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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 16 22:53:21 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 22:41:37 2008. it would cost less to overhaul the fleetSource for this? What kind of overhaul? How much per PA1 car? What would the estimated useful life of a post-overhaul PA1 car be? you don't need new cars for CBTC. But the option chosen must be cost-effective, as apparently overhauling PA1/2/3s wouldn't be. That one could make PA1s CBTC-compatible with enough overhaul doesn't mean that one SHOULD spend to achieve that end. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 16 22:55:32 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 22:45:31 2008. NYCTA always goes for cheap cars now days, while they pay over a million dollars per car.You must be fairly wealthy to think that a million dollars isn't much money, then? |
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Posted by Forest Glen on Fri May 16 22:58:43 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Fri May 16 20:40:37 2008. Although I'm glad the PA-5's will be arriving, the PA-1's are high quality and durable cars. They're the best cars made in the 1960's. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 23:21:30 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 16 22:53:21 2008. GUY, THINK!. These agencies don't care about cost effectiveness anymore, it is a joke now.Overhaul a PA1, and it will be good for as long as 20+ years, with proper maintanence. NTTs will need a rebuild by 20 years as well. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 23:22:00 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 16 22:55:32 2008. They buy cheaply built cars, but don't get me wrong, they ARE expensive. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 17 22:27:13 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Forest Glen on Fri May 16 22:58:43 2008. Why are you glad the PA-5's are arriving??? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 17 22:27:24 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Fri May 16 20:40:37 2008. That's not true. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 17 23:11:16 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 17 22:27:13 2008. I wanna know, too. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Sun May 18 11:07:10 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 17 23:11:16 2008. Same here. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 13:05:03 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 22:02:03 2008. Pardon me for treading upon your sacred rail cars. In no way do these cars look, run or have aged better than any other cars in any other system. The latest models have unattractive interiors and I am being grown-up and kind. Have a wonderful day. PATH has never tried anything that the old BRT/BMT did in the past. They have not had any experimental cars that I am aware of, if I'm wrong, then just tell me so. NYC cars are close to my heart just as PATH cars are. The first time I rode PATH was in 1965 when those cars were new. Not better than New York's, they were a different design that was also eventually sold to another system. NYC has pretty much been custom made to their high standards. If that was the truth, the older designs wouldn't have lasted as long as they did. For my money, my heart and sentiment (because of my birthplace), I favor New Yorl. I am looking forward to riding Boston and Chicago lines for further comparisons. BRING BACK THE 3RD AVENUE EL!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 15:54:18 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 13:05:03 2008. Who cares if they have unattractive interiors? What matters is that they run, they they are at least semi comfortable, that they are fast, and that they have railfan windows. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 15:54:29 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 13:05:03 2008. Who cares if they have unattractive interiors? What matters is that they run, that they are at least semi comfortable, that they are fast, and that they have railfan windows. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:12:38 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 15:54:18 2008. As I said, it's your favorite line so ride it. Not everyone shares the same opinion. At least you recognized the fact that they look dirty and dated. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:18:14 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 22:32:52 2008. That makes no financial sense. They would not replace equipment if safety and cost of running them weren't issues. These are not the original best in the world subway designed cars like many think they are. You have to face the fact that they are machines. machnines wear out. Rebuilding on stressed out old frames is un-wise. Think about it. PATH is FASTER? Makes no difference. The system they run on is different from the greatest syetm in the world. Something the PATH can aspire, but hardly ever achieve. You still need to enclose that Journal Square station because it is over-ridden with litter. That makes for a very unappealing ride. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:20:11 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 22:32:52 2008. That makes no financial sense. They would not replace equipment if safety and cost of running them weren't issues. These are not the original best in the world subway designed cars like many think they are. You have to face the fact that they are machines. machnines wear out. Rebuilding on stressed out old frames is un-wise. Think about it. PATH is FASTER? Makes no difference. They run in a different system than NYC, which is considered THE BEST IN THE WORLD. Something the PATH can aspire, but hardly ever achieve. You still need to enclose that Journal Square station because it is over-ridden with litter. That makes for a very unappealing ride. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun May 18 17:23:02 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 33rd Street on Sun May 18 11:07:10 2008. He likes newer equipment nuff said. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:23:34 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 15:54:29 2008. You are comparing the Lilliput RR to the giant NYCMTA. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 18 17:36:17 2008, in response to PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by The Port of Authority on Thu May 15 19:46:52 2008. Great pics!! But what made the last one illegal?? |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 18 17:58:56 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun May 18 17:36:17 2008. You're supposed to get permission from the the Port Authority to photograph on PATH property. Nilet tried and it seemed difficult if not impossible to get such permission. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 19:11:44 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:12:38 2008. I didn't say it's my favorite line. I'm talking about why you think the cars need to be replaced just because they might have ugly interiors. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 19:12:13 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:23:34 2008. Huh? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 19:13:33 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Easy on Sun May 18 17:58:56 2008. I also tried it but got shot down because I wanted to go on somewhat of a "holiday". I need to try again to request access on a totally normal workday. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun May 18 19:16:46 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 19:13:33 2008. So they actually told you "No"? They just kept giving Nilet the runaround. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun May 18 19:37:24 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Easy on Sun May 18 19:16:46 2008. Running around |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 20:15:17 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Easy on Sun May 18 19:16:46 2008. Correct. They said "no, it is a holiday and we won't have the staff to go with you". |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 20:16:29 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 19:12:13 2008. The very first time I posted on this forum about the PATH I recall talking about how great it was the first time I rode it, in 1965. I loved it because the trains, at that time, did have some superior features over NY's. When I see that some of those trains still run, and they look worn out, why can't you guys accept that? It's the truth! End of story. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 20:32:30 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 17:18:14 2008. Guy, what is wrong with this stressed frame nonsense? Everyone here keeps talking about stressed frames and whining about how the old cars have stressed frames. Here is how it really is: The frames themselves on the well built old cars don't bend, which means they don't suffer much fatigue, as many imbecils here imply. The parts that experience fatigue are the parts like the bolsters, and trucks, all of which are replaceable. Now, some newer railcars have flexible bodies, and no frames, and THEY suffer fatigue in reality, especially the NTTs. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 21:06:17 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 20:32:30 2008. Everyone here keeps talking about stressed frames and whining about how the old cars have stressed frames. Here is how it really is: The frames themselves on the well built old cars don't bend, which means they don't suffer much fatigue, as many imbecils here imply.You dare to call other people here imbeciles with your strange and unjustified beliefs?! Please state your credentials in materials science and engineering. Please state how many years of experience you have working with railcars. And if your answers are zero and zero, respectively, post less bullshit, read the responses by people who know more than you do, and maybe, with education and effort, you will become more knowledgeable and less socially retarded. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 21:26:09 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Sun May 18 20:16:29 2008. It doesn't matter that they "look" worn out. What matters is what I posted about a few posts back. Plus how much maintaining the cars costs to PATH. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 22:21:20 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 21:06:17 2008. You have a BAD attitude, and have a high level of suggestibility. Think for yourself, rather than eat the chit other people throw around here. Not all people here are imbecils, but some are. Some are simply misinformed, and religiously follow that which is fed to them by the people they think know everything. It is all abuse of power, and lack of true thought. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 22:45:15 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 22:21:20 2008. Again, you evade the questions. I will state them, again:You dare to call other people here imbeciles with your strange and unjustified beliefs?! Please state your credentials in materials science and engineering. Please state how many years of experience you have working with railcars. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 18 22:47:58 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 22:45:15 2008. Answers to those questions are yes, none and none. |
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Posted by Metropod on Sun May 18 22:58:04 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 20:32:30 2008. No matter how old or how new, the metal expands and crontracts due to temperature, the forces of starting, stoping and moving in general.You don't know what you are talking about, SO SHUT UP! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 23:13:02 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Metropod on Sun May 18 22:58:04 2008. I know of metal contracting and expanding due to heat, that does not have the effect of fatigue like flexing does. Fatigue tends to occur at the corner points of metal, not in the center, that is why airplane windoes are round, not square, because they will be points of fatigue if they were square points. Forces of stopping and starting cause little fatigue, trivial fatigue, if any, and does not justify dumping these cars to the ocean. Mind you some railcars were in service for over 50 to 60 years, and there has never been an incident of a train crumbling to pieces, falling apart due to frame or body fatigue. Now the axles, and trucks and bolsters, THOSE are points of high stress, where fatigue can occur. Note that some of the current SMEE trucks are over 50 years old as well, and still rolling on the rails. Stop making guesses and assumptions, you arrogant guy. Know what is and what isn't this is done by reading facts. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun May 18 23:18:35 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 22:45:15 2008. Answer: "Darius McCollum has many years of operating experience in non civil service certified roles such as train operator, conductor, TW/O, Bus Operator and other self acclaimed titles" |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun May 18 23:26:28 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sun May 18 23:18:35 2008. Heh - don't forget that he also tried out for the role of LIRR engineer (which isn't civil service, if I recall right?) but the audition failed without passing the required exams.... |
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Posted by Metropod on Sun May 18 23:29:14 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 23:13:02 2008. I know facts. Unlike you,I actually worked around those old cars at themuseum. I know what I'm talking about. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 23:32:12 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Metropod on Sun May 18 23:29:14 2008. good, so then you agree somewhat. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon May 19 00:19:07 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Sun May 18 23:32:12 2008. no I don't. 9306 always made this creeking/sqeeking noise at one end when someone was walking around in the car. That car has been out of revenue for years, and it's beem making nosie. explain that one to me. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon May 19 00:24:01 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri May 16 07:19:26 2008. same daysame train, only east of JSQ and from the rear of a WTC train  
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 00:27:58 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by metropod on Mon May 19 00:19:07 2008. That has to do with the flooring, the sound has nothing to do with the structural integrity of the car body or frame.Are you implying that that car's frame is cracked or something? That if a fat person were to get on it, it would break in half? What do you think the noise is caused by? |
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Posted by metropod on Mon May 19 00:42:04 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 00:27:58 2008. the sound didn't come from the floor, it came from the roof of the car in the corner. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 00:53:37 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by metropod on Mon May 19 00:42:04 2008. Tell me precisely where the noise was coming from. If it is from around the door area, then the sound has to do with the door, wither trolley, or gear, or something of that sort. The worst case scenario is that there is a loose bolt at the corner, or a rivet, or maybe weld(unlikely), that causes rubbing between two plates as the car sways from side to side when moving, or when someone walks there. Plus it is the roof, lots of maintanence work goes into the fans, and maybe something was left loose after they did the work, or the sound is ventillation related. If the sqeaking is coming from the roof, then there is no big problem, even if it *IS* a loose bolt or something. The structural integrity isn't affected.I have even noticed some loose screws on PATH cars around the ventilation and end areas on the ceiling. Sometimes these either rattle, or cause squeaking. I have personally tightenned these screws when i came across them, and the rattling and sqeaking stopped. Heh, in a sense, i too have worked on railcars. Never realized that, but i *have* worked on the PATH cars. Good thing i realized this, now i have some crudentials which people here talk ask about. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon May 19 01:08:49 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon May 19 00:53:37 2008. I think you got a few screws loose you need tightened. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 01:11:37 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by BLE-NIMX on Mon May 19 01:08:49 2008. More than a few. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon May 19 10:53:41 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 19 01:11:37 2008. People, I am a total neophyte when it comes to the science of stressing metals and fatigue. But in the course of one's life, encountering things along the way, one learns things. I know that frame fatigue is a reality. I know that any subway car will eventually wear out. I don't have to be a transit employee anywhere to know this. But when a person starts spewing about the superiority of one car over another, and the call people names, it's time to call in a professional. Someone preferably in the medical field with letters after their name. I personally would love to have been able to chronicle a PATH car being used in the NY system. To see if it could hold up as well as any car built from any NY contract. I really enjoy the exchanges with all of the contributors here. That's what makes it great. People outside the business learning from those inside. I was born on top of two different rail system. We saw, heard and rode trains with great regularity. Anyway, this Journal-Square person (who has that nasty, dirty and extreme temperature station he has chosen for a name) must be quite insecure about the PATH system. He/she obviously would love to call the shots on that system. Of course, because that will never happen he shares his rather eclectic knowledge of what he thinks it should be. There are many publications out there about this subject and it has been said time and time again, New York's subway system may not be the biggest or the cleanest at every stop, but it is still classified as the BEST IN THE WORLD. The tiny Path with it's handful of stops is a quaint little line with some odd looking rolling stock. I think Boston bought this same design, didn't they? I would love to see the PATH expand and run more places. You see? Most of the people discussing this system are just having a discussion. They are not OBSESSING. I would love to ride every system in the world! The next system I am planning on riding is the London Underground because my wife was born there, has family there and we are planning to go next year. Wow, I'm running off at the mouth. Forgive me for drooling. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon May 19 10:57:00 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun May 18 21:26:09 2008. That's your opinion and you're sticking to it. I don't really care. I would have if you didn't want to ram it down my throat. You can't even take pictures of the little railroad that could (er, can't) because the secrets of it would be exposed. Please, cool it. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 10:57:09 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Mon May 19 10:53:41 2008. I would love to see the PATH expand and run more places.Like some others, I thought that PATH should be extended to Newark Airport - not into the airport, but to the station - but this was not the PA's thinking. |
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Posted by 156n3rd on Mon May 19 11:06:59 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 10:57:09 2008. I know this is way out of left field, but I wish they would come west to Pennsyltucky. I know that heavier, larger trains are probably called for, but it's been proven that kind of system can provide service over distance. It's just a pipe dream of mine because if I really had my way, they could tunnel the NYMTA under the Hudson and bring those trains out here. My imagination is running wild! The last passenger service in this area ended years ago. The bus service is smelly, slow and not convenient. Most of all, it's not trains! For it to be good, it must be on rails. Thank you for allowing me to froth. I just love this type of transit. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon May 19 11:32:15 2008, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Port Authority Trans-Hudson, posted by 156n3rd on Mon May 19 11:06:59 2008. Way out in left field - beyond the bleachers!AMTK or commuter rail is the way for you guys.... |
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