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Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 13:04:50 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:01:35 2006. Do you have some numbers you can show us to back that up? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:34:05 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 13:04:50 2006. 1,198,050lbs for a G5 loco and tender with 6 Pullman Standard coaches768,000lbs for a 6 car M7 train |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 13:34:37 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 12:56:46 2006. They had electrics on the electric lines even in those days. And as Terrapin pointed out, were the coaches pulled by the steam engine just as heavy as the steam engine itself, or was it just one traincar length of the entire train that was very heavy as opposed to the entire length of an M7 train? |
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Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 13:36:08 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:34:05 2006. Didn't the electric trains already run on the electric lines in those days? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:41:56 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 13:36:08 2006. Yes they very well did. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:49:52 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 13:34:37 2006. The coaches should've been lighter than the locomotive. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 14:30:36 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:49:52 2006. That's what I was pointing out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 14:32:13 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by WillD on Thu Feb 23 12:59:25 2006. A bilevel EMU likely would have been out of the question due to MN's requirements, as well as the LIRR's potential issues with the Flatbush Ave tunnel.And actually, I believe the 63rd St tunnel too when that time comes. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 14:33:14 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 13:41:56 2006. So then what's the point about the steam engine vs the M7's, they weren't running on the same lines the M7's are (give or take for later electrification projects like Huntington and Ronkonkoma of course). |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Feb 23 15:03:14 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by WillD on Thu Feb 23 12:59:25 2006. Because the diesel coaches quite clearly have two levels on which to place seats. This allows them to make up the difference between a single level car with 3+2 seating and the same car with 2+2 seating.There's no problem at all - if the M-7's are retrofitted with 2x2 seating, some people on crowded trains will have to stand, but considerably more people will be able to ride in relatively greater comfort and dignity. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by mr_brian on Thu Feb 23 15:12:16 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 10:30:05 2006. I've seen the bar cart at Penn Station.And people do drink on the LIRR without even brown-bagging it. So the whole thing of alcohol not being allowed on the LIRR seems to be false. Even if there were a rule, it sure looks like it's hardly being enforced, if at all. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 15:16:05 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by mr_brian on Thu Feb 23 15:12:16 2006. No, no brown bags ever on the trains. It's definitely not enforced, even if it is a rule (which I severely doubt as the LIRR sells alcohol on platforms). |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 18:24:53 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 14:33:14 2006. I'm just saying that trains are not as heavy as they were years ago. |
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Re: Attention Peter Rosa |
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Posted by r7 torresdale express on Thu Feb 23 18:25:02 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Feb 23 11:46:37 2006. But there's less room to stand on a train with 3x2 seats. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 18:59:05 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 18:24:53 2006. No, you're saying that some heavier trains are no longer operating. But there are still EMUs operating today just like back then. |
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Re: Attention Peter Rosa |
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Posted by r7 torresdale express on Thu Feb 23 19:06:52 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 11:30:15 2006. <INPUT TYPE="Checkbox" NAME="WTFBBQ1" VALUE="1" CHECKED>Contempt<INPUT TYPE="Checkbox" NAME="WTFBBQ2" VALUE="2" CHECKED>Contempt <INPUT TYPE="Checkbox" NAME="WTFBBQ3" VALUE="3" CHECKED>Contempt <INPUT TYPE="Checkbox" NAME="WTFBBQ4" VALUE="4" CHECKED>Contempt <INPUT TYPE="Checkbox" NAME="WTFBBQ5" VALUE="5">Care I see nothing but contempt there... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 19:17:28 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 18:59:05 2006. Thanks. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 19:19:21 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by r7 torresdale express on Thu Feb 23 19:06:52 2006. How many times have you ridden the LIRR? |
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Posted by r7 torresdale express on Thu Feb 23 19:58:37 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 19:19:21 2006. About 15. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 20:25:28 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by r7 torresdale express on Thu Feb 23 19:58:37 2006. Ok. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 23 21:00:53 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by mr_brian on Thu Feb 23 15:12:16 2006. Ahh, this brings back memories of partying between the cars on the old LIRR coaches. Guys alla time would be there, smoking...drinking...whatever. It was a hangout. Especially on the Patchogue branch. And I loved it when the conductor would leave the trap down and the door open. Bold fellows like myself would ride on the steps...summer days, wind rushing by, passing woods and fields. What a rush. Sad to think kids today can't do that. (Exactly what the hell can young dudes to nowadays in that department? Everything keeps getting more and more "protected".) Sheeyit, I'd still do it if the opportunity was there.Sealed cars suck. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 23 21:12:10 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Thu Feb 23 07:41:58 2006. LIRR trains will never quite equal the status of New Haven trains. Know why? `cause LIRR is, at heart, an extended, flattened, widened version of Brooklyn. And Connecticut is not. Connecticuts' heart is really Boston. Hence the (implied and overt) claim to greater "status".Hey, I say, thank goodness for that fact. We are what we is. And we is Brooklyn, glory be. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 23 21:44:19 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 12:59:27 2006. A coach has no propulsion, or other propulsion equipment so what a fucking comparison. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 21:51:15 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Feb 23 21:44:19 2006. I know that. BFD. |
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Posted by Line 13 on Thu Feb 23 21:54:57 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 21:51:15 2006. You can't compare the two. It's like trying to compare a R62A to a DM30AC. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 21:57:33 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by Line 13 on Thu Feb 23 21:54:57 2006. Why not? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 21:59:40 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 21:57:33 2006. Why not?This sub-thread has already told you why and you seemed to have already agreed and understood. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Feb 23 22:01:25 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 23 21:59:40 2006. Understood. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 22:21:36 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 23 21:00:53 2006. Wow, that sounds exactly like my memories. When I was in my 20's, my friends and I would hang out in the vestibules of the diesel coaches on the ride to Patchogue. It was always great when the platforms over the stairways would be opened up east of Bay Shore, because then the doors would be open in the vestibules. On some Montauk bound trains we would grab some beers and hang out in the last vestibule of the last car. Sometimes they would put two GP38-2's on the front, and there would be nothing on the back of trains to Montauk. We'd have are own personal party back there, and you would get the occasional commuter (or conductor) joining us for a spell while they smoked their cigarettes.The vestibules of the old diesel trains were like the informal smoking areas. Technically, I don't think people were really allowed to smoke out there, but the conductors never said anything as they passed through. Man where those things fun to ride. They were rolling disasters, but man was something lost when they were taken out of service. I always forget how much I miss them until I hear a story like yours, and it reminds me of all the good times I had on those trains. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 22:23:41 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by ntrainride on Thu Feb 23 21:12:10 2006. The LIRR was always treated as a stepchild railroad by the MTA compared to Metro North in general, not just the New Haven line, but even the Hudson and Harlem lines too. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 24 01:01:36 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 22:21:36 2006. Yeah. Once, in the early `70s, me and my buddy Winky decided to take a morning train from Islip out to Hampton Bays (where we found a cool little go kart track but that's another story). Turned out the train had a couple cars dedicated to some tour group. It was like, first two or three cars were for regular passengers, then the tour group cars. A decently long train. So we ambled through the train til the last car. Whaddya know? It was empty. We had the car to ourselves all the way out to Hampton Bays! Rail Simulator be damned! Hell, like you were talking about, we had the exquisite pleasure of standing at the open back door of a real train, out in the sunshine, nothing behind us, watching the miles slip away into infinity.In retrospect, the absolute coolest thing about that ride was that it was completely ad hoc. No planning, a regularly scheduled passenger train that we happened to catch on the spur of the moment. You `n me bro, we was very very fortunate. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Feb 24 01:39:20 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Feb 23 15:03:14 2006. True. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 10:48:03 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 12:04:38 2006. Ever see the rent rates in Manhattan? Or does David live in one of those ripoff rent-controlled places? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Feb 24 10:58:30 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 10:48:03 2006. Ever see the rent rates in Manhattan?Or does David live in one of those ripoff rent-controlled places? I think he's mentioned that he has a rent-controlled apartment. Not 100% sure, however. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri Feb 24 11:16:02 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 22:23:41 2006. At one time, the LIRR was part of the Pennsylvania Railroad.#3 West End Jeff |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 25 04:19:56 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by #3 West End Jeff on Fri Feb 24 11:16:02 2006. I know, as was Metro North a part of the New York Central (and later Conrail). Of course I meant since the MTA took over the two of them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 25 04:24:12 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Feb 24 10:48:03 2006. Ever see the property taxes on Long Island? (that must be added to mortgage payments).And as for rents, they are obviously cheaper per square foot on Long Island, but they are not "cheap" as if you rent a house for example, that would probably pay as much as you pay for a one bedroom in Manhattan. Of course this is not across the board, as on Long Island rents vary from area to area. Sometimes it'll be more than a Manhattan studio or one bedroom, sometimes less depending on where you are. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 25 04:30:15 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by ntrainride on Fri Feb 24 01:01:36 2006. Yes, when it was done ad hoc, it was always the most fun.I remember when my friend and I decided to ride out to Montauk once, we hung out in the vestible from Bay Shore and east (that's when the doors would be left open in the vestibules). What was so cool was that just before Hampton Bays, they would open the doors on the other side too, as Hampton Bays' platform is on the north side of the tracks as opposed to the south like most of the others. what was so cool about that is that the rest of the ride out to Montauk was open on BOTH sides of the train. Probably the closest thing you could have gotten to the old gate cars on the subway. I remember the conductor was so friendly, he stopped to chat with us a few times between stations. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Feb 25 13:20:25 2006, in response to Re: Metro-North New Haven Line on track for new cars, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Feb 23 14:30:36 2006. All right! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 25 20:39:40 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 25 04:24:12 2006. Comparing apples and oranges. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 25 20:40:29 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Feb 24 10:58:30 2006. If I had a rent-controlled apartment, why would I have offered you the deal I did? |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Feb 25 22:21:30 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Feb 25 20:39:40 2006. Comparing apples and oranges.Not really. However much they may differ in the details, when you get down to essential purposes a Manhattan apartment and a suburban house are one and the same - a place to live. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Feb 25 22:29:22 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Feb 23 12:44:28 2006. And zoning regulations in most suburbs drive Manhattan housing costs upNo, Manhattan is Manhattan. It is an island, and it's space is limited. Making "Hempstead" have high rise apartments, will not make Manhattan cheaper, as if you want Manhattan, you want Manhattan, and it's size is limited. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 25 22:30:08 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Peter Rosa on Sat Feb 25 22:21:30 2006. Don't forget to add certain retired and reahabilitated Titan II ICBM missile silos. They make dandy single family homes, and there are families living in them! |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Feb 27 08:54:30 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Feb 25 22:30:08 2006. Yes, if you don't mind living underground. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Feb 27 09:39:39 2006, in response to Re: Attention Peter Rosa, posted by Dan Lawrence on Mon Feb 27 08:54:30 2006. True. But they have very impressive ventilation! |
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