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Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009

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Over at the "Second Avenue Sagas" blog, there's been more talk about wiring the subways for cell phone service.

I truly hope this never happens. Its bad enough I have to hear every bubble-headed LI yenta and gum-snapping teen yakking about absolute nonsense every day on the LIRR, or some poor schlub ordering Chinese food for pickup when he reaches his station. And these people talk LOUD - like they're in their living room.

Case in point: I was once riding to Flatbush Avenue when some yenta got on the phone to some other yenta about some third yenta's new kitchen. In a regular conversational voice, she went on and on about the fixtures, the wallpaper, how great it looked and how she can't wait to visit her friend again so she can see it again. While she was going on about it, a man in the rear of the car piped up and said "hey, that sounds really great! Can we all come see it too?"

There are too many people who abuse the privilege of talking on cell phones. Like many people, to me the subways are a respite from the endless nonsense yakking that goes on. I vote NO on subway cell
service.

What's your opinion? Like Richard N. Hughes, former President of the WPIX Channel 11 news division in the '70s, we'd like to know.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 5 09:10:43 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I am betwixt and between on this issue. On the one hand, It might be advantageous to have cell service in the subway, to report emergencies, or just to call ahead and let people know you're running late (especially when your "E" train suddenly becomes an "F" just south of 36th Street with no prior warning). But then again, you're also right in pointing out that people will have to suffer through the constant cell-phone chatter that's common on LIRR and MNRR.

On LIRR, they did wire the East River tunnels for cell service, so a person can get on a train in Penn station, and yak nonstop all the way to Ronkonkoma. Now, I have to say that being able to text and surf the Internet from my phone while underground is a great convenience. They are quiet, unobtrusive ways to pass the time, when I'm not standing at one of the ever-dwindling number of RFW's. :)

But just one thing: Ordering Chinese Food for pickup, from the train, is a convenience I refuse to give up!

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Fred G on Thu Mar 5 09:19:02 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I think the potential for abuse is outweighed by the convenience. You can always stare/shout/beat down the loud phoner.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by rtype3995 on Thu Mar 5 09:21:42 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I hope they don't do it.....
Bad enough I have to hear other people's music while on the train, and now I gotta hear the phone convos both above and underground????

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Dan on Thu Mar 5 09:44:14 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 5 09:10:43 2009.

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On the one hand, It might be advantageous to have cell service in the subway, to report emergencies, or just to call ahead and let people know you're running late (especially when your "E" train suddenly becomes an "F" just south of 36th Street with no prior warning).

I'm in favor of it for the reasons you give. The safety concerns of being able to call 911 from a station outweigh the rudeness issue. I doubt that the tunnels will have cell access, that gets very expensive to install and maintain.

It's hard to talk on a cellphone in a regular "telephone" voice because you don't hear your side of the conversation back through the cellphone receiver. It took practice but I can now speak on a cellphone in a regular voice. Most cellphones have sensitive transmitters so you shouldn't be shouting into them anyway.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Charles G on Thu Mar 5 09:47:04 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I could take it or leave it. I'd love to have data service in the subway, but could do without the loud talkers.



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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 5 10:06:22 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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People already talk on the phones on the outdoor or elevated lines, so I don't see it as a problem. I don't care either way.
My phone has even worked on some of the shallower IRT lines like the contract one upper 7th Ave-Bway line, and the lower Lex line.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 5 10:54:19 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Better not ride Washington Metrorail. Metrorail now supports Verizon and Sprint, but pretty soon every cellphone carrier will offer voice and data services (Wifi) down in the tunnels.

But you never liked trains anyway. Stick with buses. :0)

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 5 11:05:32 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Wow, people talking on the phone bothers you that much? What about people talking to each other on the trains. I can just imagine how you would have taken it years ago when every LIRR car had at least one card game going. What else don't you like?

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 5 11:34:05 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Nay. Strong Nay.

Subways are what texting was meant for.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 5 11:36:00 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 5 11:05:32 2009.

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It's much more annoying to hear only one side of a conversation. A card game is far less annoying, since what you're hearing makes sense. A one sided cell call is just noise.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 5 11:52:55 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 5 11:34:05 2009.

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But without cell service, you can't send texts.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 5 11:56:00 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Nay. However, I wouldn't mind if they had free public wi-fi in the subway.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 5 12:12:42 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I would have to say "yea", but it would be awesome if the signal disconnected everyone every 2 minutes to prevent abuse and long conversations.
Reasons:
-Those NYCT alerts are useful if you can actually get them in the subway. Currently, leaving your phone on while underground for the brief window of reception to get a text is a good way to kill your battery.
-Data access is nice to look up LIRR / MNRR / NJT schedules you forgot to download to your phone before entering.
-Ordering Chinese/Italian food for pickup is a very useful convenience, for me the call is (especially for Chinese food) typically 15-20 seconds long. Though I'd imagine if one had to repeat their order six times, it would get to be annoying for other passengers.

Though if you want a reason that people will jump on for the "nay" category, just say that terrorists can better coordinate an attack on the subway if they can use cell phones while underground. That will get the plan killed in a hurry.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Dan on Thu Mar 5 12:44:56 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 5 12:12:42 2009.

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I would have to say "yea", but it would be awesome if the signal disconnected everyone every 2 minutes to prevent abuse and long conversations.

Bad idea, especially in an emergency situation. Why would you want to prevent "long" conversations. And who would determine what length of a conversation is "long"?

BTW has Verizon or ATT or any wireless carrier bid on this yet??

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 5 13:06:22 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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some poor schlub ordering Chinese food for pickup when he reaches his station
I'll have you know that comes in handy when you're pressed for time. Now if they're yelling all over the car about how they want General Tso, then that's a problem.

I do admit, it is already bad enough with people blasting their ringtones. No one wants to hear A Milli a Milli times.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 5 13:09:28 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 5 09:10:43 2009.

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Exactly. If you're trying to avoid "noise" then you probably shouldn't be on the subway anyway.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 5 13:18:00 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Mar 5 13:06:22 2009.

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much as I despise ringtones(my cell phone is set to vibrate) the reality is that we WILL have cell service in the tunnels--BART already does in downtown SF. BTW for those of us who no longer wear a watch having the cell phone work even for its 'watch' function is a good.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by QM18Express on Thu Mar 5 13:36:48 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 5 11:05:32 2009.

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IAWTP!
I don't understand why people get so pist off at a person using a cell phone while somebody won't get pist off of 2 people talking to each other in the same volume level!

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Mar 5 13:42:24 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I don't support it, I enjoy the relative peace and quiet the train has in the subway, when ever the train goes out of the portal those phones start ringing and some start talking as if they're the only one on the train. I do however support the MTA offering a wifi service that they can charge a monthly fee for.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 13:45:16 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 5 11:05:32 2009.

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Card games still occur in LIRR cars today.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 5 13:59:44 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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A resounding nay. People using their cellphones on trains are generally rude.

--Mark

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Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 14:12:49 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Nay because that'll give the kids a reason to pull out their cellphones, which then they will play very loud music on their cellphones' crappy loudspeaker, and who wants to hear that when trying to enjoy a peaceful ride underground?

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 14:20:46 2009, in response to Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 14:12:49 2009.

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Um, you do not need reception to play music on a cell phone. I see kids play there music on there phone underground on the train.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Mar 5 14:35:53 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Text messaging and web use - yay!



Voice calls - NAY!!!!!!

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 15:06:30 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 14:20:46 2009.

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Yes, I know, but this will give them a reason to do it more often.

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 16:13:58 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 15:06:30 2009.

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Actually, it would give them a reason to talk more.

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 16:14:58 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 16:13:58 2009.

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That is true also.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 5 16:18:09 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 5 11:36:00 2009.

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Or you can take it like a game and try to figure out what the other side is saying.

"No, honey, I didn't mean it. Honestly, it just happened; it didn't mean anything."

......

"I don't love her; I love you! Let me explain..."

"JAMAICA NEXT STOP! ALL TICKETS PLEASE!"
.......

"What do you mean I let her into the bath with me? What was I supposed to do, block her with my arms?"

"THIS IS JAMAICA! SIR, MAY I HAVE YOUR TICKET PLEASE? SIR THAT TICKET'S NO GOOD ON THIS RAILROAD!"

"Honey, can you say it again? The conductor was talking to me. You're getting lawyer?"

"SIR THIS TICKET IS NO GOOD. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO ASK YOU TO GET OFF THE TRAIN."



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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 16:28:18 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I say yes. I know some folk are loud or rude while on the phone (I'm in South Jersey, so no need to tell me anything bout that, heh), but some do know their "inside voice". Me, I usually text my people, and sometimes use the phone. I actually get a little nervous (Especially after what some of ya'll would do with a person on a phone!) when i'm the only one talking on the phone, on a train or bus, even though i'm not loud on the phone.

But anyway, what I really wanna say is, ITS NEW YORK CITY for crying out loud! Millions of people, all in a generally loud city, try to deal with it! And lets be real, half the time the trains are too crowded or loud to hear any conversation anyway...down here, if you ride the Broad Street Subway, you damn sure aren't gonna have a quiet conversation, since those trains are louder than the trains in NYC (Commuter rail trains included). Also, some folk down here are loud already, so i'm used to it. I don't mind or care, I can't change their voice level, and telling them shut up (or something politer along that line) might make things worse....for YOU. Its NYC transit, its not a forever ride, its not the loud person's house/apartment and neither is it yours, expect it and deal with it...unless you decide to drive, or do something most NYC folk seem to be immune from doing, walking long distances!

And where are the freedom of speech people now? Now that the person is just on the phone (loud or not) and you don't wanna hear, all of a sudden you feel you wanna take that freedom back and ask if the person shuts up for your comfort? But doesn't that person have a right to talk on the phone, about whatever they like, whether you like it or not?

SEPTA started the Quiet Car program, not because they needed to, but because they wanted to, in response to the requests of people wanting such a train car. SEPTA has the right to give those people the finger if they wanted to, but they didn't. Quiet cars are EXTRA, meaning its a want by the people, not a need. So now ya'll feel the want, to get someone off the phone who needs or wants to use it and has the right to use it? Give me a break *rolls eyes*

How about we just all agree to disagree, that folk that don't wanna hear it have the right to feel that way (I think a polite "Can you speak softer, please" would be better to say to them than a sarcastic/smart assed answer, if you feel the need for them to quiet down, but respect their right to talk!), and that the person on the phone, regardless of how loud or quiet they are and what they talk about, has the right to do what they're doing (They must also be respectful, with the voice level and what they talk about, in comparison to the others on the train. And suppose the person they're talking to has less-than-good hearing or a language barrier like with the Chinese food conversations, possibly meaning a louder voice and repeated messages? Anyone ever thought of that?). In the end, regardless of what your opinion is, its all about respect, on BOTH sides of the story.

My post was like an essay, I know, but I thought it was high time I say what I thought of this topic.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 5 16:35:29 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Dan on Thu Mar 5 12:44:56 2009.

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True, but:
1. A 2 minute call during an emergency situation is still 2 minutes longer than what they have now.
2. As far as emergency services using it, they can use the priority code embedded in the SIM card to filter out who gets disconnected. This way, emergency services and power users who figured out how to change their priority code will still get long calls.
3. A college girl gabbing to all her friends about how awesome NYC is and how drunk she got last night can deal with the time limits.
4. From the conversations I've both overheard and had on the phone, the importance of a phone call is inversely proportional to the length of the conversation. In general, if something is earth shatteringly important, the call will end soon and the user will then *do something*. If the user is not in a position to do anything about it, the conversation digresses into talking about how there's nothing that can be done, and the importance of continuing the conversation is lowered.

A lot can be communicated effectively in two minutes, and perhaps forced disconnections will help people realize exactly how useless most of what they say on the phone actually is. But, since this goes directly against the cell phone model of "we want people to talk as long as possible so we get more money from them," they will never allow people to realize that.

Long conversations are perfectly acceptable when walking down a street or in your own home/office. But when someone is in any location where the same people will have to endure listening to the conversation (such as a train platform, on the train, in a bus shelter, on a bus, etc) a useless conversation longer than 2 minutes is very grating. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a market for localized cell phone jammers (which I really should pick up from chinatown one of these days).

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 5 17:05:18 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 16:28:18 2009.

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By your logic, then, when someone is being annoying on the phone, I can sit next to them and start talking loudly to no one in particular? Sweet...

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 17:06:08 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 16:28:18 2009.

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And how long it took you to type up this post?

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:11:38 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 5 17:05:18 2009.

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Well if they don't mind, sure, but you'll be looking crazier than the one on the phone. But what I was saying, is that if you see someone loud on the phone, BE POLITE AND RESPECTFUL and ask them to quiet down a bit, only if you feel you desperately need to have some quiet time (As if you can in NYC). Remember, my original opinion was to just let it be, find something else to do if you must.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:12:42 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:11:38 2009.

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I know an NJT B/O on the 551 who would call the cops if you don't pipe down after she asked you to multiple times.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:14:41 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu Mar 5 17:06:08 2009.

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It was on and off typing (was doing other stuff outside subchat). Took a few minutes to get it done, but I stand by it.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:20:00 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:12:42 2009.

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Is there a rule on that? In any case, the person speaking loud should respect the B/O by turning her voice down, to prevent that from happening anyway. Its probably a scare tactic at that, seeing as some folk down here can be real assholes when it comes to respecting others.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 5 17:20:39 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Dan on Thu Mar 5 09:44:14 2009.

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Actually, the existing tunnel antennas that are used to transmit communications to the control center could probably be connected at various places to cell phone transmitters without compromisisng NYCT communications.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:22:02 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:20:00 2009.

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She threated to call the police on a guy whose lunch was stinking up the whole bus. Guy was in the far back of the D4000 and you could smell it up front.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:35:43 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:22:02 2009.

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Lol, I've seen that happen before. But, funky lunch or not, its part of the job, like the station agents who must deal with angry passengers, who are only mad due to something wrong they did. I think I can ask anyone in the MTA, and most of them would probably say most passengers don't like to take responsibility for stuff they cause or do, but will blame it on the personnel or someone else, for no good reason and to take blame off themselves. Though that's just something anyone can do or has done.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:37:31 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:35:43 2009.

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Maybe she found the odor distracting to her driving, the 551 is largely a highway route. The B/O to Philly didn't seem to mind all the loud people in the back of the bus.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:46:01 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Ken S. on Thu Mar 5 17:37:31 2009.

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Heh, you learn to expect loud folk down here :-P But its like this whole topic, just about what people can, or want, to handle, and that differs from person to person.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 5 17:46:23 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Yey, there are times where I need to reach someone I'm trying to meet up with, and things are being done on the fly. Not being able to communicate while underground is a pain.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 00:41:44 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Please, no! The subway is the last great escape from the cellphone
"I was trying to call you for an hour...why didn't you pick up
your phone?" "Oh, I was in the subway".

If the subways have complete coverage, millions of hounded executives
and hen-pecked husbands will have no sanctuary.

To say nothing of the assault on one's sanity being packed like
proverbial sardines into the subway car with dozens of inane and
loud conversations happening literally within inches of one's
eardrums.

WHy is our society so fixated on instant and constant communication?

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 01:31:02 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 00:41:44 2009.

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The genie is out of the bottle. There's no going back...

Besides, cellphone coverage in the subways can be a source of recurring revenue to the subway system.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by MATHA531 on Fri Mar 6 02:39:46 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 00:41:44 2009.

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If you're packed in like a sardine, how can you reach for your mobile phone? It might lead to people using their hands free devices. I know, my mobile phone has an MP3 player and I wear my headset on the Paris metro and guess what, if somebody calls me, it works! How wonderful 21st century technology is.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:15:32 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by MATHA531 on Fri Mar 6 02:39:46 2009.

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The bluetooh hands-free people are the worst! I don't know if
it is because of poor sidetone in the earpiece, but they seem
to have very poor control of their vocal loudness. And you
can't even tell if the person is talking on the phone or talking
to you.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 03:21:39 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:15:32 2009.

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Or talking to himself/herself?

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:33:50 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 03:21:39 2009.

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That's what one normally would have assumed in the past!

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Mar 6 03:51:57 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff H. on Fri Mar 6 03:33:50 2009.

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I still wonder when I see it....

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