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Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O)

Posted by BMTLines on Sat Dec 15 00:00:25 2007, in response to Re: MTA training (Re: Called A ''Terrorist'' By A T/O), posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 14 22:38:59 2007.

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What everyone seems to forget is that the NYCT according to that same often-quoted pamphlet, IIRC, can unilaterally change the rules about on-system photography or ban it altogether at their discretion. Other properties have already done so.

If they could change the rules unilaterally then there was no reason for them to have public hearings when the photography rule change was proposed in 2004. It isn't that easy. Meanwhile other properties are actually liberalizing the rules with the exception of PATH. NJ Transit dropped its permit requirement, Boston no longer requires a permit, LA promulgated new rules allowing non commercial photography....

NYCRR stands for New York Code Rules and Regulations The process for amending those rules is shown at that site. As you can see it isn't as simple as declaring photography banned.

If NYCT decides to ban photography then the constitutional issue comes into play which the NYCLU will fight. They will also have to contend with groups like PICTURENY.ORG which was instrumental in blocking passage of the initial MOFTB street photography regulations.

There are just too many stories on this site, Flickr, PictureNY, Photopermit.org and others relaying stories of photographer harassment both by the NYPD and the MTA. Too many people are being told that photography in the subway is illegal. Therein lies the problem. That is why I found Nilet's account to be plausible. If these stories did not exist and Nilet's experience was truly unique then I would have given the benefit of the doubt to the MTA. But I have witnessed cops telling tourists on the subway not to take pictures. They were not blocking anyone's passage or in any way interfering with operations.

If safety were the concern then the cop/employee should say something like - "you can't stand here but it is ok to stand in the middle of the platform". But that is not what they say - they say photography is prohibited systemwide and at all times - period. That's the problem!!!

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