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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:29:38 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:01:22 2009. Also, the area around LIRR's Riverhead station may be the most decrepit of all of the areas around any of their stations.The LIRR could change that though, there are more "undesirables" at the Riverhead station currently than LIRR riders! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:30:24 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:18:09 2009. You're right I forgot about that, my mistake. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:32:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:19:59 2009. You can't end a train at Mineola without tying up the Main Line. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:34:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:23:49 2009. It's not cheaper if you are taveling from a place like Riverhead to let's say "Central Islip". It's probably faster and cheaper to take your car, even rush hours, as traffic to and from Riverhead is not all that bad. It's only west of about Islip that road traffic becomes unbarable at rush hours.It depends on the vehicle, but I still stand by what I said in that the Railroad is cheaper in most places. Also, you haven't addressed how the people are getting from the "Central Islip" train station to the work site. Suffolk Transit, or in the case of Deer Park and Bethpage walking. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:35:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:26:28 2009. But there's still a significant amount of people in the Hamptons that live there and commute to Manhattan. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:35:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 19:45:41 2009. I thought Orient Point was where the original ferry to New England was to be, as the Main Line was originally built to connect to Boston, the line thru LI being an afterthought. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:35:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:32:22 2009. You can't end a train at Mineola without tying up the Main Line.It depends on the time of day. During much, but not all, of the off-peak it is easy enough to schedule in, assuming timetable is adhered to. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:38:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 20:51:18 2009. You're the one who narrowed it down to "blue collar workers in Riverhead".Not at all, Riverhead is where the population is and a long of blue-collar folk that want to save money on gas would take the railroad there. And I still don't believe they (from Riverhead) would take the train to Central Islip, Deer Park, Hicksville, and Bethpage even with a slightly better service. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:38:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:27:31 2009. Oh come on, it's not "that" bad.......It's not awful, but it's not the thing that's going to inspire confidence in people, shoppers particularly. I'm having trouble thinking of an area served by LIRR that's sketchier seeming. Far Rock, I guess. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:39:32 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:29:38 2009. there are more "undesirables" at the Riverhead station currently than LIRR riders!Yes! That's basically my point. The presence of undesirables at and right around the station. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:40:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 21:17:32 2009. This has been a very fun, non flaming, and informative on topic thread.Amen! |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:42:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 13 21:29:06 2009. Which only proves my point. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:42:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Apr 13 21:21:04 2009. Of course, the reason for this lack of crowding is scarcely a good reason.True. Do you know of some/many refugees from KO to, say, Central Islip? |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:59:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 20:47:43 2009. His use of "a lot", "lots", "huge number", "huge demand", "significant amount" and other number exaggerating phrases have been known to diminish as the discussion evolves. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:07:35 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:32:22 2009. I said during the day....that means off peak. it could be done those hours. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:08:20 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:59:04 2009. Still biting on my ankles huh Wado lol. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:09:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:35:25 2009. You are right in the second part of your paragraph, but the first part should say Greenport, not Orient Point...... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:11:32 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:38:11 2009. Well late on in post #770127 I figured that the discussion was then about where people commute to as that was what I was talking about in the post #770082 that you responded to in post #770110. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:12:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:19:53 2009. Which "it's"? I mentioned three. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:17:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:11:32 2009. I think most people reading the thread will disagree. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:20:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:34:02 2009. Suffolk Transit, or in the case of Deer Park and Bethpage walking.Oh come now, walking? Where are they walking to on Industrial Blvd in Deer Park, the miniature golf course? And Bethpage? Do you think every worker in Riverhead is lucky enough to work right at the station Plaza in Bethpage? As for cheaper, I don't see how it's possible. I drive an SUV, and it costs me about $15-20 to drive round trip to Manhattan from Central Suffolk. It would be a lot cheaper between Riverhead and Central Islip. The Railroad costs me $13.50 each way, thus $27.00 round trip. It's cheaper to drive. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:20:38 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:08:20 2009. Well make posts that make more sense then. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:21:32 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 21:38:11 2009. And I still don't believe they (from Riverhead) would take the train to Central Islip, Deer Park, Hicksville, and Bethpage even with a slightly better service.I totally agree with you. it's very easy to drive from Riverhead to anywhere on Long Island, so long as you aren't going west of about Islip. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:23:07 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:35:01 2009. Not as many as if you are comparing to west of there. It's not "significant". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:27:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:39:32 2009. LOL, but truly, train stations seem to attract that sort of element, and I don't know why. Spend enough time at any station, and you will find that. I have come accross that sort at Mineola, Patchougue, Bellport, Sayville, Mastic Shirley, Hicksville, Jamaica, Riverhead, Ronkonkoma, and just about any station I have ever used truth be told. There's something about train stations that attract that sort of element. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:30:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 21:24:01 2009. Agreed, but that is typical, so......Unfotunately, every time I think he is actually acting like an edult, and mistakenly engage him, and have conversation/debate with him, and then of course, eventually the jizz goes flying. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:32:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:20:02 2009. Oh come now, walking? Where are they walking to on Industrial Blvd in Deer Park, the miniature golf course? And Bethpage?The sidewalk lol. Bethpage workers also have the option of taking the N80 at the Hicksville station. As for cheaper, I don't see how it's possible. I drive an SUV, and it costs me about $15-20 to drive round trip to Manhattan from Central Suffolk. It would be a lot cheaper between Riverhead and Central Islip. The Railroad costs me $13.50 each way, thus $27.00 round trip. It's cheaper to drive. I don't see that being possible with gas prices being involved in a case of someone commuting from say Riverhead to Deer Park by car. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:34:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:23:07 2009. It's very significant, ask Hampton Jitney to back this up. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:36:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 21:35:01 2009. But there's still a significant amount of people in the Hamptons that live there and commute to Manhattan.Okay but don't think that their commute is like the usual daily grind for most. Pretty much you're talking about weekend commuters, in that they work in New York maybe M-F or M-R or T-F and are away on the east end over the weekend or extended weekend. They don't sell very many Southampton-NYP monthly passes.... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:36:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:20:38 2009. My posts make sense to me most of the time, if you don't understand them then that's fine, but don't think that ankle biting is a way understand them over a more logical and understandable way such as maybe asking me? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:38:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:36:03 2009. I don't know, nor do I care what "type" of commute they have, I just know that the commute that they do does exist. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:43:49 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:27:17 2009. True but Riverhead seems to have a very strong sense of attraction, and as Osmosis Jones aptly put it, the paying customers are very much outnumbered!I just think that if you're trying to sell Riverhead as a shopping destination to shoppers (of course!), you should try to cut down on the vagrant and undesirable population right at the station. I remember that the first time that I saw that scene out there, I was wondering, 'Wow these outlet shoppers sure look disheveled and sketchy, and there are a lot of them. I wonder if there's room for all of them.' And then 5 normal looking people boarded and we were off. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:55:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:36:59 2009. You have to start worrying if the two Chrises, tranisarefun and me, who don't always necessarily agree with each other, all think that there is something wrong about your posts and the only person backing you up is the person who by now only frequents this board to throw his stressed life onto somebody else.Besides, I think I have been pretty straight about your misuses of those phrases. Do I have to remind you that most students of LaGuardia living in Woodside will not use the future LIRR Sunnyside station when they have more frequent cheaper rides on the 7 train? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 13 23:06:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:30:06 2009. Unfotunately, every time I think he is actually acting like an edult, and mistakenly engage him, and have conversation/debate with him, and then of course, eventually the jizz goes flying. You finally admit that it is a mistake to engage him!!! So when are you going to stop engaging him, like I've been saying you (and everyone else) should do for (over?) a year now? Take Pride,
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 23:12:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Apr 13 22:55:25 2009. You have to start worrying if the two Chrises, tranisarefun and me, who don't always necessarily agree with each other, all think that there is something wrong about your posts and the only person backing you up is the person who by now only frequents this board to throw his stressed life onto somebody else.I don't have to start worrying and I'm not worrying. I could care less if the whole board thinks that there's something wrong with my posts as long as they take it up with me in a mature and respectful way, you know, the opposite of how you would typically handle the situation. And don't try to drag others into this, until the said names drop their thoughts into this this is between me and you Mr. Ankle Biter. Besides, I think I have been pretty straight about your misuses of those phrases. Do I have to remind you that most students of LaGuardia living in Woodside will not use the future LIRR Sunnyside station when they have more frequent cheaper rides on the 7 train? Lol, you're on my nuts so hard that you remember incidents that happened two years ago by heart just in case you need to use them on me. You don't need to remind me of anything as for two years I've understood that most LaGuardia students that live in Woodside would use the (7). Any other incidents you want to bring up from 3 years ago? Come on Ankle Biter finish what you started. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 23:24:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 14:40:58 2009. Speonk is mostly beyond most commuters, but of course not all. The main attraction for the railroad for it as a terminal is that there's a yard there. I just don't see many "Hamptons commuters" heading to Speonk.And from an earlier post about what the phrase "Hamptons commuter" means, it is important to discern that, because otherwise it is not ven clear what we are talking about. If a typical Hamptons commuter is, say, like myself two summers ago, who gets on # 2068 at HPA - no way I wanted to take the NYP heat and crowds, that's my ME time, after all! - and heads for a North Fork weekend, and then 'commutes' back on the early Monday AM train out of Greenport, I'm not really the same kind of commuter that one usually thinks of, but a rather different kind of commuter. More like 'the weekender'. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon Apr 13 23:50:08 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 10:46:02 2009. Their Backyards are effectively on the row though. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Tue Apr 14 00:02:29 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by N6 Limited on Mon Apr 13 23:50:08 2009. Hence the political difficulty; I don't think that any of us disputes that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 01:33:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:30:06 2009. Your jizz is far more entertaining. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 02:02:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:43:49 2009. Hire rent a cops to periodically sweep them away! Unleash attack dogs! Check Ids and cite for trespassing! Hire a security car that drives close by them, stomps on the brakes and burns the tires going in reverse while sounding a siren to scare them! Have the guy announce through the PA system "Let me see your hands! Get down on the ground!"OK, I'm not being serious... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 03:25:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 22:20:02 2009. "It's cheaper to drive."Not counting the value of your time and the wear and tear on your car. On the railroad you could be doing something other than driving (ie reading, getting work done, exchanging business cards, talking on your cellphone (unless on a "quiet car") or ?? So you have to decide how your time is best spent. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 03:36:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:16:11 2009. Sometimes the need for rail restoration just isn't there other than the rose colored glasses of railfans.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 03:40:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 03:36:05 2009. Ayup. Or the foam of obsessives with nothing else on their minds... |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 03:46:07 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:38:55 2009. Right it is being used for utility but not for rail or a use that would prevent it from being a hiking/biking trail.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Apr 14 04:09:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 21:35:27 2009. Agreed. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Apr 14 04:44:08 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:31:28 2009. Hehe, not if you drive through it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:09:48 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:32:57 2009. Traffic to Riverhead is usually good, any time of day. Deer Park is not "that" far. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:11:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:34:27 2009. A bus is not a trainload of people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:12:25 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 22:36:03 2009. Ahhh yes, the part he is not understanding, and I kept trying to tell him. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 14 07:14:00 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 22:38:47 2009. But that's all the relevance to the conversation. Many of these people LIVE in Manhattan, and only come out to their Hamptons homes summer, weekends, holidays. Much of the "Hamptons" is second homes for people that LIVE and work in Manhattan. |
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