioned this as much as I have (along with others), and that is the fact the benefits outweight the negatives by a LOT. As I also noted, I know where 33rd Street is coming from, however, as I used to have that back in the '80s with the 6 (4 overnights) at 77th/Lex being the lone train I could take. That's why I had little sympathy for 33rd Street's situation as I had the same deal with the 6 for many years that he had with the F in the pre-V days.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 7 12:39:29 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Michael549 on Sun Feb 7 11:44:24 2010.

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I'm not jumping for joy over service cuts. I'd prefer if they went off the table, even if it meant that a (V)/(M) merger doesn't happen.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by R30A on Sun Feb 7 12:41:46 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 7 12:39:29 2010.

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I am. These cuts are EXACTLY what is needed. Cutting back when short on money allows for institution of new, FUNCTIONAL services when the funding situation gets better. Evolutionary principles at work! Go natural selection!

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 13:02:25 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 11:28:26 2010.

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Uh-oh.



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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 7 13:19:51 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by R30A on Sun Feb 7 12:41:46 2010.

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To each his own.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:23:43 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010.

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Gee, how long have you worked for the TA?

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:25:17 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 08:55:31 2010.

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Well I know plenty of T/O's who have been with the TA since the 1980's. I would rather take their word over yours.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 13:40:56 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:23:43 2010.

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Going on 17 years, all with RTO.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:44:28 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:25:17 2010.

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Well I know plenty of T/O's who have been with the TA since the 1980's. I would rather take their word over yours.

How many T/O you know who work the J Line NOW??

Well??


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 13:45:02 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:23:43 2010.

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How long have YOU worked for the MTA?

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:45:10 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 13:40:56 2010.

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This kid is a piece of work. :o)

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 13:45:45 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:44:28 2010.

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Hey I know two T/Os who work on the J. :-D

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:46:24 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 13:45:02 2010.

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He will never see the inside of a cab unless a T/O lets him in with his attitude..

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:47:15 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 13:45:45 2010.

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Heh ;o)

Let see how many T/O's HE knows...

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 13:47:44 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:46:24 2010.

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Exactly.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 13:53:06 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 13:47:15 2010.

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I know about a thousand thanks to the Pick.

Actually, no. It's more like a thousand know me.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 13:55:09 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:25:17 2010.

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Dude, the guy's been working every single day on the J line for three years now. What could he possibly not know about the J line and its characteristics that another T/O would?

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 7 15:50:37 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:25:17 2010.

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I always wanted to work the (J) line.
Of course I never got to work any line.

Oh well, North Dakota is a nice place to live.
Do youse guys need any snow.

ROARING

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:39:22 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 09:03:55 2010.

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ZMan, that is great news . . . the V train won't get caught in congestion on the Williamsburg Bridge

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 16:40:35 2010, in response to Re: WILL OLOG-HAIIII STOP REMOVING THE TOPIC LABEL AND BE NORMAL?, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Feb 4 10:39:58 2010.

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Looks like it'll be a unique one for teh Subchat.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Zman179 on Sun Feb 7 16:40:54 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Feb 7 15:50:37 2010.

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Do youse guys need any snow

That's ok. We have plenty only a stone throw's away in Philadelphia.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 7 17:03:25 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 03:16:24 2010.

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Scary thing is if he starts another thread, this whole drama will just start all over again with the usual posters.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 17:43:39 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 03:24:49 2010.

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You are beginning to sound like another Brian.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 17:51:01 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 17:43:39 2010.

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Why are you comparing me to Weinberg?

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 18:42:10 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 13:23:43 2010.

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How long have You?

And before you ask..
No I never worked for the MTA..my father did.
I worked for The Running Dog...retired now.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 18:48:41 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 17:51:01 2010.

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So are you going to tell us how many T/O you know work on the J line?

Or are you having problems comprehending the questions Mr Know It All?

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 19:23:26 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 18:48:41 2010.

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Or are you having problems comprehending the questions Mr Know It All?

Take it easy on him. It's not easy to comprehend questions with an exploded head and all . . .

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:35:37 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 18:48:41 2010.

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Or are you having problems comprehending the questions Mr Know It All?

Where did I specifically state that I know it all? Show me prior posts whhere you think I might have said that.

So are you going to tell us how many T/O you know work on the J line?

Did I state that I know them from the J line? The answer is no. I know them from various divisions in the system.

Also, did I put words into your mouth? No. Then you shouldn't do the same to me.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:37:26 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 18:42:10 2010.

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Where did I state that I worked for the TA? I said that I know people that have been with the TA since the 1980's. Stop trying to twist my words.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:37:57 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 18:42:10 2010.

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Where did I state that I worked for the TA? I said that I know people that have been with the TA since the 1980's. Stop trying to twist my words.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 19:55:09 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:35:37 2010.

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Where did I specifically state that I know it all? Show me prior posts whhere you think I might have said that.

Cough cough sarcasm...

Did I state that I know them from the J line? The answer is no. I know them from various divisions in the system.

T/O who works on ONE Line>>>>>>>>T/O's (probally extra) from various Lines in the system who dont work one line.

Also, did I put words into your mouth? No. Then you shouldn't do the same to me.

See frist reply you have a lot to learn...


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 19:57:40 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:37:57 2010.

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Photobucket

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 20:03:14 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 7 19:23:26 2010.

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You mean meltdown is imminent???

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Sun Feb 7 20:13:30 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Broadway Buffer on Sun Feb 7 02:21:09 2010.

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HA HA LOL!

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sun Feb 7 20:47:00 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Railman718 on Sun Feb 7 19:57:40 2010.

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LOL, I SEE DEAD 2ND AVENUE STATION.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 21:41:03 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Sun Feb 7 19:37:57 2010.

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Look..don't think I'm being hard on you just because...
I'm not..not really.
I know you believe in what you're saying..I believe you Too..

Service cuts hurt riders...and workers.

I believe this service revision is a bandaide on the big world of hurt coming our way..taking away our south Brooklyn service but..giving us BACK something we had years ago.

The upcoming public hearings will be our forum[besides THIS PLACE]to voice our objections..

If I were you..I'd go to every meeting I could..and let my voice be heard.


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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sun Feb 7 21:54:18 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 21:41:03 2010.

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Agreed.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Feb 8 00:48:58 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by Edwards! on Sun Feb 7 21:41:03 2010.

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I see what you mean. To be a man, I'm going to take your word. In the meantime, I'll be buzy sharing tons of photos that I've taken and subsequently have yet to post.

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Re: Essex-Delancey Station

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Feb 8 01:06:55 2010, in response to Re: Essex-Delancey Station, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Feb 8 00:48:58 2010.

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You don't have to take my word for YOU to "be a man"...
You CAN take my word on it due to the fact that I hate ANY SERVICE CUTS..Even though THIS particular service change will offer a something we really need..it will take away MORE than they are giving..and we JUST CAN'T HAVE THAT.

Take a stand on THIS issue because of how strongly you believe it will affect you and riders from your neighborhood.

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