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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:46:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:41:02 2009. I'm not assuming anything will happen east of Port Jeff other than a nature trail. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:46:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:29:01 2009. I doubt the LIRR would endeavor to electrify east of Riverhead, given the naked contempt it has for this ridership base (3 trains per day each way). I know of no line in the greater NY commuter area that gets less service. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:46:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:32:28 2009. The one seat ride is great when you're a short drive away and the diesel only runs every two hours.I think you are confusing "Eastern Suffolk" service with the Port Jefferson Branch. The Port Jefferson is not Eastern Suffok, and the service is not as bad as it is on the Eastern Suffolk lines, the Mainline East of Ronkonkoma and the Montauk Branch east of Patchogue or more accurately East of Speonk. The Port jefferson Branch west of Huntington has much better service than the Mainline east of Ronkonkoma, and the Montauk Branch east of Patchogue There is no counterpart line on the Port Jefferson line, as the Wading River portion of that line was abandoned, and even Wading River is not "Eastern Suffok". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:48:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:46:13 2009. Yes, Port Jefferson runs almost hourly off-peak service, and has TWO dual mode trains each way into NYP. It's the busiest diesel line outside the Cannonball and seasonal Montauk runs. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:48:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:45:14 2009. Electrify to SmithtownElectrifying to Smithtown is just hare brained. It would be as though Port Washington branch electrification ended at Auburndale, leaving the most heavily used stations with no third rail. Well what does an electrification of the Port Jefferson Branch that ignores Stony Brook do? Same thing. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:50:14 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 11:36:52 2009. Perhaps M-S is poor because the service is, and better LIRR service would bring more affluence into the area.There is no way Mastic, Mastic Beach, or Shirley will ever become "affluent". All three of them were built as summer bungalow communities on small lots. (Mastic and Mastic Beach even more so than Shirley). They are now of course year round communities (and have been for decades), but you can't take shacky summer bungalows, or even newer homes built on small undersized lots, into an "affluent" area. Interestingly, it's very similar housing stock wise as Ronkonkoma, which was developed under similar circumstances. Further, because of it's housing stock, it's a blue collar area, and with that, you will not have the large amount of white collar jobs that use the LIRR for Manhattan from there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:50:54 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:48:55 2009. Agreed. Electrification MUST include Stony Brook, by far the busiest station on the line east of Huntington. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:53:37 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 11:26:37 2009. Wassaic is really a station not for "Wassaic", but for all the north of Dover Plains communities that may need RR service. They drive south to Wassaic. It probably also serves more like a station like Southeast (Formerly Brewster North). Brewster is the real end of "commuter zone" thus a great place to end electrification, but there wasn't room for the necessary lot, yard, etc, so hense "Southeast". Wassaic vs Dover Plains is very similar in the total end of civilization on the next level. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:54:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:50:14 2009. I'm not talking Glen Cove affluence, I'm talking Islip affluence, upper middle class. Better train service improves those chances. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:55:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:03:40 2009. I agree, demand is too centralized at Ronkonkoma, but adding electric capacity at Medford/Yaphank only means moving the point where people get on the same train, which will still arrive in Hicksville crush loaded. The answer lies in providing an alternative which bypasses the Ronkonkoma line altogether, and that means electrifying the north and south shore lines.Yes, I agree on that. Electrification is not to eliminate the crush loads by Hicksville, but to alleviate the "Ronkonkoma problem". That would only be the first step in the problem however. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:56:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:48:02 2009. Port Jeff is better than Montauk or Greenlawn for sure.But not nearly good enough. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:56:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:32:28 2009. That's because of a crappy schedule. If every electric departure from the newly electrified Smithtown had a matching diesel arrival from Port Jeff, including extra diesels at rush hour, you'd see more people hop the diesel instead of driving.LIRR's cost per mile to operate diesel hauled trainsets is rather high, so don't expect that extra service anytime soon. It's not the one seat ride. I wonder if LIRR can get a refund on the 23 DM30s that they ordered, plus all of the money they have since spent to keep the remaining 22 of them on the road to manage 4 dual mode round trips per weekday. Have the diesel run every 30 minutes LIRR simply can't afford to do that. Your claims just completely ignore the benefits of electrification. Couple that to additional drivers trading their cars for the trin Yes because so many people living east of Hicksville live within walking distance of the train and other amenities. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:57:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:50:54 2009. Electrification to Stony Brook would be very good. Also more sidings or a double track to Stony Brook. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:59:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:56:52 2009. "LIRR's cost per mile to operate diesel hauled trainsets is rather high, so don't expect that extra service anytime soon."Shortening the diesel route means fewer trainsets and crews needed and less fuel consumed overall. LIRR would not hesitate. and 30 minute service would be very feasible. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:59:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:37:45 2009. then "Hart Bus" is obviously an anti-LIRR NIMBY. No question about it.His objections are sound. He wants the LIRR to electrify to Port Jefferson. They have little reason to do so with a proper yard in Huntington. The difficulty with deadheading to Huntington is one of the few fires lighting a bit of a burn under LIRR's ass to get with the program and into the 20th century. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 13:01:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:59:53 2009. His objections are ridiculous."The difficulty with deadheading to Huntington is one of the few fires lighting a bit of a burn under LIRR's ass to get with the program and into the 20th century. " No, that's called "foaming," not railroading. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:01:46 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:53:37 2009. I always thought "Southeast" was constructed only as a place to act as a transfer point for diesels and electrics, like MSU on the Montclair-Boonton line. There's not much around Southeast, it's a glorified P&R. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:02:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:46:13 2009. Same thought here; I was just opining that if they ever got out there, which I doubt very much, they should really finish it off. But it is the lowest priority in terms of electrification. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:03:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 12:55:52 2009. I'd rather see the money and effort in this electrification put towards full electrificattion to Port Jefferson. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:04:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:54:43 2009. I'm not talking Glen Cove affluence, I'm talking Islip affluence, upper middle class.So you don't know the City of Glen Cove too well, do you? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:05:44 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 11:47:24 2009. Speonk is overkill, and too far. Mastic Shirley makes sense.Ending electrification at Mastic-Shirley makes no sense when the yard is in Speonk, and when there's no more room to add parking space in Mastic-Shirley unless you move the station somewhere which wouldn't make sense at all. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:06:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 13:01:13 2009. If you spoke to actual railroaders, you would know that is precisely why LIRR desires to site a yard in Huntington.Where do you suppose that the EMUs coming there originate from? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:08:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:05:44 2009. Electrification to M-S is a non-starter anyway, it's just too far for too little. I only advocate doing so from Babylon to somewhere in the Sayville/Patchouge area, where stations are closer together and a more suburban schedule can be justified (look at how much more diesel service runs west of Patchouge than east of it). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:08:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 12:45:15 2009. While some commuters may have patronized those KO establishments, their numbers certainly weren't anything like the numbers now. That said, however, some percentage of that much smaller ridership number is larger, perhaps far larger, than the almost zero fraction of the much larger ridership number currently seen.Most of those stores were vacant with in a couple years of Ronkonkoma becoming mayhem. While they survived prior, they died after. The stores are widely vacant, and the few stores occupying is a dive bar (that has been one incarnation after another), and a business like that would be effected by the station either way. There's nothing there around the station, and what little was there, got worse. In Ronkonkoma, what has mostly changed is that land that was meadow and bush is now covered with asphalt. Atop the asphalt though are not businesses and homes but....cars. Correct, and that is as I was saying "just the station are itself". The community itself hasn't changed much at all. The big changes in Nassau and Suffolk have largely been demographically driven changes in population, e.g., Brentwood/Central Islip, based more on the affordability of housing stock than what LIRR did or didn't do. Absolutely, that is correct. The population shifts in Central Islip and Brentwood is mainly caused by the "Hispanicization" of those towns, which started well before the LIRR came to town. It was based on affordability, not anything the lIRR did or didn't do. Again, Wyandanch is the same crappy neighborhood it always was. Deer Park may have shifted too, as it's one of the last "affodable" yet good and stable working class neighborhoods that far west. it's probably very similar demographically to Shirley, although with better housing stock. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:12:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:08:41 2009. Again, Wyandanch is the same crappy neighborhood it always was.I don't know why you always say that for, I've busfanned to Wyandanch plenty of times and the people there are nice and helpful. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:12:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:04:16 2009. What, it's not affluent? Certainly looks like it it, especially around Sea Cliff. I always thought Roslyn was the cutoff between the middle class and the upper class on the OB line ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:12:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:07:59 2009. They follow the population explosion and shift for many parts of Suffolk County, regardless of electrification and a trend that had begun even before electrification. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 13:12:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:06:55 2009. As I said, "foaming."Decisions on how/when/where to electrify are multifactorial. They can get blocked by single-issue constituents. NIMBY is a single-ossue thing, even if some of the NIMBYS dishonestly argue other "points." On this website, foaming often takes over, as in your case. But its adverse effect is limited to making the foamer a less effective transit advocate. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:14:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:02:36 2009. It's a lot of mileage with little ridership (I hear there are less than 20 monthly passes regularly sold from Mattituck, Southold and Greenport to the City Terminal zone combined). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:14:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:07:59 2009. Farmingdale really stopped growing around 1980 when most of the land was developed. The increase in more recent years has been on par with the rest of Suffolk's developed areas in general:Historical populations Census Pop. %± 1930 629 — 1940 609 −3.2% 1950 755 24.0% 1960 959 27.0% 1970 1,148 19.7% 1980 1,348 17.4% 1990 1,462 8.5% 2000 1,587 8.5% Est. 2007 1,576 [3] −0.7% |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:15:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:12:03 2009. In any event, it hasn't changed in the wake of electrification. It's relatively the same prior to 1987 as after. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:17:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:12:47 2009. Perhaps, you're in a better position to know being an eyewitness. All I can do is look at numbers. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:18:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:14:16 2009. The Ronkonkoma line east of Greenport seems like the Waterbury branch, the furthest destination most people from those stations would commute to is probably Mineola and I think that's even pushing it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:19:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:12:03 2009. Here's a situation where the color of both you and Chris might affect how this town is viewed. I also think Wyandanch looks like a dump. That might be because of my own personal biases and the demographics of Wyandanch itself. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:21:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:12:27 2009. What, it's not affluent?No, not all of Glen Cove is affluent. Think of it this way - they are officially a 'City'. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:22:19 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 13:06:55 2009. Hillside, deadheading. Aside from the handful which lay up at that siding west of Huntington. The trains usually form a conga line from east of Syossett. It really affects reverse peak service. That 7:07 AM diesel out of Huntington is usually crush loaded when Stony Brook is open. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:24:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:37:45 2009. If NIMBY is the primary issue (I accept your argument that demand is already there) then "Hart Bus" is obviously an anti-LIRR NIMBY. No question about it.Perhaps, but of course then that's a topic other than the post of mine you disagreed with. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:25:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:18:28 2009. Or they drive to Ronkonkoma, like everyone else. There is talk of a direct to GCT train from the Waterbury branch ... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:25:34 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 13:01:13 2009. No, that's called "foaming," not railroading.No, there really is a need for deadheading, and that is a major issue. The LIRR NEEDS a yard east so as not to waste resources deadheading back and forth between Huntington and Port Jefferson. That is no short distance. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:26:49 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 13:12:56 2009. But you didn't answer his question. Where do you propose the yard to be? They NEED a yard, as deadheading all the way to Port Jefferson is a complete waste of resources. In fact deadheading from points west just to Huntington is a waste of reasourses. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:27:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:22:19 2009. Yup, it's a TREMENDOUS waste of resourses. There is NO DOUBT a yard is necessary. That's not "foaming", that's reality. The LIRR has countless times expressed it's need for this reality. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Apr 13 13:29:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:25:06 2009. Greenport to Ronkonkoma is already a long drive for somebody commuting to New York, so I'd imagine that most people from there either drive the whole trip or take the Hampton Jitney. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:30:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:57:59 2009. Electrification to Stony Brook would be very good. Also more sidings or a double track to Stony Brook.If you are going to Stony Brook, which would be the most logical place, you may as well do the last couple miles to Port Jefferson. Leaving Port Jefferson as a one station diesel shuttle would be assinine. Not to mention that Stony Brook doesn't have the capacity for parking that would be needed if it was the end of electrification. Port Jefferson does. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:30:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:27:52 2009. It has a yard, it just needs third rail installed to access it...in Port Jefferson. Even with a yard, Huntington is a terrible terminal. It takes 5 minutes for an electric to enter, fumigate and then leave so that a diesel can enter. It should have been built with an island platform for instant transfers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:32:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:45:14 2009. Electrify to Smithtown and provide matching diesel service and you'll see fewer people driving to Ronkonkoma and much busier diesel stations on the Port Jeff.As I mentioned numerous times, it's not enough. Electrification of the ENTIRE Port Jeff line would only save 10 minutes of travel time over the current schedule. Ronkonkoma is only a good hour. Ronkonkoma still wins. It will be VERY hard to recapture the riders that abandoned the PJ line for Ronkonkoma. A a two seat, longer ride ain't gonna do it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:32:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:30:17 2009. And certainly no place for a yard. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:35:14 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:46:12 2009. Of course not. I am not talking about resurecting that line. But you said "Eastern Suffolk riders repeatedly said their dismal service is a readon for driving". Anything along the Port Jeff line is WESTERN Suffolk, or central at best. Eastern Suffolk service is dismal. Western Suffolk's service along the entire Port Jeff line is way better than the Eastern Suffokk people you are quoting. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:36:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 12:48:02 2009. Yes, that's why what Ron is talking about doesn't make sense. Eastern Suffolk people he is quoting have nothing to do with this line. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:38:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Apr 13 12:56:39 2009. Port Jeff is better than Montauk or Greenlawn for sure.But you were talking about "Eastern Suffolk people repeatedly say they drive because of their dismal service". And that may very well be the case, but those Eastern Suffolk people have nothing to do with the Port Jefferson line which is in Western Suffolk, and has much better service than the Eastern Suffolk lines. And I don't understand what you mean by Greenlawn having worse service than Port Jefferson. As far as I know any train that stoppse at Port Jefferson also stops at Greenlawn which is a little further west than Port Jefferson. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 13:39:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 13:35:14 2009. Port Jefferson is basically on the same north/south axis as Medford on the main line and Patchouge on the Montauk line. |
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