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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:30:09 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:16:28 2007.

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No, this is another cop out by you. I presented evidence that directly contradicts you and you can't say anything. Funny how that happens... It's called "being dishonest." And now you are even adding an unwarranted personal attack. Well la-dee-dah, aren't you a fancy lad? Just more proff that I have you cornered - when you run out of valid things to say, you launch an unwarranted personal attack.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:31:59 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:23:21 2007.

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employees are only as good as the quality of the training they receive and any SOLUTION involves "improving" that training. Let's PRAY that this makes its way down to those in the trains ... :)

And the vast majority of employees don't act like this T/O did. So how is this a training issue again? Does everyone who took the training class with her act like this, or is it just her? There's your answer.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:33:01 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:30:09 2007.

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Heh. Go ahead, BE a putz. Enjoy your unwarranted personal attack, it looks pretty on you. Makes you look good and gurly. :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:34:16 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Dec 14 14:21:01 2007.

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Damn! Got snapped up in a vortex of suckage and missed the question. Heh. SETI ... computer thyme ... need turmeric? :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by South Ferry on Fri Dec 14 14:34:42 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:31:59 2007.

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& I'm sure somewhere along the training, Tee-Yay employees are urged to be courteous and professional--- this one lacked.

(issue doesnt lay necessarily with her motion to call-it-in, but rather the WORDING she wrongly used with our fellow brah).

Doesn't take a COW to see that.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by South Ferry on Fri Dec 14 14:35:37 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by South Ferry on Fri Dec 14 14:34:42 2007.

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Years ago, that word wouldn't carry poop value.... today it does & it's wrongly misplaced herein.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:36:26 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:33:01 2007.

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Another cop out by you. You can't just addresses the discussion. You are being very dishonest. I have made this claim about several of your posts before. And even since you came back after your like 2-minute hiatus (that's about how long it took, after larry locked your account as per your request, for you to claim that you were banned and wronged and wanted to come back), it seems you haven't changed.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:37:32 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by South Ferry on Fri Dec 14 14:34:42 2007.

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It's not just that. She took it upon herself to enforce a rule that no one told her was a rule and that no one told her needed enforcing.

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 14 14:50:08 2007, in response to Called A "Terrorist" By A T/O, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 9 00:42:46 2007.

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I missed post 600 :(

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Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O

Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Dec 14 14:53:21 2007, in response to Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 14 14:50:08 2007.

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Try for post 1000 on the other thread!

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:54:33 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 14:36:26 2007.

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UNwarranted personal attack. Thanks again, draedelboy. :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 14 15:22:00 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:33:01 2007.

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Didn't you learn from the first time,dude?

Follow your own advise...
You KNOW you are wasting your time.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:24:28 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 14 15:22:00 2007.

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Heh. It's that time of year ... just GOTTA give it a spin. :)

Said my bit, I'm done. I *LIE* (grin)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 15:27:12 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:54:33 2007.

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Another dishonest post by you. I made no unwarranted personal attack. You still can't address the issues. I have you cornered.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 15:29:03 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 14:54:33 2007.

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Dreidel Boy?!?



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 15:31:06 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:24:28 2007.

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You mean you just have to be dishonest.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 15:33:03 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Edwards! on Fri Dec 14 15:22:00 2007.

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Thank you! He is indeed wasting his time bringing up the same irrelevant points again and again. If he could stick to the issues being discussed, and post honestly, and not make unwarranted personal attacks once i've made a point that he can't refute, then he would save a lot of time.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:53:56 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 15:27:12 2007.

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Heh.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:54:29 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 15:29:03 2007.

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Watch him spin, make a wish. :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:55:22 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 15:33:03 2007.

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Heh. Goggle MUST be fed! :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:12:10 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:53:56 2007.

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You still can't address the issues. I have you cornered.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:13:45 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:54:29 2007.

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Watch you make a drama queen exit, insult everyone including the webmaster on your way out, ask to have your account locked, cry about being banned when you weren't, and then return as if nothing happened, including continuing to be a dishonest poster.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:15:58 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 15:55:22 2007.

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You mean the GOOGLE that you don't know how to use and which your jealousy of caused you to take a drama queen fueled 2-minute hiatus recently?

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 16:40:24 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:12:10 2007.

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So KISS me ... I'm YOURS! :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 16:42:36 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:13:45 2007.

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Heh. So THIS is your argument? Dreidel, dreidel, dreidel ... you dry and ready yet? :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 16:43:33 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 16:15:58 2007.

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Heh. When you have no argument, go on a personal attack. Love it ... shouldn't you be gone by now? Getting dark, y'all ... :)

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by South Ferry on Fri Dec 14 17:34:55 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Dec 14 16:43:33 2007.

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shouldn't you be gone by now? Getting dark, y'all ... :)

Looking from a certain angle, this carries shades of a "personal attack".... Kev.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 17:48:52 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 11:03:11 2007.

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I don't have the memo

I havent seen anything "updated" in a while,(and i read that bulletin board every day when i report to work) since the first "notice" came out..

I will look for it tomm and see if i can "clarify" a few things..

IF i can find it...

As for all the other drama that i see posted, all i can say is it could have been handled better by "Both" Parites invovled perhaps?

It should be just left at that really....


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 14 17:58:10 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Dec 14 09:38:42 2007.

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Maybe you're just pretending to have read the memo.

Maybe you didn't read it at all, and are too embarrassed to admit it. You just made up what you wanted to read.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:15:13 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 12:33:22 2007.

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The MTA is fully aware of how its employees are treating photographers and while adopting an "official" line that photography is legal it has given tacit approval to its employees to enforce an "unofficial" ban.

I dont recall no such notice, memo or bulletin saying that..



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:27:47 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by RonInBayside on Fri Dec 14 17:58:10 2007.

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Maybe you're just pretending to have read the memo.

Maybe you didn't read it at all, and are too embarrassed to admit it. You just made up what you wanted to read.


All i have to say is i just went through Memos from 2001 to 2006 on my computer and i cant find it..

Will ask a TSS tomm at BedPark..


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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 18:31:56 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:15:13 2007.

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I said "tacit" approval, meaning non-verbal or implicit. If the MTA were seriously concerned about complying with the photography rules it would have issued memos once it became known to them that employees are in fact stopping legal photography of the system. Both the NYPD and the MTA are taking advantage of the current situation - they get to get to put on a nice public face and say that there are no photography bans while at the same time allowing employees and officers to enforce a "back door" ban.

This is why I feel that lawsuits should be filed each and every time a photographer is told he cannot take a picture - hit them in the pocket where it hurts - make the NYPD and MTA bleed money till the harassment stops!

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Dec 14 18:32:24 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:15:13 2007.

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Right. Plus, if MTA were going to be that sinister, they'd probably not be stupid enough to put that down in a widely circulated memo. Although MTA being MTA, maybe I shouldn't say that.....

Nah - even MTA politicians wouldn't be that stupid.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 18:37:47 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 18:31:56 2007.

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It is what I consider approval by inaction rather than by action. The MTA and the NYPD are fully aware what their employees are doing. The NYCLU, NPPA, Pictureny.Org, and various photo clubs have written letters and filed complaints. The fact that they have not issued a clarification of the rules to their employees means that they are allowing, if not encouraging harassment of photographers.

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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:44:34 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 18:31:56 2007.

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Again No Dispt, TSS or Supt has told me anything as such..

Now if some of these people dont know thier "own" rules i cant help that but I KNOW them so thats what matters..



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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Dec 14 18:53:51 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 14 18:44:34 2007.

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Again No Dispt, TSS or Supt has told me anything as such..

That's not the point I am trying to make. It is fine that you know the rules and your dispatchers, etc. know them too. However many employees don't and despite letters from the NYCLU and other organizations the MTA has done NOTHING to address that situation. It is happening too many times to too many photographers to be an isolated incident (just look at Flickr and the other photo boards). Same issue with the NYPD.

It's like some bill collectors that I used to work with many years ago. If a customer complained management would apologize for their behavior and smooth talk the customer in question. Meanwhile allowing the collector and others to continue harassing those who did not complain. The OFFICIAL memos and work rules said one thing but what the company tolerated and encouraged was something else entirely. All done with winks, nods and pats on the back - NO MEMOS!!

If the MTA is serious about resolving this issue then it should issue a clear and unambiguous memo to all employees reiterating that photography is legal. OTOH I doubt that they will ever do that unless forced to by court order.



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