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PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007


Swedish built IC3 rubber ended DMU, both Amtrak and VIA tested these in 1996



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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by Easy on Tue Jan 30 00:32:33 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Nice pictures. Hope that you had a good time.

Does Israel consider rail photography to be a big security risk?

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:42:26 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Easy on Tue Jan 30 00:32:33 2007.

I encountered no problems. That said, any of the following may be required of you as you enter a bus station, train station, or Carmelit station:

1. Show passport or other official ID
2. Be wanded with handheld metal detector
3. Open all bags and pockets for inspection
4. Open all luggage for inspection
5. Answer any queustion pertaining to but not limited to the following: where you are from, where you are going, why you are in Israel, how long are you in Israel for, do you speak Hebrew, where did you learn Hebrew, etc.

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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 30 00:43:20 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:42:26 2007.

do you speak Hebrew, where did you learn Hebrew,

What does that have to do with anything?

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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:49:04 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 30 00:43:20 2007.

Unlike in the States, security people in Israel are focused on your behavior, not whether you have metal objects or a pocket knife with you. It is believed that a terrorist would not be able to honestly and calmly answer those questions under pressure during a brief interrogation. It matters less as to what answer you give. Rather, the focus of the agent or guard is on how you behave during the questioning.

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 06:47:35 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jan 30 00:43:20 2007.

El Al asks this during the security process.

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Posted by Dave on Tue Jan 30 06:50:18 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

<< Trains operate seven days a week, although service is limited on Fridays, Saturdays, holiday eves, and after the conclusion of holidays. There are no trains during the Jewish Sabbath and holidays. >>

How do they operate seven days a week if there are no trains on the Sabbath?

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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 06:50:25 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Great pics!!! Thanks!!!

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Posted by Fytton on Tue Jan 30 06:54:32 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 30 06:50:18 2007.

'How do they operate seven days a week if there are no trains on the Sabbath?'

They operate until 3 p.m. on Fridays, and start operating at sundown on Saturdays.


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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 06:58:48 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

That rubber end looks like a big old beard.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:07:10 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 06:58:48 2007.

like what you wear with your ''orthodox garb'' - your admission !!
and dont lie !!
lmao

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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 09:29:55 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:49:04 2007.

Yes, true. That's not to say that Israeli security won't confiscate your pocket knife (rest assured they will).

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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 09:31:23 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Very nice.

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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 09:34:39 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:07:10 2007.

stick it up your ass, fuckhead.

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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 09:37:06 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:07:10 2007.

HoW MANY fucking times do you have to be shown? RETARD

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:46:06 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 09:34:39 2007.

You stick it up your ass, fuckhead!!
ladies first !!
LMAO

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:48:23 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 09:37:06 2007.

hey fool i posted that wrong !!
it was on tha r32 on the ACE .............
i posted that wrong madammm !!
ladies first !!


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Posted by Scrabbleship on Tue Jan 30 09:53:56 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Good pictures from one of the greatest nations of the world. More nations should aspire to be like the functional success Isreal has been and more people should live like its citizens.

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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Jan 30 10:03:33 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Nice pictures. I ride Israrail one round trip once a month, on average. Thanks to you I know now the designation of the equipment I prefer, the IC3. The IC3 trains are comfortable. They're smooth riding and they run in Triplex sets, having shared trucks. (Old-time BMT fans I'm sure are not surprised by the linkage, pun intended.) But they have only one door per side, making for a long time for getting off and getting on of passengers, so best for express runs. The bi-levels are okay, too. The older cars I find to be rougher riding and noisier, but maybe it's just me.

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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jan 30 10:14:05 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Nice pics!

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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 10:16:16 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:42:26 2007.

Everytime I look up the area on Flickr, I always see soldiers on their way somewhere at those train stations.

How early do you have to arrive at the station to go through that whole process?

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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 10:25:42 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 06:58:48 2007.

European trains.

Same train in Sweden...on a FERRY!

To save posts and keep it in one reply to a random person; The double decks are german too.

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Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 10:30:33 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:48:23 2007.

It WAS SUBFAN that you met not me, retard.

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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 10:32:01 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 10:25:42 2007.

neat

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Posted by subfan on Tue Jan 30 11:36:45 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 09:07:10 2007.

You are obviously referring to me and once again confusing me with SubwaySurf. That said, is there a particular reason you are being offensive, or is it just on general policy? I am generally quite careful to avoid flame-type posting, and do not believe I gave reason for offense when I met you in person; a bit of courtesy in resonse would be appreciated.

For what it's worth, yes, I am Orthodox and do wear the associated head covering, but do not have a beard or wear any particularly "orthodx-type" garb. As a person who wears clothing associated with his beliefs as well, you really have no business making a comment like the one in your post - people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Jan 30 11:53:10 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 10:16:16 2007.

It usually takes less than a minute. If you have luggage it'll take longer, maybe a couple of minutes, and make sure you have your passport handy. Questions are asked. The content of the responses and how they are made are considered and usually away you go. It's certainly less, a whole lot less, than trying to get on a plane. This comes from multiple first-hand experiences.

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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jan 30 12:39:47 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 10:30:33 2007.

He's so brain short that he probably doesn't know the difference between SubChat and OTChat, or he just attacks his usual targets regardless of where they posted.

He's hopeless!



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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 12:44:34 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

You didn't get to see any of the trains to Jerusalem did you?
I saw an article about them this month, slow etc. I have a hard time finding a lot of info about their systems. Maybe it's because I don't know the language? who knows.

Too bad the HSR and Tel Aviv LRT isn't running yet.

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:01:31 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 12:44:34 2007.

You didn't get to see any of the trains to Jerusalem did you?

There are photos on his website a train at the Jerusalem station.

I saw an article about them this month, slow etc.

I read that too. Now most trains are no longer through - you can to change to get between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and there's a 40 minute layover in the off-peak direction.

I have a hard time finding a lot of info about their systems. Maybe it's because I don't know the language? who knows.

They have an English version of the website.

Too bad the HSR and Tel Aviv LRT isn't running yet.

And the Jerusalem LRT. Can't wait till all 3 are up and running.

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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jan 30 13:07:20 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

Useless Facts: The Israel Railways diesel locomotives are Alstom PRIMA locomotives which are relatively similar to the PL42ACs currently running on NJT. Ironically, the same PRIMAs running in Israel are also currently in use on the Iranian Railway system along with some Rc-4s, which are the locomotives that the AEM-7s and ALP-44s are based on...

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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:24:03 2007, in response to PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 00:01:28 2007.

GA-DE 900 AC



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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 13:26:03 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:01:31 2007.

*There are photos on his website a train at the Jerusalem station.*

Noted. I must've missed reading the captions. Was looking for something long distance looking, even though it's not really that far.

*I read that too. Now most trains are no longer through - you can to change to get between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem, and there's a 40 minute layover in the off-peak direction.*
that's the exact article I read.

*They have an English version of the website.*
I've seen it. Maybe I'm picky in what I'm trying to find. I like it when systems give me real maps instead just just a red and blue line. I can't make heads or tails out of their system map to be honest. And when the lines aren't to scale, then my distance and time is off too.

*And the Jerusalem LRT. Can't wait till all 3 are up and running. *

Duly noted.
The Tel Aviv project feels slow to me for some reason.
"This means that work on the project is not expected to start before 2008, and after at least five years of intensive construction, the Red Line trains - the first stage of the project - will leave in 2014."

Looking for that quick quote, I found this recent thing:

Yesterdays News

The plan calls for the electrification of 250 kilometers of track, replacing the diesel locomotives now in use

The National Infrastructures Committee advised last week that it had approved in principle the Israel Railways (IR) plan to begin electrification of Israelís rail network.
In 2004 it was announced that IR was to electrify 300 route-km within 5 years at an estimated cost of $US350m. Following completion, savings in maintenance and operating expenses of some $US66m annually were projected and eventually it was hoped to have 838 route-km under wires.

...
The first section to be wired is that between Tel Aviv and Modi'in (53km), after which the northern main line from Tel Aviv to Binyamina and Akko will be tackled. This is to be followed by the electrification of an entirely new line - not yet started - from Akko to Karmiel, as well as the recently reopened line to Jerusalem. Another new line, that linking Tel Aviv to Rishon, is also to be electrified.


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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 13:28:37 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:24:03 2007.

I just noticed something in the photo you linked that I hadn't seen before.

The Passenger carriages on the left. Notice the two ac units on top of each?
If their not the same, they look way to similiar to the old HVAC systems on top of the SEPTA Neoplans.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:32:09 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:24:03 2007.

Thanks. I'll update it.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:37:23 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jan 30 12:44:34 2007.

I rode the Tel Aviv-Jerusalem line. As Terrapin Station posted, there is no longer direct service Sunday-Thursday, and a timed transfer is required in the peak direction. The off-peak direction layover is between 40 to 60 minutes. Luckily, I rode it on a Friday, although it was pretty empty.

There is some information in English, especially if you can find someone's blog about their trip to Israel. Also, Israel Railways has an English version of its site.

HSR is due to open in 2011. Although the current Tel Aviv-Jerusalem line is very scenic, it is not a very viable travel option if you are trying to get to Jerusalem quickly. It will also create a line from Ben Gurion Airport to Jerusalem, which will be good since there has not been direct bus service from the airport to Jerusalem since the new terminal opened a few years ago.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:39:11 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Tue Jan 30 10:03:33 2007.

I only rode the IC3 when I went from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, the bilevels don't seem to run that line. I liked them more than the bilevels. I find the lack of good luggage storage on the bilevels to be strange. I saw the older trains but did not ride them, they look like they should be retired ASAP though.

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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 15:43:41 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:39:11 2007.

Do they get up to a good speed? My dad told me about the very early days of Israeli trains decades ago. They were lucky to get up to 10 mph and the joke was that if a train was going to derail, which was not uncommon, you could serve lunch and take bets as to which side the cars would fall over. It would take them a while to decide.

I imagine the trains run much better today.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:53:57 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 15:43:41 2007.

A large portion of the line, especially between Bet Shemesh and Jerusalem is limited to either 50 KPH or 60 KPH (31 and 37 MPH respectively). The Tel Aviv-Nahariya line is much faster. It only takes about 20 minutes to get from Tel Aviv to Ben Gurion Airport, and an hour from Tel Aviv to Haifa.

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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 15:55:07 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 15:53:57 2007.

Thanks. Slowpoke. However: Better than no train at all.

Airport service, eh? Very nice.

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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 16:09:51 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jan 30 13:24:03 2007.

Note the ZIM cargo containers. They show up here in the US too on container trains and trucks.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 30 16:43:33 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 09:29:55 2007.

And they won't be concerned about "violating your civil rights" while doing so. Because one mistake could mean death.

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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 30 16:43:59 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Dave on Tue Jan 30 06:50:18 2007.

Yeah, I saw that too. Its clearly not seven days per week.

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 16:51:06 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jan 30 16:43:59 2007.

Service ends early Friday afternoon and resumes Motzaei Shabbat. The only day to not have any service is Yom Kippur when trains don't resume running again until the following morning.

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 17:05:16 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jan 30 12:39:47 2007.

not true! he introduced himself to me as SUBWAYSURF by name !!

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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 17:05:24 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Jan 30 10:30:33 2007.

not true! he introduced himself to me as SUBWAYSURF by name !!

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Posted by subfan on Tue Jan 30 17:13:51 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Jan 30 17:05:16 2007.

You are incorrect. It was me, and I introduced myself as subfan. Now, do you wish to respond to my earlier post in this thread?

subfan

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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 17:15:06 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by subfan on Tue Jan 30 17:13:51 2007.

Don't hold your breath waiting for a response from him, and if he replies, don't expect a direct answer...

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Posted by subfan on Tue Jan 30 17:18:03 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Jan 30 15:55:07 2007.

Yes, I used it the last time I was in Israel; it was very nice indeed (and much cheaper than a cab) They actually also just extended the airport line to the city of Lod, where you can connect to the line to Beit Shemesh and Jerusalem or the southern lines without doubling back to Tel Aviv.

As to why the IC-3s are used on the line to Jerusalem - the engines on the bi-levels are not poweful enough for the grades on the line.

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Posted by subfan on Tue Jan 30 17:19:08 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Jan 30 17:15:06 2007.

I'm not, but felt I should provide the opportunity for a civil "I'm sorry".

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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 30 17:21:46 2007, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Israel Railways, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jan 30 13:07:20 2007.

Yep, French designed, Spanish-built locomotives hauling German coaches alongside Danish/Swedish MUs. If Amtrak had the smarts to buy those Flexliner DMUs you'd have yet another connection between US and Israeli foreign built equipment, and Amtrak (as well as Commuter lines around the country) would have excellent FRA-compatible DMUs. For what its worth the Flexliner that we tested wound up going to Israel. I guess there actually is a developed country in worse shape than the US when it comes to indigenous rolling stock manufacturing and passenger operation. Course since they're something like the size of New Jersey they can rectify the latter shortcoming with minimal investment relative to what we have to do to make an appreciable difference.

As an aside I believe another of our early 1990s ABB test units, the X2000 that ran on the NEC in 1994 (IIRC) wound up going to KCRC in China.

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