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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:38:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 12 13:46:02 2009. That said, it makes more sense to make a trail out of an unused ROW than to just let it sit with no benefit to anyone.I agree. However, it's far from "unused", it is a MAJOR high tension ROW for LIPA (Long Island Power Authority). The ROW would stay intact no matter what. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 22:41:51 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:38:55 2009. The ROW would stay intact no matter what.Well, as intact as it is now. There's a breach where the connection to the yard lead now is, isn't there? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:41:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:36:23 2009. Ronkonkoma's electrification allowed LIRR to make more efficient use of the electric fleet, and to provide faster and more direct service from that branch to Penn Station.Further electrification of LIRR lines will come as a response to demand. I think electrifying more of Port Jeff (not necessarily the whole line) is cool because it would reduce a bit the zoo at Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 22:43:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 22:23:46 2009. And what has followed . . . ?Technically, LIRR's ESA project will result in addition of electrified trackage. But not much else of significance. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:45:26 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:38:55 2009. The ROW being "intact" means different things to different entities.LIPA doesn't really care what happens on the ground as long as the wires are intact and towers undamaged. That leaves a lot of mischief that could still happen along the ROW on the ground to make it undesirable to the communities along it. An active railroad would have somewhat different but partially overlapping concerns. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:47:18 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 22:43:42 2009. Indeed. I think in the order of at least 25 miles odf additional third rail (we're counting track here, not route miles) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:48:50 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by d_mind on Sun Apr 12 22:37:31 2009. They could organize themselves by bra and member size. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:54:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:29:34 2009. If the line north of Dover Plains had neither freight not passenger service for years before MTA restored passenger service to it, then for all intents and purposes it was abandoned. The legal definition doesn't mean a whole lot unless the railroad devoted resources to maintaining the track in useable condition.If it did keep the track up to snuff, then it wasn't abandoned. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:56:35 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:22:40 2009. I would certainly support extension of electrification east of Huntington. Whatever can be accomplished, even if incremental, would be a good start. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:58:15 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 22:21:56 2009. Not really. I fall victim to my niece and nephew all the time and enjoy it.But the children here will never victimize me - not on line and certainly not in person. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:59:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 21:38:22 2009. lol |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:01:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:54:21 2009. I am only talking about the Harlem line between Dover Plains and Wassaic. North of there, it was abandoned right away. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:03:09 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:01:03 2009. OK. So when was the last time a freight train or any kind of train ran north of Dover Plains before the new service to Wassaic started?If the answer is "years" with no active track maintenance then the line north of Dover Plains was abandoned. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:10:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:41:57 2009. Ronkonkoma's electrification allowed LIRR to make more efficient use of the electric fleet, and to provide faster and more direct service from that branch to Penn Station.Correct. I don't think the MTA realized to what extent it would shift ridership along the three east end lines. They probably expected a little of it, but surely not what happened. Ronkonkoma was only built with a small island platform! (the current middle platform). WIthin about 3-4 years, they saw what had happened, and quickly added the two outer platforms, expanded the lots, etc. Later the multi level garage came, and FURTHER expansion of the lots. And even with all that, there are still cars parked all over the grass, along the woods outside the lot, and everywhere, it's utter mayhem at Ronkonkoma. Further electrification of LIRR lines will come as a response to demand. I think electrifying more of Port Jeff (not necessarily the whole line) is cool because it would reduce a bit the zoo at Ronkonkoma. Yes, this is true. There is no real quick solution to the problem that was created at Ronkonkoma. I really think the first step is to finally expand service to at LEAST Yaphank, and they have that in the Capital plan for the future to electrify to there. Part of the problem is the artificially making Ronkonkoma the end of commuter territory. And really, that will only be a quick fix electrifying to Yaphank, as the mayhem will soon expand to Yaphank and Medford, although at least it's a start. I think that even after they electrify to Yaphank, they will have to revisit electrifying the Port Jeff line to further take passengers back to that line. I also think that unless they do one day expand back along the Wading River Branch, which would be difficult politically (although not physically), they may also have to make Riverhead the end of Commuter territory, as if they don't expand to Wading River, electification of the Port Jeff line, increased service to Riverhead, along with electrification to Yaphank or Riverhead would be the only things that would finally end the zoo at Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:14:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:10:52 2009. "Correct. I don't think the MTA realized to what extent it would shift ridership along the three east end lines. They probably expected a little of it, but surely not what happened. Ronkonkoma was only built with a small island platform! (the current middle platform). WIthin about 3-4 years, they saw what had happened, and quickly added the two outer platforms, expanded the lots, etc. Later the multi level garage came, and FURTHER expansion of the lots. And even with all that, there are still cars parked all over the grass, along the woods outside the lot, and everywhere, it's utter mayhem at Ronkonkoma. "Agreed. Would straightening any of the ROW east of Huntington be necessary (ie to increase operating speed)? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:16:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 22:43:42 2009. Also, another thing that has to be done before a real increase of service to Yaphank is the third mainline track, as well as furter double tracking the Ronkonkoma line. Expansion of electrification to Yaphank will add more passengers to the line, which is already overburdened. Yes, a lot of the new passengers at Yaphank and Medford will be people already using the line at Ronkonkoma, but it will no doubt further shift more riders away from the Port Jeff and Montauk branches too. Some of the people that currently avoid Ronkonkoma from points east of Port Jefferson might find a further east electrified station, Yaphank very attractive. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:20:15 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 22:41:51 2009. Not much of one. The "14 properties" someone posted an aerial image of still has the ROW passing behind it's yards. The houses are not on the ROW, more than likely it's an encroachment issue.The area we are talking about is only about 500-600 feet, hardly a major problem. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:23:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:16:22 2009. "third mainline track, as well as furter double tracking the Ronkonkoma line"Both badly needed and overdue. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 12 23:23:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:12:13 2009. Any buff worth his salt hates that outcome.I'm demoting myself to "informed passenger with a camera". |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:24:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:12:44 2009. Ayup |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:25:18 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 22:23:46 2009. And what has followed . . . ?Other than rehabilitation and renovation, nothing else, unless one includes Hillside Maintenance Facility. They keep kicking around the questionable Port Jefferson piece-meal electrifications which IMHO isn't ideal. In contrast for a fun comparison, State Railways on the Jersey side of the Hudson River has delivered - Re-electrification of the Morris & Essex Lines - NJCL electrification to Long Branch - Waterfront & Midtown Direct - Atlantic City Line - Meadowlands Maintenance Complex - "The Stadtbahn" (Hudson-Bergen Light Rail) - Montclair-Boonton Electrification to MSU - RiverLINE - Newark City Subway's Broad Street Spur - Secaucus Transfer (so you can get there from here) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:26:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:25:18 2009. You forgot the new track to the Meadowlands complex. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:30:23 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:03:09 2009. 8 or 10 years maybe?I didn't say they "didn't need to change the tracks". OBVIOUSLY they had to make the line fit for passenger use. But the difference was taking a line that was still a line that was not abandoned, and still a part of the system vs a line like the Wading River Branch which was officially abandoned and ripped up in 1939. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:30:30 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:16:22 2009. Yaphank very attractive.Joke: If they extend electrification to Yaphank, the LIRR might as well close off the Montauk east of Patchogue, and open up the old cutoff in Manorville for the Hamptons folks because everybody will just drive to Yaphank or Medford for service. Remotely Serious: If they do electrify, maybe a stop at Holtsville with a parking garage for traffic off Nicolls Rd should be considered... |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:34:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:26:39 2009. You forgot the new track to the Meadowlands complex.That's not finished and opened yet... I probably should have included slightly less important stuff like Mt. Arlington Park & Ride, Ramsey-Rt17 P&R, and Newark Airport P&R, and the Hackettstown extension which was better than nothing... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:35:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:14:30 2009. I don't know how possible that would be, as it's fully developed along the ROW, and any majore strengthening would be very hard politically in a location that is HIGHLY vocal, as we have seen in all the plans put forth for the line that failed.And even with that, the Port Jeff line will never be as fast as the very straight Ronkonkoma line, and it may be too little, too late for to electrify. If they had electrified to Port Jeff before Ronkonkoma, when the Port Jeff line was still the LIRR's premier line, it would never have lost it's ridership to the Ronkonkoma line. The result? Those people are spoiled by Ronkonkoma's one hour ride to the city, which the Port Jeff line would never be able to beat, even if electrified. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 12 23:37:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:58:22 2009. Whenever somebody accuses somebody else of unwarranted personal attacks there is always denials.There needs to be a wordfilter. Anytime someone says "unwarranted personal attack"=24 hour ban. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 23:39:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:34:53 2009. Yes, agreed.The Meadowlands extension is almost ready. This summer, right? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:42:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:30:30 2009. I agree, I think they would have to move the Yaphank station about a mile east from Yaphank Ave, to the east end of Yaphank at William Floyd Parkway, as there is much more room there for the necessary lot. There's not much room at the current Yaphank location. But that said, that would instantly put electrification immediately north of Mastic Shirley, and a short 5-10 minute drive along William Floyd Parkway.Medford does have room for expansion just east of the current location, so that location probably could continue to be used. Holtsville may be a good location to put a station, but that would remain to be seen. The space is there at the old station site, which is sort of industrial. Interestingly, the access to most of these stations are good, as the LIE is right there, making getting to these stations easy. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:45:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:10:52 2009. I don't think the MTA realized to what extent it would shift ridership along the three east end lines. They probably expected a little of it, but surely not what happened.They did not expect the deluge. That seems clear from the original design of the station. Ronkonkoma was only built with a small island platform! (the current middle platform). WIthin about 3-4 years, they saw what had happened, and quickly added the two outer platforms, expanded the lots, etc. Later the multi level garage came, and FURTHER expansion of the lots. And even with all that, there are still cars parked all over the grass, along the woods outside the lot, and everywhere, it's utter mayhem at Ronkonkoma. Exactly. I think that even after they electrify to Yaphank, they will have to revisit electrifying the Port Jeff line to further take passengers back to that line. I think that electrification for the Port Jefferson branch has to be revisited. It's still the logical place to finish off electrification and then switch those resources over elsewhere. I also think that unless they do one day expand back along the Wading River Branch, which would be difficult politically (although not physically) I tend to view that as very difficult politically. It would probably require use of eminent domain. And lots of residents would be unhappy about the LIRR not just proverbially in their backyards. along with electrification to Yaphank or Riverhead If they electrify to Riverhead, they might as well complete the Main Line then, and shift all diesel resources to the Oyster Bay Branch and the Montauk Line east of Babylon, and also electrify the Central Branch remnant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:47:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 22:37:44 2009. Do tell, what are the demographics of Rocky Point, Sound Beach, Port Jeff Station, and even many parts of Wading River. Your stereotypical blanketing of them suggest otherwise. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:50:03 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:35:40 2009. Better acceleration would probably improve running time, so it's possible that electrification could at least help with that with EMUs, especially as compared to longer push/pull sets. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:53:24 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:45:55 2009. I tend to view that as very difficult politically. It would probably require use of eminent domain. And lots of residents would be unhappy about the LIRR not just proverbially in their backyards.I agree, almost politically impossible. But that said, eminent domain would not really be all that necessary, as there is little encroachment on the ROW because of LIPA maintaining it. The only issue would be through Rocky Point where the ROW is (and was even when the line ran) on top of the homes through there. What was acceptible in 1939 in Rocky Point's proximity in that stretch would probably not be today. Other than that, no eminent domain would be necessary, unless you mean the 500 foot stretch from the yard to the power lines, and that is probably less than .0001% of the ROW. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:55:24 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:53:24 2009. And for the record, the part of the ROW through Rocky Point may not even have to be used, since it's so close to the homes. Since the ROW is so close to Route 25A, there may be a way to diverge the route through Rocky Point to alongside Business Route 25A for that short segment. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 12 23:57:41 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:45:55 2009. If they electrify to Riverhead, they might as well complete the Main Line then, and shift all diesel resources to the Oyster Bay Branch and the Montauk Line east of Babylon, and also electrify the Central Branch remnant.There's only one electrification system where electrifying to Riverhead makes any sense, and the trial balloons floated by myself and other railfans have been shot down due to issues over fleet compatibility and replacement, cost concerns about the electrification in general, and NIMBYs complaining about the method used. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:58:14 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:53:24 2009. The only issue would be through Rocky Point where the ROW is (and was even when the line ran) on top of the homes through there. What was acceptible in 1939 in Rocky Point's proximity in that stretch would probably not be today. Other than that, no eminent domain would be necessary, unless you mean the 500 foot stretch from the yard to the power lines, and that is probably less than .0001% of the ROW.Yes, we're agreed on the problem spots. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:59:01 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:50:03 2009. Of course. But the Ronkonkoma line also has that asset, but it also has the added asset of being almost perfectly straight added to that. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 00:02:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:55:24 2009. And for the record, the part of the ROW through Rocky Point may not even have to be used, since it's so close to the homes. Since the ROW is so close to Route 25A, there may be a way to diverge the route through Rocky Point to alongside Business Route 25A for that short segment.I think that might be possible, or even a cut and cover tunnel section, although this boosts the cost of any project. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 00:14:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 00:02:55 2009. ROute 25A was rerouted back in the 1990's, and the old section still runs through town, but the slight diversion of NEW 25A has little development along it, and is almost like a Highway ROW, so it would be pretty easy to get the rail line to run along that segment of New 25A. The problem of course would be GETTING there, which may be worse than just eminent domaining the houses on one side of "King Rd". Politically though, it would be easier to send the line through at New 25A than through the HEART of Rocky Point. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 13 03:27:12 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 23:45:55 2009. If they electrify to Riverhead, they might as well complete the Main Line then, and shift all diesel resources to the Oyster Bay Branch and the Montauk Line east of Babylon, and also electrify the Central Branch remnant.I think the LIRR should electrify the Central Branch remnant because it would provide some flexibility in case the the Babylon line closes down or is congested so they won't have to use diesels every time they use it. Plus every time the Main Line is partially shut down, the diesel fleet is stretched to its limit. Also the Greenport line has to be bustituted due to lack of diesel equipment. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 13 06:05:06 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 12 23:37:13 2009. No. But there does need to be a filter on all posts made by informed passengers with cameras. Such posts are generally worthless. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Apr 13 06:53:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 12 23:37:13 2009. Oh not some flowering filter again... |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Apr 13 06:55:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:35:43 2009. What has this got to do with the post you replied to? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 10:09:57 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Apr 12 07:42:52 2009. The ROW is completely intact in that short stretch behind those houses between where the RR yard ends, and the power lines begin. If anything, there is a small encroachment problem, at the first two left most houses, but that's it. The ROW is intact, I looked it up on the Brookhaven Town tax map: Tax map part 1:  Tax map part 2 (right of part one map):  Use in c View Larger Maponjunction with aerial map: |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Mon Apr 13 10:31:16 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:35:40 2009. Let me step in with a little history lesson from someone who has lived near the Port Jefferson Branch for more than thirty years.When I first moved here there was only diesel service and no platforms. At Greenlawn you could park in the south lot, cross over the tracks on a concrete walkway to the north side where the platform and ticket booth were. Also if the train had pulled in and there was an open door on the old diesel cars, you could climb in as if nothing happened. Around this time, then Congressman Robert Mrazek secured funding for the electrification to Port Jeff. Then LIRR president Bruce Mc Giver decided to take those funds and electrify to KO. He claimed by closing some of the minor stations and moving others, such as Deer Park, the commute would be 1 hour instead of 90 minutes, primarily due to fewer stops and that the track goes fairly straight and level to allow higher speeds. PJ branch in comparision would only have 10 minutes deleted from the commute since it is very windy and hilly, not making for a high speed track. Then the LIRR decides to high-level all platforms. That means both north and south side of Greenlawn with an overhead bridge. Of course the south track has never been used and the railroad wonders why its running a deficit? Finally due to the ESA, the LIRR proposes building a storage yard on the corner of Lake Road and Pulaski Road, just east of the Huntington Station. Community opposition is strong. When it is suggested to use the Cerro Wire site in Syosset (spot for a new mall) the railroad says that they'll be having too much deadheading. I was against this proposed site for two reasons. One it would destroy the residential nature of the community Two was if this yard, which would be an easy "put in" for Huntington trains, what is the incentive to electify to PJ. My feeling is to put the yard somewhere past PJ so that the electrification would be forced to go to PJ. BTW - If this electrification were to occur and with the pending ESA would there be enough cars to carry the load ??????? |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 10:43:42 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Apr 13 10:31:16 2009. Interesting post.BTW - If this electrification were to occur and with the pending ESA would there be enough cars to carry the load ??????? Definitely not. LIRR has been short on EMUs for at least a few decades. Perhaps keeping around several M1 sets would have been prudent. At this point, LIRR has not yet decided whether it is going to retire or overhaul its M3 fleet. The plans for ESA include the purchase of M9 EMUs, but if the M3s are retired, then that would automatically tack on about 180 cars just to maintain the current fleet size. Essentially, the size of the M9 order and a decision on whether to retire or overhaul the M3s should tell us whether the ESA service increases are going to happen or not. With extending electrification, the issue isn't nearly as difficult, but it would still take more EMUs than LIRR currently has, even putting aside the ESA service increases of 24 tph peak, a huge problem meeting car requirements when even the usual mishaps, expected (wheel slip in the autumn) or unexpected (delays through HALL), happen. |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Apr 13 10:46:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 13 10:09:57 2009. Very informative. Thanks.As we discussed though, this will still be politically difficult with these homeowners viewing LIRR as an interloper. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 13 10:47:15 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 23:35:40 2009. I remember when they first electrified the Main Line when everything past Mineola was diesel. (The only electrics went to East Williston on the OB Branch) I used Westbury in those days, my closest station, which was all diesel and low platform. Huntington was NOT a terminal then. Every train went to either Port Jeff or Ronkonkoma. Then they electrified piecemeal, first to Hicksville, then to Huntington. At the time I thought Huntington was just a temporary terminal and that was part of the piecemeal electrification to Port Jeff. I was wrong and I guess the patrons of the Port Jefferson Line lost a lot of service. To me it would seem natural to electrify the Port Jefferson Line for that reason. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 11:00:05 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Hart Bus on Mon Apr 13 10:31:16 2009. BTW - If this electrification were to occur and with the pending ESA would there be enough cars to carry the load ??????? Depends on how large the M9 order is and how long they want to retain the M3's. Also, I agree with your opposition of the yard in Huntington. Not a proper location and it basically removes any incentive to electrify to Port Jefferson. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 13 11:02:58 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Apr 12 22:06:54 2009. Naturally. There's demand for destinations east of Port Jefferson on the North Shore. If it justifies re-activation of a rail line dead since 1939 is up for debate. Port Jefferson has a rather large parking lot, one very large for a diesel only station. |
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