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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:12:56 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 10:01:38 2021. What is the weekday Astoria train volume now with the N & W as opposed to the 1960's with the QT,T, RR, or whatever ran there then ? (I lost track).The R is fucked up on weekends as well, with no W, but simply merging two 12 minute services (the N). I'll chalk it up to incompetence. |
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Posted by Allen45 on Tue Nov 30 10:15:20 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Edwards! on Mon Nov 29 22:52:16 2021. One part of this idea I do like is extending the J to 95th Street. I definitely think that the J should replace nighttime R shuttle service just like how the 4 train runs to New Lots in place of the 3 overnights. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:24:36 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by zac on Tue Nov 30 10:00:48 2021. I would think more people work within walking distance of Nassau Street than those along Trinity Place, but that is not what the customer chose. The Nassau Street people prefer the IRT and the lower Manhattan workforce has shrunk drastically over the decades (forgetting Covid) due to offshoring, automation of clerical tasks, moved to midtown, Exhange Place, Downtown Brooklyn, Texas, Florida, North Carolina.I suppose people are getting off the SI Ferry and want the R at Whitehall to go to downtown Brooklyn. They do not want to walk to Bowling Green or Broad Street. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:27:08 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Allen45 on Tue Nov 30 10:15:20 2021. Overnight, I could see an RJ, no harm done. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 30 10:50:19 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:24:36 2021. i've always thought of the r local as the mature, grown-up train line. it puts up with "upstart" express trains all along the fourth avenue corridor. finally waving goodbye to the scurrying expresses at pacific street as they rush off into the sky towards the "uptown" district at canal street and further north. meanwhile the r rolls on, serving the old town areas of both cities, steadily running under the crowded streets.it happily greets those express trains along the broadway stretch as they meet up at the manhattan express stations and exchange passengers. sublime symmetry in train town as only we can do it. |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Nov 30 11:17:26 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 30 10:50:19 2021. Great post! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 13:57:31 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:05:29 2021. If need be, the (N) and (W) are interchangeable between Astoria and Queens Boulevard, so that eliminates that issue by having the (W) run Whitehall (or 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway) to 71-Continental with the (N) as it is now, if necessary at peak hours have a handful of (N) trains that are stored at City Hall Lower Level start at Canal Street (Tunnel Level) and run to 71st-Continental (and at off-peak hours, a handful of "extra" (N) trains from Astoria end at the tunnel level of Canal to be stored at the lower level for the next peak-hour period).I suspect Broadway would work better with the (R) banished to Nassau and the (W) replacing it in Manhattan and Queens as the full-time line between in this case 71st-Continental and Whitehall (or 9th Avenue or Bay Parkway as about half of the weekday and all of the weekend (W) trains would run via 4th Avenue to at least 9th Avenue on the (D)). As far as the one-seat ride to Broad Street on the (J), this would be minor since as I would do it, it would be set up so the (R) at Canal would not leave until the (J) has come in, left, and switched tracks and then the (R) would do the same, set up so there is a simple cross-platform transfer that for most should NOT be a big deal. Pols had been calling for a spilt (R) train and this is giving them what they want. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 14:06:02 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 10:12:56 2021. And this is why I banish the (R) to Nassau where it would remain the primary 4th Avenue local service, based out of East New York with scheduled in-service yard runs from or to Broadway Junction and extended late nights and weekends to Metropolitan Avenue, eliminating the (M) shuttles since this (R) would absorb those.The (R) would be supplemented on 4th Avenue in this by on weekdays half of the (W) trains (since the (W) would be beefed up considerably and only 15 trains per two hours from my understanding can terminate at Whitehall), going to 71-Continental in place of the current (R) (and this eliminates the yard issue from my original proposal) while the (N) is unchanged save for perhaps having a handful of (N)s during peak hours come out of storage at City Hall Lower Level and run from the tunnel level of Canal Street to Astoria if necessary. This gives the pols who previously were screaming for a split (R) what they want. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 30 14:15:47 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 13:57:31 2021. hmmm, are you being purposefully obtuse here? the point is, a one seat ride from bay ridge to midtown. at pacific street, there're numerous ways to go downtown, and walking across from pacific to the i.r.t. is not so bad because you're already 90 % of the way to downtown.r is filled by 59th street and the midtown riders deserve a seat as the "reward" for patiently riding the slightly slower local and not joining the bulk of the passengers crowding the expresses. the logic is familiar if you analyze the transit service patterns of the last few centuries. "minor" deviations in train routings mean a hell of a lot in this city. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 14:45:23 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 13:57:31 2021. Since the N & W run to Astroia and the R to Forest Hills, the N & W are not "interchangeable".You have solved nothing by extending the W to Brooklyn and truncating the R. The W will become just another delay prone service like the R is. As everyone as told you, truncating the J at Chambers is NOT a minor issue and would not result in "simple cross platform transfers'. This is not Jamaica Station. Subway trains do not hold for connections. We run trains for passengers, not politicians. Start diagnosing the problem with the R without ripping the whole BMT apart. All you are doing is wanting to run equipment all over the place and cutting capacity 20% on the 4th Avenue locals where is does not need to be cut. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 14:49:14 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 14:06:02 2021. Since the problem is merging Astoria and Forest Hills, you are not addressing this problem at all, but obsessing with Lower Manhattan with Brooklyn. Nobody wants to go up the Nassau Street Line from Brooklyn. Get over it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 15:51:35 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 14:06:02 2021. Why don’t you just download BAHN or some other rail simulator, build out the NYC subway and have your crazy ideas implemented there. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 30 16:46:23 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 14:49:14 2021. And if they do, they can change at Canal St! |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 16:49:59 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 30 16:46:23 2021. Or simply take the IRT. Nobody in Brooklyn is clamoring for a Nassau Street service to come back. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 17:26:04 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 16:49:59 2021. Nassau Street is a white elephant. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Nov 30 17:48:00 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 17:26:04 2021. It is. So much so that they disconnected it from the bridge. Nassau St was supposed to solve all of the BMT problems after the dual contracts, along with the completion of the 14th St-Eastern line. There was a huge bottleneck at Canal St with people changing trains, plus trains couldn't use the south side of the Manhattan Bridge because it dead-ended at Chambers St and that created a bottleneck at Dekalb Ave. Once it opened however, it was never used nearly as much as anticipated. The Culver trains went through it as well as some rush hour specials. But the junction at Chambers was still a bottleneck with trains crossing at grade. Many more trains terminated at Broad, Chambers and Canal than used the loop. The 14th St line did take some pressure off of Canal St, but how much? It is a long, slow ride. At least Broadway/Bklyn has an express.The solution was Chrystie St. Cut the connection at Chambers St, run full service on both sides of the bridge and the tunnel from Dekalb, and through route the Nassau St trains to Coney Island from Jamaica. But Nassau St. still was pretty empty towards CI. I remember riding the QJ and it had light crowds compared to the other lines until it got to Dekalb. Or going the other way more people waited for the QB. And even in more recent times they cut the J back to Chambers because the other two stops were deserted on weekends. And try to find the entrance to the Fulton St. stop. It was tied into the 8th Ave network of ramps, up and down, this way and that, and the ticket machine for the Myrtle El. I've never once gotten off at Broad St. And why did they renovate those two stations? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 18:39:51 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by zac on Tue Nov 30 17:48:00 2021. In the 1970's, I rode a Bankers RR a couple of times to Broad Street from Pacific Street in the AM rush, and was quite crowded. It was a different world then. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 19:03:52 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by zac on Tue Nov 30 17:48:00 2021. And why did they renovate those two stations?Someone at the MTA found the original wall tile design of the Broad Street station, which was more in-tuned with the rest of the BRT/BMT stations along the Nassau Street line. It was originally proposed along with Fulton Street to have it as part of the Dual Contracts back then. So, when it came time for one of the Capital Programs to include those two stations, along with 8th Avenue on the 14th Street Line, the agency decided to have them done in consistency with the other older built stations. Thus, their IND-style tiles in each of the three stations were resurfaced and covered over. -William A. Padron ["Broad - Exch Pl - Wall St, Fultn - John St - Beekman St - Ann St"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 19:06:30 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 18:39:51 2021. It is totally like a ghost town even during the weekdays. No one would want to hang around the Broad Street station vicinity on the weekends too.-William A. Padron [["B"]] |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 30 20:11:04 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 19:06:30 2021. Do you mean because of the pandemic? I had some reason to take the J from Broad Street a few years ago, weekday late afternoon, and it was reasonably full. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:06:02 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by ntrainride on Tue Nov 30 14:15:47 2021. The (W) would become the (R) between 71st-Continental and Whitehall (and if not terminating at Whitehall, 36th Street). It would be mostly the same route, just a different letter. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:16:32 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 30 14:45:23 2021. Again:Only HALF the (W) trains would be going to Brooklyn, and then only to 36th before going to the West End because Whitehall can only terminate 15 trains in a two-hour period (on weekends and evenings, when there are fewer trains overall, the (W) can run to 9th Avenue for the most part). Those (W) trains in Brooklyn going north would only in this case merge with the Nassau (R) at 36th (and since weekday trains probably would mainly terminate at 9th Avenue if going to Brooklyn, southbound with the (D) after 36th for one stop) and with the (N) as it does now, but with NO (R) trains also on the local track (only the (N) and (W) would in this case stop at 60th/Lex with the (W) continuing to QBL, replacing the current (R) there with the (R) on Nassau). This again gives Bay Ridge pols the split (R) train they were clamoring for previously. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 22:56:22 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by AlM on Tue Nov 30 20:11:04 2021. Yeah, the pandemic changed the whole dynamic. Half the stores on Broad Street have been closed because of it. The office workers have not yet returned back into the fold.-William A. Padron ["Exch Pl"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 22:59:07 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:06:02 2021. Idiotic proposal, just to change a letter, olus ending the route with alternate distant southern terminals, short changing to those who want go into Bay Ridge. No go.-William A. Padron ["Queens-Forest Hills"] |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 23:02:37 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:16:32 2021. Still an idiotic proposal, plus too much confusion.TOO DAMN CONFUSING FOR THE PASSENGERS AND OPERATING PERSONNEL!!! And screw those Bay Ridge politicians anyway! -William A. Padron ["(R)" All the way"] |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 23:14:24 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 19:03:52 2021. In the case of 8th Avenue, there were no such tile designs from before it was built, so the renovation involved an original design, but modeled on the other 14th Street stations. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 1 00:46:03 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 09:52:18 2021. I see.I use the Eastern Division. Was raised on the routes literally by riding with my dad on weekends when he was an MOTORMAN.(Notice I didn't say "operator"). The J has its problems, basically due to its crappie operation made for its crews and Not the passengers. However, your experience does literally Nothing for how connseecting the east to the south could be handled. I say why not let the J assume operation responsibilities of the southern 4th Ave local..free the R from Brooklyn services. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:48:37 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:06:02 2021. What are people getting off the SI Ferry headed to downtown Brooklyn supposed to do ? Walk to Broad Street ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:52:25 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Nov 30 22:16:32 2021. Terminating half the trains does nothing but force people off to wait for the next thru train. And the W thru trains would be just as undependable as the current R, and only run half as often, the rest banished to Nassau STreet line, which is irrelevant having been thrown out at Whitehall Street.The delays are likely on the Queens side of 60th Street tunnel and between 57th and 49th Street. But you can't seem to focus on root causes of problems. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:55:27 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 1 00:46:03 2021. Imagine the J/Z operation. They get stabbed either just east of Myrtle Avenue if local, or on the express track adjacent to Hewes Street for the beloved M to cut in front of it.Now the J/Z is 2 minutes late and when it gets to Chemabers, by-bye R train - it left on time so tha it does not lose its slot in the Montague tunnel. More time to feed the rats waiting for the next R. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:57:47 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 22:56:22 2021. With Omicron, all bets are off now for 2022. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:09:53 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:48:37 2021. No:The (W) would still terminate at Whitehall with half the trains during the week (and ALL on evenings and weekends) still going to Downtown Brooklyn (and those going to Brooklyn likely terminating at 9th Avenue on the (D), also beefing uo 4th Avenue local service between 36th and Court. Bay Ridge pols were calling for splitting the (R), and by moving the (R) to Nassau it (most of the time, especially on weekdays) shortens up the route considerably (thought nights and weekends it would go to Metropolitan plus yard runs from and to Broadway Junction). This would likely remedy most of the problems the (R) has in Brooklyn by moving it to Nassau. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:11:31 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Nov 30 23:02:37 2021. Funny thing is, I suspect people would adjust. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:16:33 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 05:52:25 2021. I know all about those problems quite well:What was not said, but should have been obvious is you would only have TWO lines (instead of three) operating via 60th Street. If you can set it up so the (N) skips 49th Street and doesn't have to merge until 57th (and do its merge with the (Q) from the south coming into 57th instead of south of 42nd), it would make things much easier since in this format you would have the (N) to Astoria and the (W) taking over from the (R) to 71-Continental. The (W) would effectively be the (R) in Manhattan and Queens in this format. That is the other part of taking the (R) off Broadway and moving it to Nassau as the pols in Bay Ridge wanted the (R) split. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 18:29:41 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:16:33 2021. 1) Now you have cut Astoria service leaving it only with the N.2) You have also cut off Whitehall Street and Staten Island from downtown Brooklyn telling them to walk to Broad Street or Bowling Green. 3) You are telling 4th Avenue riders to go up Nassau Street rather than Trinity place, which we all know from 2010 and prior they do not want to go there. 4) You have screwed up the J train making riders transfer at Chambers with doubtful imemdiate connections wit the R. 5) You are making a mess of swtiching delays at the Chambers interlocking. None of those 5 conditions are acceptable. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 18:33:57 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:09:53 2021. If half the W are going to downtown Brooklyn, now you have a delayed prone R instead called a W. You have accomplished nothing, and then only running half of them.You also have a merge point of R's and W's, more chance for delays. Nobody gives a shit what Bay Ridege pols wants. They don't know how to run railroad nor where their constituents want to go. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 1 18:35:22 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 1 17:11:31 2021. Short turning half the trains means half the people travelling thru get thrown off and wait for the next train. That is no better than the current situation. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 6 14:40:37 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 28 15:15:10 2021. Why is it so hard to imagine CHambers St as a terminal? The M did just that for years, and still does on occasion - didn't they extend the M shuttle to Chambers? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 14:57:26 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 6 14:40:37 2021. But the J did not. And the M has proven to have a stronger midtown market.M shuttle sometimes goes to Essex. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 16:54:46 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 14:57:26 2021. The weekend and evening M shuttle terminal is Essex St.When there is a blockage of some sort the M scheduled to go to Continental will terminate at Chambers. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 17:05:22 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by 3-9 on Mon Dec 6 14:40:37 2021. My issue with the weekend J terminating at Chambers was this:If there was a GO on the F causing it to operate via the A Line in one direction, the passengers had no access to the F in that direction. If there was a GO on the Lex IRT in which only West Side trains were going to Brooklyn there was no direct access. Broad St. was not missed due to the numbers using the station on weekends but Fulton St. certainly was due to transfer opportunities. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 06:55:18 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Dec 7 17:05:22 2021. Oh I agree back when Chambers was the weekend (J) terminal (excluding GOs where the (J) ran to Prospect Park):This would be different, however, as the (J) would be terminating at Chambers full-time to avoid backing trains up at Broad since in this, the (R) would be a through-line going south (same reason I have the (R) on weekdays northbound in this terminating at Canal Street on Nassau except for yard runs that continue to Broadway Junction) and on late nights and weekends, the (R) would run from/to Metropolitan, absorbing the late-night (M) shuttles, so on weekends, anywhere between Myrtle and Chambers passengers can do a same platform transfer between the (J) and (R). It would in this case be set up so in most cases on weekdays, the (R) would be waiting at Canal for people to simply walk across the platform to transfer to for Fulton and Broad (and continuing to Downtown and 4th Avenue in Brooklyn) to while at Chambers, the (J) would be waiting across the platform for those continuing past Canal Street (or late nights and weekends, Myrtle Avenue or if the (R) in question is on a yard run, Broadway Junction). Splitting the (R) into a Nassau (R) and in Manhattan and Queens a full-time (W) train (with some (W) trains continuing to Brooklyn mainly because Whitehall can only turn about half of the (W) trains that would be in this. Oh, and the (R) in this would likely be a MAX of 10 TPH while the (W) would likely see 15 TPH total, with in a TWO-HOUR period 15 (W) trains terminating at Whitehall and the other 15 going to 9th Avenue on the (D) and terminating there (on weekends, all (W) trains would likely go to 9th Avenue). If more (W) trains are necessary from/to Astoria at peak hours, you can a limited number of (W) trains end and begin at Canal Street/Broadway (Tunnel Level). |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 8 07:29:44 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 06:55:18 2021. CUT THIS CRAP IMMEDIATELY, WALLYHORSE!!!!Seriously, take your damn proposals outside and dump it! Still too confusing, and still shortchanging the passengers overall. Thank goodness you do not work in the scheduling and planning department of MTA NYCT. -William A. Padron ["BROAD"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 8 07:55:46 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 06:55:18 2021. R train runs on a schedule. J trains run on schedules. They will not wait for one another. You don't terminate trains at Canal Street, which is the middle of nowhere, on either the Centre Street nor Broadway lines.Stop playing train. You don't disrupt people's trips to Wall Street with these artifical transfers along Centre and Nassau Street because you can't deal with the incompetence that occurs up at 60th Street. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 14:41:38 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 8 07:55:46 2021. Again:This is about keeping Bay Ridge politicians happy as THEY were the ones who were calling for the split of the (R). The idea is, the combination of the (J) and this Nassau (R) is really a split train that would run from 168 all the way to 95-Bay Ridge (at least during the week). It would be set up where the (R) going south (except for yard runs from Broadway Junction) would be contingent on the (J) arriving at Canal Street and then departing at Canal, with the (R) then departing 1-2 minutes later, after the (J) has crossed over to get to Chambers (and in the other direction, the (J) would be contingent on the (R)'s arrival and would leave 1-2 minutes after the (J) does, though that northbound includes (R) trains running to Broadway Junction). Weekends in this scenario would have it where the (J) and (R) are running between then every 4-6 minutes between Myrtle Avenue-Broadway and Chambers street and being able to switch between the (J) and (R) anywhere between Myrtle and Chambers. This likely would also solve a lot of the issues on 60th having only two lines (N) and (W) running through the 60th Street tunnel as opposed to three. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 8 15:15:06 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 14:41:38 2021. Again, you are making a mess, solving no problems, and creating more problems. Timed connections don't work with subway service. Why can't you understand that ?You have only solved issues with 60th Street by screwing the Astoria line of ferquencies. Add some back, and you have re-created the same problem. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 8 15:15:08 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 14:41:38 2021. Again, you are making a mess, solving no problems, and creating more problems. Timed connections don't work with subway service. Why can't you understand that ?You have only solved issues with 60th Street by screwing the Astoria line of ferquencies. Add some back, and you have re-created the same problem. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Dec 8 15:22:20 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 14:41:38 2021. No Bay Ridge politicians complained when the Nassau St "R" was discontinued. As for the 60th St tunnel, the "W" was added because of heavy Astoria line ridership, plus transfers from the #7 at QBP. The "N", "W", and "R", with their 4 minute headways, seem to be sharing the 60th St tunnel quite well.Nassau-Montague-Brooklyn routes never had heavy ridership. I remember this from riding the old "TT" West End local trains from Chambers St to Brooklyn. Neither did their predecessors on the Culver subway line. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Dec 8 15:28:00 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 8 14:41:38 2021. This is about keeping Bay Ridge politicians happy as THEY were the ones who were calling for the split of the (R).SCREW THEM!!! They do not know how run a transit operation. Period! The set-up at Canal and Chambers does not have the flexibility for any such timed connections, especially when the (J) and (M) trains have to slow crawl across the aged Willy B with those signal timers. You really want to give a stomach ache to those passengers and operating personnel with the most stupidity of your feeble ideas. Besides, MTA NYCT is NOT going to spend any more money building additional crew rooms and another dispatcher's office for what you are suggesting. Let me remind you, and to all, that I have experience in riding the "J" between Delancey-Essex and Broad, to and from work. It is fine at it could be, under the conditions that prevail, but try to be in my place when I have to wait so long for that "J" to go in and out, even during the rush hours. -William A. Padron ["Fultn"] |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 8 16:41:35 2021, in response to Re: Moving the (R) to Nassau Street permanently (addition), posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 8 15:15:06 2021. Timed connections DO work with subway service if local supervision did their jobs and held trains to their time when they were supposed to and let trains go when there was no reason to hold them. |
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