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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 15 09:49:02 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Alex L. on Tue Mar 15 09:04:18 2005.


As for the meaning of BMT, on a couple of websites I found something like this:

Some say that the classic BMT sandwich stands for biggest, meatiest and tastiest! And you would have to agree when you bite into this sub filled with turkey, beef and salami!


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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by R33 9139 on Tue Mar 15 09:53:08 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 15 09:49:02 2005.

I've eaten at Subway®.

They should have a sandwich called the IRT: "It's Really Tastless"

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 09:56:56 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 09:20:44 2005.

But they're ... *OUR* symbols! *WE* the taxpayers PAID for these! WHY I can't fathom, but we DID ... as an OWNER of the MTA font, what's the PROBLEM with a business using it so long as it isn't CSX providing gypsy cab service on the D train tracks in the dead of night CLAIMING to be MTA subway? *THEN* I could see a "market confusion" problem. :(

Anyone got PICTURES of gypsy subway trains plying the rails with towelheads doing it? Oh wait ... I do! Look ... I actually CAUGHT a towelhead improperly using MTA themes, logos and illegally reproduced ersatz SUBWAY CARS TOO! TALK about marketplace confusion ... BEHOLD!



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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:06:15 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by R33 9139 on Tue Mar 15 09:53:08 2005.

AMEN! If you want REAL MEAT, go to a Blimpie base. Hahahahaha. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:07:34 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 15 09:49:02 2005.

I've had waxed paper at Loescher's that tasted better. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:21:15 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Max Roberts on Tue Mar 15 09:18:35 2005.

As I mentioned in another posting I work for a large International financial institution. Our symbol is an Octagon and is trademarked because the format of it is unique (and not just a plain octagon). Just looking at it the average perason will probably know what company it represents. The same can be said of the the combination of numbers/letters and colors that the MTA uses to represent the subway lines.

"For example, if I were to write a guidebook to NY and use NYC Subway bullets, could MTA insist a payment."

I think they probably would if you used the exact same combinations.
If you were to use black and white symbols only you could make a case that it wasn't covered under the copyright.

I'm going to cite another example. When areas of my company (including my own) was being relocated from downtown Manhattan to the waterfront in Jersey City, I wrote a 12 page guide to how to get to there from anywhere in 4 boros via the subway to PATH (I had every transfer point, staircases, where to be on the platform). As originally written I used the MTA symbols. While it was an internal publication I decided that since they had copyrighted the symbols and I didn't want to bother them to get permission I opted for plain numbers/letters. To "complicate " matters any work I do for my company is considered "intellectual property" so I didn't want to violate any rules of any kind.




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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:24:42 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 09:56:56 2005.

We paid for the subway cars and buses too but that doesn't give us the right to go to CI shops and sign out an R44 and move it to whereever we want.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BIE on Tue Mar 15 10:30:30 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:21:15 2005.

"Our symbol is an Octagon"
What if USDOT sued your company for infringing on stop signs?
Non serious post. 8-)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Max Roberts on Tue Mar 15 10:30:41 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:21:15 2005.

Trademark is not the same as copyright, and in my understanding, most are rubber stamped these days, to leave rich people to challenge. Even in the US, I have come across trademarks that have been successfully challenged. Too bad I can't remember where I read this. Just because the MTA has trademarked a design that is not the end of the matter. Bullets are distinctive (which is why they are used by everyone) but generic, unlike octagons.

I have had a diagrammatic London Undergound map granted registered design status by the UK Patents Office (registered designs, trademarks, and copyright are not the same thing). This consisted of an initial assessment of whether the design was sufficiently novel, and its publication is some design register or other. All interested parties now have 12 months (actually now down to 8) to challenge the registered design.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 15 10:35:32 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:07:34 2005.

Are you perchance referring to Loeser's Kosher Deli on W. 231st near the Broadway Local? Doubt it, but just curious is all. BTW, every time I head back and forth between my stomping grounds in central Vermont and New York City and see that Selkirk sign on the NY Thruway near the Crossgates Mall, a couple things always come to mind. One is your honest, thought provoking, occasionally indecipherable (usually due to my ignorance on said subject matter), and often amusing contributions. The other, that man and his son from Selkirk who were arrested for trespassing after refusing to remove their "No War in Iraq" shirts and then refusing to leave the premises. I am career military, but come on! Reprazentin' the Capital District...

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 15 10:42:17 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Mar 15 09:30:38 2005.

'"...Jellied Eels"

Bleccch!!'

Very traditional London food, but not so comonly found as they used to be. Not bad, actually.


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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:43:18 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:24:42 2005.

Dewd ... sympathize with the thought ... but bring this to one of the local barristers in your midst with any CLUE of the basis of intelleectual property law ... SURE, the MTA can win this ... but the POLITICAL detritus ... well ... guess which side has the advantage if anyone has BALLS?

PRESS ... already the politicos are powerless in this matter. Sorta like that "photo ban thingy" ... :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:46:22 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 10:43:18 2005.

Forgive me for continuing ... The courts may say one thing one thing (assuming that the argument here is lawful in the first place according to the principles) but rest assured, the "court of public opinion" is not in favor of this already ... and it was one HELL of a legal "cheap shot" going after "towelheads" when numerous OTHER "infringements" are in people's faces everywhere it seem midtown.

No, any WAY you slice this bologna, everyone ends up with "catsup" on their faces. :(

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BIE on Tue Mar 15 10:46:36 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 10:24:42 2005.

There's a lit of folks here who would like to do just that. :-)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 15 10:47:50 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Max Roberts on Tue Mar 15 10:30:41 2005.

'Trademark is not the same as copyright, and in my understanding, most are rubber stamped these days, to leave rich people to challenge. Even in the US, I have come across trademarks that have been successfully challenged.

In UK law, a trademark applies to a particular good or service, not to everything. So if the MTA has registered an F in a particular typeface on an orange bullet background as a trademark for a subway service, in the UK that wouldn't stop someone supplying bagels from using the same trademark. Bagels and subway services are very different things! On the other hand, if the bagel shop was held to be implying that it had an MTA endorsement by using their trademark, the offence of "passing off" could be alleged.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Mar 15 11:00:15 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 15 10:47:50 2005.

In UK law, a trademark applies to a particular good or service, not to everything. So if the MTA has registered an F in a particular typeface on an orange bullet background as a trademark for a subway service, in the UK that wouldn't stop someone supplying bagels from using the same trademark. Bagels and subway services are very different things! On the other hand, if the bagel shop was held to be implying that it had an MTA endorsement by using their trademark, the offence of "passing off" could be alleged.

Anout 15 years ago, when Toyota was introducing the Lexus brand, the Lexis legal and news information service claimed that the name would infringe on its trademark despite the slightly different spelling. Both sides settled the matter without litigation, after it became obvious that the items in question were so vastly different from one another that no consumer confusion would result.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 11:07:51 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 15 10:35:32 2005.

Heh. You NAILED the place ... I was thinking of no OTHER famed Kosher Deli, and that place ROCKED! - that's my old hood, bro ... 230th between Kingsbridge Ave and Corlear ... also home of "Arthur's Diner" ... lived there while I attended DimWitt Clinton (and YES, walked to and from school in the snow, because the bus wouldn't make it and the return bus never passed me the whole time I walked, heh)

Politically, we're a strange bunch up here - we look out for one another so we don't need government much, aside for plowing the roads and phucking them up when the ice is gone. BECAUSE we take care of one another around here, we don't need "liberals" and because we WORK for a living, we don't need "Rush Gasbag" either. We're DAMNED conservative when it comes to spending money we don't have, and we don't CARE what you do in your own bedroom as long as we don't have to watch it on cable TV. :)

But yeah, "upstate" is for real ... REAL people, folks you can actually say hello to and get it back - people who CARE if you're OK or not and are only too happy to help if they can - but also streetwise enough to spot a sidewalk act faster than someone from 9th Avenue. I *love* it here - only wish the damned politicos would stay away. (grin)

But wasn't Loescher's a TREAT!? :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Mar 15 11:18:53 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 08:25:35 2005.

One point that has been mentioned is that corporate symbols (like the route bullets) cannot be copywrited, but can be registered service marks.

BSM learned a lot when we registered our logo as our service mark. To get it required reams of paperwork, proving our constant use of the logo (which dates from 1966). The member who spearheaded the effort (Our service mark is registered both by the US and also by the State of Maryland.) happens be be a lawyer. His remark was "Law School does not adequately prepare one for this".

The one thing that was learned is that a registered trademark must have the SM (for service mark) every time it is displayed.

If the MTA didn't register all the bullets as service marks, and didn't have the SM (which can be very small) on all of them, anybody can use them.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 11:19:23 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 15 10:42:17 2005.

I'll bet you ate at WIMPY'S. Pot, kettle, tweet. One thing I learned was that British Euro-repasts were best left to Asians. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 11:41:04 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Mar 15 11:18:53 2005.

And once again, I reiterate the MAIN point that people seem to be missing (no offense, buddy!) is that a non-profit is an entity with a "mission" ... a GOVERNMENT should NEVER be allowed to own "intellectual property" until *****I***** get an actual "tax cut" ... then MAYBE if I get *more* ... I might surrender what *I* paid for to be owned by the politicos.

*MY* problem is the right of a GOVERNMENT to seize intellectual property until GOVERNMENT can prove to ANYONE that it actually POSSESSES an "intellect" to "register as a property" in the FIRST place. That all said, there's the "intended use" and whether the "infringement" resulted in any "market confusion" ... that's what LAW has to contend with and THIS pissing match comes up short on ALL accounts.

I am *NOT* a lawyer, but I'm certain that any lawyer who *DOES* IP law is laughing their teats off just reading this BS ... if "infringement" were recoverable, I'd OWN Microsoft and could BUY your steenking museum. Heh. I'd put it into REVENUE service and suck the politicos for bucks to make the buses go away. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Alex L. on Tue Mar 15 12:11:07 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Max Roberts on Tue Mar 15 09:18:35 2005.

Is the trademark merely a piece of generic information, or a mere fact. It is a mere fact that the F train serves the district. For example, if I were to write a guidebook to NY and use NYC Subway bullets, could MTA insist a payment.

Not only could they insist, they have been known to insist. My wife's company is currently involved in just such a case - if/when it is settled and I can find out the results, I'll post them.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Mar 15 13:32:21 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 15 08:53:24 2005.

Heh, my uncle was assistant basketball coach there for several years in the 1980s. We used to joke "where the hell is Manhattan, kansas"?

--Mark

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Mar 15 13:47:33 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Mar 15 13:32:21 2005.

Small World this is, eh? That place is really gorgeous country if you like that sort of thing - rolling, forested hills meets prairie. It sounds as if your uncle missed the basketball glory days of Mitch Richmond by a few scant years. College football is my thing, and ironically enough the last game I attended was Oklahoma at Kansas State up in Manhattan. OU was in the midst of a three game sweep against Big XII powers Texas, K-State, and Nebraska on their way to the 2000 National Championship.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 15:49:02 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 14 22:49:27 2005.

Guess that's like many years ago when, as a kid,I saw Puerto Rican pizza places.

And yeah.....the pizza was good!!!

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by EMSR7000 on Tue Mar 15 16:10:44 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 15 07:45:10 2005.

Regarding the maitre d', I've also heard "schmooze" used in this context (or on anyone else you want to "butter" up)!

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Mar 15 16:24:15 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 15 07:45:10 2005.

Clearly, "shmear" and the english "smear" have a common root. There isn't much difference in meaning between the two: to spread or daub with a sticky, greasy or dirty substance.

I would ask how "pap smear" figures into that definition, but for the sake of decency maybe I'd better not :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 15 16:30:40 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by EMSR7000 on Tue Mar 15 16:10:44 2005.

I've also heard "schmooze" used in this context (or on anyone else you want to "butter" up)

No, "schmooze" would be engage in small talk (with the possible object of buttering somebody up).

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Tue Mar 15 17:02:50 2005, in response to MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 14 06:09:42 2005.

That's your typical, money-hungry MTA.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BMT Dude on Tue Mar 15 18:25:36 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 15 06:29:03 2005.

Paul, if they have any CURRENT MU controllers or NYCT keys and brake handles THEN the memorabilia IS a problem (that kind of hardware IS ILLEGAL to own and MTA/NYCT has a right to confiscate it....uh, owning R-9 cabs is exempt ;-D ).

BTW, if my understanding of copyright law is correct, all the owners have to do is change either the background color on the bulleted sign from the typical 'F' on orange circle to a blue or red OR change the font to a serif typeface, then they SHOULD be in the clear.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BMT Dude on Tue Mar 15 18:29:05 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 09:42:06 2005.

Bagels are round, right....well, add a chassis and VOILA! A mode of transportation!

(...now where did I leave that straight jacket???) :-(

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BMT Dude on Tue Mar 15 18:37:41 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 09:27:29 2005.

What I bet it boils down to is that some MTA fresh outta Law School suit -- with nothing better to do -- looked down from the Smith-Ninth Structure (or lives somewhere in the nab) and took it upon himself to gain 'brownie points' with his bosses. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if that is how it went down.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 19:40:01 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 08:57:41 2005.

As for Subway sandwich shops using B.M.T. as part of their menu. The legal (copyrighted) usage of the letters as related to the NYC subway stopped when the Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Company went out of business in 1940 as the City of NY took over the operations. The same goes for the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT). In fact these days (although they keep trying) the MTA doesn't even use IRT, BMT and IND as official designations

The MTA and its predecessors probably never had a hold on the initials BMT for another reason as well - The BMT never sold its corporate identity or logos to the Board of Transportation. It was a holding company - only the rail assets of its operating subsidiaries (New York Rapid Transit Corp and B&QT) were turned over. The BMT Corporation itself continued to exist until IIRC 1943 when its shareholders voted to dissolve the company.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 19:44:04 2005, in response to MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 14 06:09:42 2005.

If Subway Memorabilia is the issue then what about Golden's Deli in Staten Island?

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by BIE on Tue Mar 15 19:51:58 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 19:44:04 2005.

I think they're talking about station signs displayed in the restaurant.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Max Roberts on Wed Mar 16 03:27:52 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Alex L. on Tue Mar 15 12:11:07 2005.

Good luck. The more I think about this, the more I think that MTA has no leg to stand on. What about all the independently produced maps of the NY Subway. Does Eddie Jabbour have to pay royalties to MTA?

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Posted by #7 Flushing on Wed Mar 16 13:33:59 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 14 22:49:27 2005.

The same here with mine (Korean bagel place that makes good bagels) on Union Street in Flushing/Linden Hill.

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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Mar 16 13:40:41 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 08:57:41 2005.

In fact these days (although they keep trying) the MTA doesn't even use IRT, BMT and IND as official designations.

They might have given up. Look at the ends of any underground platform - those emergency signs (red background) that indicate the next emergency exit into the tunnel all use IND, IRT and BMT to indicate the division of the transit system that you are in.

--Mark

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by #7 Flushing on Wed Mar 16 13:41:48 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by the joe on Tue Mar 15 00:39:42 2005.

Yes, I know this bar as well on my way to give Sac's Placs Pizza. I took some pics of it as it caputured my interest. I just need to find where I put them on my home computer.

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Posted by #7 Flushing on Wed Mar 16 13:42:44 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by #7 Flushing on Wed Mar 16 13:41:48 2005.

..to give Sac's Placs Pizza a try. Very good regular slice (once you adjust for the coal oven flavor), the sicilian was a bit lacking.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:08:11 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Tue Mar 15 07:58:18 2005.

What about Subway's BMT sandwich? Or is BMT public domain now?

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Re: What about the Cof(F)(E)e shop at 51st?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:10:43 2005, in response to Re: What about the Cof(F)(E)e shop at 51st?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 14 22:20:56 2005.

And I was about to hit the rim shot button.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:57:47 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 11:07:51 2005.

Hey Kev, did you have to walk uphill both to and from school?:)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:59:44 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Tue Mar 15 09:49:02 2005.

I think I just came up with another abbreviation for IND: indigestion.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by EMSR7000 on Wed Mar 16 19:18:17 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Mar 15 16:30:40 2005.

I see. "Shmear" involves the plying of shekels, zlotys, or other currency.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by ntrainride on Wed Mar 16 22:45:15 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by heypaul on Mon Mar 14 09:31:26 2005.

Aw, come on man. That place ain't foresaken. It's not the prettiest part of town but I like the feel of the neighborhood. Smith/9th is more of an ad-hoc sort of station. It's good to have places like that. Everything can't turn out meticulously planned, weighted and measured. IMO the station is fine. And yeah, I like the stairs.

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 17 06:29:22 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by BMT Dude on Tue Mar 15 18:37:41 2005.

Sounds like someone who deserves a flagging job in a tight clearance area. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Mar 17 06:32:28 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:57:47 2005.

Wiseass. :)

It was UP hill to school, a nice downhill schwide (?) from school. That's why the buses didn't make it in the morning - forget which bus it was that went up Bailey Avenue from 231st and along Mosholu, but when there was snow and ice, there was a hill that it used to get up to Sedgewick that caused them to just slide back down ... that meant a walk. It was a couple of miles though, counted for whining points. :)

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Allan on Thu Mar 17 08:12:26 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Mar 16 15:08:11 2005.

BMT became "public domain" in around 1943 when the Brooklyn-Manhattan Transit Co. dissolved (3 years after the lines were taken over by the City).

While it was (and sometimes still is) used by the various agencies that ran the subways over the years to identify the divisions it no longer represents a legal entity (same goes for IRT and IND).

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Fytton on Thu Mar 17 08:18:40 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by Allan on Thu Mar 17 08:12:26 2005.

There is a difference between public domain and public ownership. If the MTA chose to register 'BMT', 'IRT' and 'IND' as trademarks it would not matter that those companies no longer exist (or are now publicly owned).

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Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else

Posted by Fytton on Thu Mar 17 08:21:04 2005, in response to Re: MTA Demands Slice of the Action at Brooklyn Bagel Shop or Else, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 15 11:19:23 2005.

Wimpy bars didn't sell jellied eels. They didn't sell traditional English food at all (it is surprisingly hard to find, in fact). They sold poor-quality American-style food (hamburgers and such) before the actual American brands (McDonalds, Burger King) arrived in the UK.

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