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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Oct 20 17:18:03 2025, in response to Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 15:18:29 2025. One train and then it comes right back? Meh.That means it's only useful for a round trip if you stay overnight in Albany. It's not as though it's a way for a broader population of people in the Hudson Valley to have single seat access to Albany. So at first glance it sounds exciting, but then, ... |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 20 18:35:07 2025, in response to Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 15:18:29 2025. ALL ABOARD |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 20 18:53:20 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 20 17:18:03 2025. Basic trial balloon. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 20 18:56:07 2025, in response to Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 15:18:29 2025. Metro North has been kickin around this idea for years. They even printed up sample duplex tickets about 15 years ago listing the station stops and prices. If I could have only gotten my hands on one... |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 20 19:07:37 2025, in response to Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 15:18:29 2025. Oh?There was a retired Metro-North person on here who claimed that Metro-North by law could not run but so far out of NYC. Rensselaer is much further away from GCT than either Greenport or Montauk is from NYP. The same person also claimed that this (imaginary) distance limitation impeded any possible restoration of passenger rail service to Chatham via the Harlem Line. There's those claims blown to smithereens. Even with the steps and trapdoors on the Shoreliners, still will not be easy getting in and out at Rhinecliff and Hudson. |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 19:33:14 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 20 17:18:03 2025. Yeah, it makes little sense. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 19:35:33 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 20 19:07:37 2025. Id also be interested in price. The Metro North train will take longer to get to NYC than Amtrak so the price better be right. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 20 20:55:56 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 19:35:33 2025. The article you linked postulated a $38 fare. Presuming that's true, it works out to 27¢ per mile, the same as the off-peak one-way fare between GCT and Poughkeepsie. There is also average speed to consider; 43 mph average speed (about the same as the fastest GCT-Poughkeepsie trips FWICS) gets you a 3¼-hour one-way trip.And of course, this restores a permanent albeit extremely limited service to/from GCT. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 20 21:07:26 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 20 19:07:37 2025. "...claimed that Metro-North by law could not run but so far out of NYC."What law?? Thats BS. Never heard of that. |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:00:35 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 20 18:35:07 2025. Who owns the trackage between Poughkeepsie and Albany? CSX?I heard about this idea several years ago with MN taking over "local" service from NY to Albany with Amtrak running service north (west) of there. Should the original idea happen, I envision MN running service to Albany every 2 hours with hourly service Fridays toward Albany and hourly service from Albany Sundays. But I am getting WAY ahead! Let's see how the same day round trip train will work out for starters. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:02:59 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:00:35 2025. Amtrak would still start their runs at NYP, if I implied otherwise. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 03:24:44 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:00:35 2025. I wonder if this also is a trial balloon to have service run between Grand Central and Albany or Saratoga Springs on a much more frequent basis beginning in 2027. There have been suggestions once Belmont Park reopens with the new grandstand next fall and Aqueduct closes for good of after the Belmont Stakes going to Saratoga for the entire summer starting in mid-late June and racing there through Labor Day, going to as many as 12 weeks. Especially with Saratoga becoming an increasing popular destination for more casual fans of Horse Racing, I can see where this service would become very popular. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 03:32:56 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 03:24:44 2025. I wonder if this also is a trial balloon to have service run between Grand Central and Albany or Saratoga Springs on a much more frequent basis beginning in 2027You sure do have a lot of fever dreams. You think anyone would ride a Shoreliner a distance of 175 miles? |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 03:36:41 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:00:35 2025. Who owns the trackage between Poughkeepsie andYes. Does make me wonder just how the MTA has gotten trackage rights. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 07:52:45 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 20 23:00:35 2025. Let's see how the same day round trip train will work out for starters.My concern is that this adds so little value to Amtrak that it won't do very well, and then the idea of anything more extensive will get shot down. I suppose some people will take it based on price, or that it just happens to run when they want to travel. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 08:06:15 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 20 21:07:26 2025. I have read that the MTA is restricted to providing service to the counties that pay MTA tax, which include Putnam and Dutchess but not Columbia and Rensselaer.But maybe it's just some kind of a budgetary thing and only refers to subsidized service, not any service. There's definitely been discussion of extending service to Tivoli, the last town in Dutchess County, specifically because they're in the MTA service area. But the locals decided they didn't want it. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Oct 21 08:23:18 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 08:06:15 2025. That is my understanding too. The MTA's authority extends to the five boroughs of New York City plus Nassau, Suffolk, Putnam, Dutchess, Rockland and Orange Counties. This is one of the reasons when the Harlem Line was extended years ago it only went as far as Wassaic and not Millerton. There is one small exception as one NYCTA bus route runs between Staten Island and Bayonne, NJ. I suppose that they could change this by legislation and this is apparently what is being done. It won't surprise me in the future if Metro-North takes over the Albany service completely. They would need some new cars for long distance travel. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 21 08:25:39 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 03:24:44 2025. No. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 21 08:26:40 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 03:32:56 2025. Bad enough in an Amcan.... |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 10:41:57 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 03:32:56 2025. I can imagine those MN Shoreliner coaches being refurbished with Amfleet style seating. Those sets could come from retired Amfleets and Acela trainsets. Or maybe MN could get some of those mothballed Amtrak Shoreliner coaches stored somewhere out in the midwest. |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 11:18:47 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 07:52:45 2025. It would add value to Amtrak in a sense that Amtrak would love to unload NYC-Albany service to Metro North, thus less red ink on Amtrak's bottom line. Any NYS funding that went to Amtrak that supported the service could simply be moved over to MN's balance sheet. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 12:21:34 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 10:41:57 2025. I can imagine that too, but MTA is not going to do that.Ever been in an Amtrak Horizon car, which are the same as Shoreliners but with manual doors? Not Amfleet-style seats. I rode those on the Hiawatha. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 12:22:37 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 20 21:07:26 2025. I know it's BS. A lot of BS came out of this fellow over the decades, which is sad. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 12:30:05 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 21 08:26:40 2025. Well, the Amcans are half a century old now. And the converted Budd Metroliner MU cars that are now cab cars are heading towards their sixth decade in service too. The oldest Shoreliners are 42 while the newest are almost 30.Still waiting for the new Amtrak passenger cars (Siemens "Airo"); whatever ones are in service I heard that the seats are uncomfortable, but who knows. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 13:32:09 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 11:18:47 2025. Amtrak would love to unload NYC-Albany service to Metro-NorthWhy? |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 21 13:53:50 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 12:21:34 2025. I agree. No "special" seats.What the hell do they expect for their measly $38? 😆 🤣 😂 |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 21 13:56:20 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 13:32:09 2025. I think NY State can get more "bang for the buck" if the monetary supplement to Amtrak gets transfered to Metro North's budget. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 14:27:27 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 21 13:56:20 2025. Well, that means goodbye to the much-touted direct connection at NYP that was touted when Amtrak moved out of GCT in 1991. Also means goodbye to any high-speed upgrade, because MN's equipment will never be running at 125 mph or suchlike. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 21 14:34:00 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 21 13:56:20 2025. shocked I tell you to think MN is more efficient than Amtrak |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 21 14:37:43 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 14:27:27 2025. given that the promises of speedier Empire Service were before my hair was grey (now white...) I see no reason that MN cannot acquire cars/engines rated for 125 and deploy them other than a. funding, and b. cooperation from CSX. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 15:27:55 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 21 14:37:43 2025. No "reason"? How about a non-standard car that would require more maintenance? This is the same MTA that can't even have bar cars on the New Haven Line anymore for no good reason other than Sharia-compliance propaganda.CSX's "cooperation" means nothing whereas FRA overregulation means more. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 15:30:19 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Oct 21 14:34:00 2025. What do you mean by "efficient"? |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 21 15:53:55 2025, in response to Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 20 15:18:29 2025. What a load of garbage. Metro-North is within striking distance of a trip to Albany. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 15:56:30 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Oct 21 08:23:18 2025. This is one of the reasons when the Harlem Line was extended years ago it only went as far as Wassaic and not Millerton.Millerton is in Dutchess County. Wikipedia says they stopped at Wassaic because refurbishing the line to Millerton would have cost a lot of additional money. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 16:16:19 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 15:56:30 2025. Wikipedia says a lot of things. Just as consultant reports can say things that are not actually true. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 16:27:32 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 12:21:34 2025. Thats what I meant, Horizon cars. |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Oct 21 16:30:55 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by AlM on Mon Oct 20 17:18:03 2025. Duh, there are also plenty of Amtrak trains for round trips. |
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Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026 |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Oct 21 17:16:41 2025, in response to Re: Metro North service to Albany launching in 2026, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Oct 21 16:30:55 2025. I know. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 17:33:40 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 14:27:27 2025. Not really. Amtrak can still use NYP for long distance trains like to Montreal, Toronto & Chicago. Toss in maybe one or two MNR Poughkeepsie trains for good measure. That west side tunnel will never be a homeless city anymore. As for 125 mph trains to upstate? Pipe dream then...pipe dream now. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Tue Oct 21 17:36:23 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 15:27:55 2025. Connecticut did not push hard enough for bar cars |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 17:43:43 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Allen45 on Tue Oct 21 17:36:23 2025. Liability issues the reason given. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 19:49:44 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 17:43:43 2025. Which makes sense given the litigious society we have now. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 20:24:44 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 19:49:44 2025. If a passenger gets on the train after bar hopping and having a few (too many) and gets served, then gets off the train and in his car and kills somebody, the RR is liable even though he didn't get drunk on the train |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 20:45:57 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 17:43:43 2025. Funny how those "issues" never existed in the recent past. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 20:46:20 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Oct 21 19:49:44 2025. We have a coercive society, not "litigious". |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 20:49:29 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 20:45:57 2025. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 20:53:18 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 20:24:44 2025. That's what happens when the same kind of people who create early voting get control of the government. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 21 20:57:26 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 17:33:40 2025. That downgrades the West Side connector from what its original stated purpose was. And Metro-North is still never going into NYP via that route, or any route.If 125-mph trains going upstate is a "pipe dream", consider that the state and federal governments got in the way of that. |
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Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 22 03:38:46 2025, in response to Re: Metro-North service to Rensselaer launching in 2026, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Oct 21 20:49:29 2025. Only takes a judge with scruples to throw out frivolous lawsuits. The onus does fall on bad judges. |
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