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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 13:29:57 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:23:56 2007. But you rarely see that. Comet V's are often mixed in with those other types, except for Port Jervis trains. Even the Pascack Valley trains are beginning to have older Comets mixed in. Speaking of Comets, I know that some Comet II's were rebuilt to look like Comet IV's, at least internally. What then do they call the Comets which retain the older brown seat/wood grain interiors most often seen on the Bay Head and Morris/Essex diesels? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:35:47 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 13:29:57 2007. The ones with brown (reversible) seats and center doors are Comet IIIs. The original Pullman Standard Comet Is have the brown non-reversible seats. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Dec 15 13:49:16 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 13:26:54 2007. No problem, I figured it was something like that.Cosmetically, I prefer the interior look of Comet V's to the exterior look. For some reason I never liked the "stainless steel" look on commuter coaches. Only on subways. So obviously, I'm not too thrilled about the look of the Arrow cars either. I prefer the Bombardier Comet II, III, and IV's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 13:55:35 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:35:47 2007. Ah, thanks. Add those Comet I's to the list of cars needing to be scrapped soon. They're a tiny bit more bearable than the IB's. |
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Posted by timz2 on Sat Dec 15 17:52:11 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 12:09:28 2007. "Boonton line service ended earlier, since the Erie main service was diverted down the Boonton line even before the merger (1958, IIRC)..."Sure, Erie main line trains shifted over to the DL&W Boonton line (alongside Croxton yard) starting in 1956 or whenever it was-- but the DL&W Boonton line passenger trains continued on their same routing until 1963, didn't they? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 18:16:09 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by timz2 on Sat Dec 15 17:52:11 2007. That I'm not so sure about. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 19:05:14 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 12:11:30 2007. That's an awful lot of locomotives to just cover a rebuilding. They could have easily ordered 6 locomotives (or hell, leased SEPTA's AEM7s and ALP) while the ALP44s go out for rebuilding a half dozen at a time. In any event I believe the ALP44 rebuilding is supposed to start in just a year or two, these new locomotives may not even be in service by then. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 19:23:36 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 12:03:35 2007. I'd be willing to bet something like the Montclair/Boonton and NJCL result in far worse vehicle utilization which costs NJT more than a straight diesel operation. I have nothing to back this up, but every time I've been to MSU or Long Branch a diesel has been sitting there idling away. Thus I'd argue it's more likely we'll see the combined diesel/electric operations homogenized before NJT goes biting off chunks of the Main/Bergen or RVL to electrify.The southern NJCL can definitely support electrification, what with the dense shore communities it operates through. Even Bay Head, for all its affluence is still pretty dense and Asbury Park is like a mini-Newark. The Boonton and Hackettstown portions may not have the highest population densities, but the Wayne Transit Center and Mt Arlington P&R show its utility in collecting car traffic from the north. If the Boonton were electrified it'd make some sense to run ML express trains from Hackettstown local to MSU, then express past most of Montclair, avoiding the potential issues with the close station spacing through there. Without the completion of the M&E's and M/B's electrification the new P&Rs in Wayne and Mt Arlington will be as useless as Ramsey Rt17. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 23:37:41 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:27:06 2007. Except that this sudden increase in motive power makes the potential electrification a very short term prospect. It's not like it really takes much to electrify a line these days, especially when the O&M stuff is already in place. At this point to complete the Montclair, M&E, and Boonton electrifications they'd just need two substations and around 50 miles of wire. The NJCL could probably get by with one new substation and 20 miles of new wire. Between the two projects you'd be talking less than 300 million dollars.But that doesn't answer my question, what do you think NJT will use these new ALP46s for if not for service on newly electrified lines? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 02:40:11 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 23:37:41 2007. Replacing the ALP44s. Watch a last-minute decision to not rebuild them surface. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 16 04:41:19 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 02:40:11 2007. That could not be a 1 for 1 replacement if the new ALP46 order is for 28 units. If the 20 early ALP44s go then we have an increase in electric locomotive fleet size and the ALP44Ms remain as a 10 unit unique fleet. If the ALP44Ms go as well then we're short by 4 units. Given the needs of the MLs and the potential future increases in train frequency on the electrified lines that seems a very highly unlikely event.The most likely scenario still seems to be electrification. There's very little lead time on something like a 25kv substation since power electronics are all modular these days. On the other hand Bombardier only has so much space at Kassel or Plattsburg and they've both been fairly busy of late. It is also a distinct possibility that NJT does not have to seek much public comment on electrification and thus is trying to keep the amount of time NIMBYs have to protest to a bare minimum. Then there's the unresolved matter of the two new P&Rs in what is now diesel territory. They at least correct the mistake MSU made in having terrible highway access, but if they're not electrified they'll simply repeat the same mistake NJT made with Ramsey Rt17. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:13:41 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by jb on Fri Dec 14 21:39:09 2007. Mothers', however, will have limited P/R service available. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:14:54 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 15 11:57:53 2007. It actually would be worthwile, IMO. Put in a long enough siding along Route 202 in Boonton or Lincoln Park, and one could run bidirectional seven-day-a-week service on the Boonton Line no worse than every 2 hours. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:39:34 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Dec 16 10:14:54 2007. I hear you, but I'd extend the wire to Port Morris first. Besides, you know what those rich bitches in Montclair will say to weekend and all day diesel thru service: Not In My Back Yard |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:45:31 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 23:37:41 2007. I still think it's a waste to electrify the remainder of the M & E or the southern section of the Coast Line, considering the meager demands for service on these lines. If you want to commit serious funding for additional electrification, the Main and Bergen lines make the most sense. These 2 lines probably run more trains per day than the rest of the others combined, even if you exclude Port Jervis runs. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:50:03 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 19:05:14 2007. Perhaps they want the option of increasing service on existing electrified lines, or they are covertly planning to scrap some or all of the Arrow III's. They could do that if they reverse their decision to not rebuild their remaining Comet III's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:57:15 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sat Dec 15 19:23:36 2007. The southern NJCL's ridership drops off south of Asbury Park, and this line has far, far too many grade crossings to allow significantly increased service. I think NJT should commit precious capital funds to electrifying the most heavily patronized diesel routes, like the Main, Bergen and Raritan Valley (from Raritan east). Diesel makes more sense on a route with 2 hour off-peak headways. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 12:09:05 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:45:31 2007. There might be certain considerations that dictate having an entire line electrified rather than having joint diesel/electric operations over the same line. If so, that would favor completion of electrification on lines that are presently electrified to the greatest, but not complete, extent. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:25:05 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by timz2 on Fri Dec 14 15:29:09 2007.    Hope this helps. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:34:17 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by timz2 on Fri Dec 14 15:29:09 2007. After the merger:  |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 12:40:52 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:34:17 2007. Nice! |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 13:13:21 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by timz2 on Fri Dec 14 15:29:09 2007. Here some old pictures of the PASSAIC station:Early 1900s:   Not sure where is station is located in Passaic today:  In 1930....very active town:  At this point in the 1950s, the town really wants to get rid of the station as they feel it is a traffic hazard for the growing community:  Here you go!....the LAST TRAIN TO PASSAIC in APRIL 1963  Now the area is a big street level parking lot. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 13:27:26 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:39:34 2007. The reasoning behind this was at one point E-L used to run FREIGHT right through the town in order to get more revenue. At one point there was one or two derailments that really pushed the ticket to end all weekend service. Plus if I am not mistaken, they also have a large number if grade-crossings in the town, which the towns people really wanted a break from the trains stopping the flow of traffic in the town. For this reason, all the other towns on the line get no service on the line because of Montclair. One town raises hell and the others suffer. Is there no justice? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 16 15:31:02 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 16 04:41:19 2007. same mistake NJT made with Ramsey Rt17.I'd suspect that the follow issues are at play: - The stations on the Port Jervis line have rather decent sized parking lots - There's bus service from Shortline directly into Manhattan in Orange County as well - In Bergen County, there's plenty of direct service in PABT - The area to the west of the line isn't that dense, and nobody lives west of I-287... - The area to the east rides the half-assed PVL and isn't that dense either... - The garage that was constructed appears to be bigger than the one constructed at MSU... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 17:01:26 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 16 15:31:02 2007. The area to the east rides the half-assed PVL and isn't that dense eitherVisit Bergenfield one day. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 16 18:01:45 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 17:01:26 2007. Visit Bergenfield one day.Now why would anybody drive from Bergenfield to Ramsey to catch commuter rail service when one can catch bus service in Bergenfield or drive to Lombardi P&R... Of course, it would help if NJT provided railway service on the West Shore and extended HBLR to Tenafly, but I know you hate the other half of my idea... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 18:10:43 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 16 18:01:45 2007. Now why would anybody drive from Bergenfield to Ramsey to catch commuter rail service when one can catch bus service in Bergenfield or drive to Lombardi P&RBecause traffic is utterly immobile in the direction the buses and cars are going. Bus service crawls; cars crawl; it's a disaster. I suppose you have not seen what it's like in Bergenfield. Of course, it would help if NJT provided railway service on the West Shore and extended HBLR to Tenafly, but I know you hate the other half of my idea NJTR labor hates it, so I hate it. If NJTR got to operate it and the vehicles were up to tram-train standards, I wouldn't have such a problem with it. (I'd rather Arrows operated on both lines, frankly.) The West Shore line has room for four tracks in Bergenfield. And it's got a single track through there. Does anyone turn a four-lane highway into a single lane with passing sidings? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 16 21:21:20 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:25:05 2007. I did get a chance to ride from North Newark to Arlington, back in the early 80's. Bus from Newark Penn Station to North Newark station. N.N had an elevated platform of a sort, more like on an slope west of Broadway. But you did have to walk up the stairs to the platform. Train to Arlington station, which got me a puzzled look from the conductor when I bought the ticket on the train. From there I walked up to the Kingsland station and caught a train to Paterson. Whereupon I walked down to the Great Notch station and caught a late-afternoon express to Hoboken. I remember thinking, too bad there's no more ferries from here. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Dec 16 22:03:50 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 16 11:50:03 2007. Perhaps they want the option of increasing service on existing electrified lines,And how are they going to do that? Waterfront Connector can only accomodate so many trains and Newark is a terrible terminal. By extending electrification on the partially electrified lines and extending trains it'll be possible to give more people a one seat ride into Manhattan without putting any more stress on Kearny Jct, Secaucus, or the North River tubes. or they are covertly planning to scrap some or all of the Arrow III's. They could do that if they reverse their decision to not rebuild their remaining Comet III's. No they could not. There are 49 Comet IIIs and 228 Arrows IIIs, even if they were to hold onto the Comet IIIs and use the new Multilevels they wouldn't have enough cars to cover their trains if they dumped the Arrows. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 16 23:57:48 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 16 22:03:50 2007. Never attribute to magnanimity what can be more accurately described as malice . . . or something like that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:02:53 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by WillD on Sun Dec 16 22:03:50 2007. I said they could scrap some, not necessarily all. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:06:07 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Dec 16 12:09:05 2007. I would think that you'd want to electrify the lines most used. If you extend the NJCL wire down to Bayhead, what's really being upgraded? You're not gonna run significantly more trains. All you gain is the elimination of a transfer to midtown. If you electrify the Main and Bergen lines, you reduce your diesel usage a whole LOT more. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:08:32 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 13:27:26 2007. Check out who exactly lives in Montclair. The people who really get screwed over are those in Newark, who could use the service. If I were the NJT, I'd run weekend service to Bay Street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:13:07 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Dec 16 18:01:45 2007. Of course, it would help if NJT provided railway service on the West Shore Pardon my ignorance, but is that the line my 1930's era Erie RR map shows running to the east of the Pascack Valley line, terminating in Nyack? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:16:51 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:25:05 2007. It does. Anyone know if the Sussex Branch ROW is still intact? I know Caldwell is a rail trail and Greenwood Lake north of Pompton is gone. Only 3 more years before most of this service is gone :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:20:11 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 12:34:17 2007. That pretty much looks like the Boonton line's service pattern all the way to 2002. Thanks for posting these things. You'd never know this railroad was teetering on the brink ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:29:59 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by streetcarman1 on Sun Dec 16 13:13:21 2007. Today's Passaic station is on an embankment, and is an island platform, much like Union and Roselle Park on the RVL. South of it it appears to veer sharply east and over to the old Boonton ROW. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:31:53 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:29:59 2007. Check that, I was describing the Patterson station, the point where the Main line appears to leave it's original ROW and veer east onto the Boonton line. The existing Passaic station is on the Boonton line. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 17 11:46:37 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:31:53 2007. The ex-Erie Paterson station still has the area available where the platforms of the local trains from the Newark Branch used to terminate; looks like at least three stub tracks. They're on a lower level than on the current platform, looking west. NJT parks their MOW trucks on there. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:54:31 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 17 11:46:37 2007. I sorta thought that diverging freight railroad was at least part of the original ROW, with it's adjacent yard. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Dec 17 13:04:24 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:16:51 2007. Sorry to tell you....most all if it is GONE. It was for the most part a single track operation. What kept the line afloat was the freight service for the dairy people along the line. When the rural characteristics started to change in Sussex County, most sold out to real estate developers who wanted to make some parts of the county more suburban and less rural. So there went the needed revenue to keep it afloat. From then on, E-L ended all operations to Branchville. I posted a few pics once before in another thread:Washington, NJ station way back in the day:  Hampton, NJ station way back in the day:  Newton, NJ in the 1960s:   Newton in 1967......the final call:   Newton today:     Branchville, NJ in 1967 when the line was being torn up:    Branchville, NJ today at the Firehouse where the terminal used to be:   |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Dec 17 13:39:44 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:08:32 2007. Montclair should be forced to suffer for the common good. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Dec 17 14:05:08 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:16:51 2007. Sorry to tell you....most all if it is GONE. It was for the most part a single track operation. What kept the line afloat was the freight service for the dairy people along the line. When the rural characteristics started to change in Sussex County, most sold out to real estate developers who wanted to make some parts of the county more suburban and less rural. So there went the needed revenue to keep it afloat. From then on, E-L ended all operations to Branchville. I posted a few pics once before in another thread:Washington, NJ station way back in the day: Hampton, NJ station way back in the day: Newton, NJ in the 1960s: Newton in 1967......the final call: Newton today: Branchville, NJ in 1967 when the line was being torn up: Branchville, NJ today at the Firehouse where the terminal used to be: |
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Posted by timz2 on Mon Dec 17 16:27:32 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:13:07 2007. "is that [West Shore] the line my 1930's era Erie RR map shows running to the east of the Pascack Valley line, terminating in Nyack?"The line that ended in Nyack was the NRRNJ (Erie) that lost its passenger trains in 1966. The West Shore is the still-active thru freight line, west of that; it lost its passenger trains in 1958-59. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 17 18:33:32 2007, in response to Re: Erie to Nyack, posted by timz2 on Mon Dec 17 16:27:32 2007. More info: NRRNJ stands for Northern Railroad of New Jersey. It's also called the "Northern Branch" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 17 18:52:03 2007, in response to Re: Speaking of the Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Dec 14 12:49:32 2007. Unless you're talking about something else, the line veers south and the yard is to the southeast. That is the old route. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 17 19:02:59 2007, in response to Re: Boonton line ..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:54:31 2007. I thought too because it looks aligned with the original ROW. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Dec 17 19:15:37 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 17 11:06:07 2007. Agreed, but eliminating diesel operations on the NJCL would remove diesels from that line, and the only heavy rail service left "in the south" using diesel would be the ACL.Another downside to electrifying NJCL, though, to be balanced, is that while it banishes diesels from the line, it might not do too much to decrease running times over the presently unelectrified stretch. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 17 19:38:25 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Dec 17 19:15:37 2007. However, it will potentially make some crews redundant. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 18 16:31:14 2007, in response to Re: Wayne Transit Center to serve Boonton Line in January, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Dec 17 19:15:37 2007. Another downside to electrifying NJCL, though, to be balanced, is that while it banishes diesels from the line, it might not do too much to decrease running times over the presently unelectrified stretchWhy not? Long Branch becomes a station stop instead of a layover spot, again. The electric motors still out-accelerate the diesels, so average speeds would rise (of course, if they could still run MUs there, the average speeds would get even better). If the improvements to the line are sufficient along with electrification, the 60-mph speed limit could come up to 80 mph to match the rest of the NJCL. |
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