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Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 10 05:28:32 2021 Tuscarora Almanac - September 10, 1932 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Independent Subway System The Independent Subway begins operation of IND 8th Avenue Line between 207th Street and Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal. New stations are opened at 207th Street, Dyckman Street (200th Street), 190th Street, 181st Street, 175th Street, 168th Street-Broadway, 163rd Street-Amsterdam Avenue, 155th Street, 145th Street (UL), 135th Street, 125th Street, 116th Street, 110th Street (Cathedral Parkway), 103rd Street , 96th Street, 86th Street, 81st Street, 72nd Street, 59th Street, 50th Street (UL), 42nd Street (UL), 34th Street, 23rd Street, 14th Street, West 4th Street (UL), Spring Street, Canal Street-Holland Tunnel and Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal. UL - Upper Level The stations at 103rd Street through 72nd Street are on two levels. Northbound trains are on the upper level while southbound trains use the lower level. The station at Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal has two platforms. The two track island platform which will be used by the through trains to Brooklyn is known as "Chambers Street". The two track island platform with bumpers at the south end is known as "Hudson Terminal" (today's World Trade Center). Source: “New York Subway, Fifty Years of Millions”, (Electric Railroads No. 23 / October 1954) by Mr. Herman Rinke Ed. Note: In commemoration of the 75th Anniversary on the opening of the Eighth Avenue Subway the TA ran an “A” train from 168th Street to Chambers Street on September 10, 2007. The consist was 100-484-1575-381-401-1802. Tuscarora Almanac - September 10-11, 1977 - The Book of Last Runs Jamaica, New York New York City Transit Authority – BMT Division This will be the last night of service on the section of the BMT Jamaica Line between 168 Street and Queens Boulevard. The last northbound "J" train arrived at 168 Street at 11:59 PM. The consist was (n) R-27 8028-9 and R-30 8528-9. The last southbound "J" train departed at 12:00 Midnight with (s) R-27 8241-0 and 8115-4. The stations at 168 Street, 160 Street and Sutphin Boulevard were closed. A new temporary terminal was established at Queens Boulevard. Free transfers are issued at Queens Boulevard to and from the Q-49 Jamaica Avenue Limited bus route. There were two post-abandonment fantrips on Sunday, September 11, 1977. The first trip used “D” Types while the second used the “B” Types; 2390-1-2. Source: New York Division Bulletin / September 1977 Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1989 – The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority Manhattan Division Service is discontinued on the M-103 59th Street Crosstown Line. This route began as a horse-car line on July 18, 1863 operated by the Central Park, North & East River Railroad Company. Trolley cars began to replace the horse-cars in 1898. Buses replaced the trolleys on November 10, 1946. The route at that time ran between York Avenue – East 61st Street and West End Avenue –West 59th Street. The western terminus was extended north to West 73rd Street and Broadway on September 8, 1963. Service ran seven days a week from 6 AM to 12 midnight. The last Manhattan Bus Map to show this service was dated “1988”. Source: New York Division Bulletin /September 2003, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1990 – The Book of First Runs Dutchess County, New York Metro-North Railroad Metro-North opens the Appalachian Trail stop on the Harlem Line. It is located at MP 65.9 between Pawling and Harlem Valley-Wingdale stations. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 2009, article by Mr. Larry Kiss Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1995 – The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division Dean Street station on the BMT Franklin Avenue Line is closed. Source: ERA New York Division Bulletin / July 2003 Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1995 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Manhattan and Bronx Surface transit Authority Manhattan Division A new bus route, the M-103 Third Avenue-Lexington Avenue line begins service between East 125th Street and Park Row. This will supplement the M-101 and M-102 buses. The M-103 designation had previously been used by the 59th Street Crosstown from 1946 to 1989. The first map to list the new service was dated February 1996. Source: New York Division Bulletin / July 2000 / article by Mr. Bernard Linder & Manhattan Bus Map February 1996 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 07:49:16 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 10 05:28:32 2021. In commemoration of the 75th Anniversary on the opening of the Eighth Avenue Subway the TA ran an “A” train from 168th Street to Chambers Street on September 10, 2007. The consist was 100-484-1575-381-401-1802.Actually, the train operated between 207th Street and Chambers Street-WTC ("E" train platform]. I was on the uptown bound run only, sitting inside R-7A/R-10 prototype car #1575 (naturally). And now, images from that day, including one with noted author and sports broadcaster Stan Fischler in front of R-1 car #100.             -William A. Padron ["City of New York"] |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 08:05:30 2021, in response to PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 07:49:16 2021. One more from Monday, September 10, 2007, at 207th Street on the "A". -William A. Padron ["Wash.Hts.-207th St."] |
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PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 09:12:33 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 10 05:28:32 2021. From the photo cameras and collections of Doug Grotjahn and Joe Testagrose, the last day of regular service along the Jamaica Avenue El north of Queens Boulevard on that Saturday, September 10, 1977. The BMT AB's were there also.      -William A. Padron ["168th St.-Jamaica"] |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 09:17:44 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 10 05:28:32 2021. Thank you, as always.The last 3 stations of the Jamaica Line are the first el demolition I can personally remember (I was born in 1968). I thought it was tragic then, and I still do. Even my 9 year old mind couldn't comprehend how eliminating transit access would somehow make the neighborhood better. |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 10 11:09:08 2021, in response to PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 07:49:16 2021. LOVE those old timers! Very fitting to have the Alpha and Omega of the fleet at the points. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 10 11:18:14 2021, in response to PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 09:12:33 2021. I remember that layup track at 160th St. There was a train of BMT standards laid up there, signed as a Broadway-Brooklyn L'c'l, on my first ride out to 168th St. on a JJ in March of 1968. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 10 12:28:50 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 09:17:44 2021. It wasn't really eliminating transit access but improving it by relocating the line underground along Archer Ave. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 12:35:12 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 10 12:28:50 2021. There was a very extended delay in replacing one line with the other.... |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Sep 10 12:55:21 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 12:35:12 2021. Not as long as Second Avenue though. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 10 14:04:33 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 12:35:12 2021. And the replacement line only extended as far as Parsons Blvd. one stop before the end of the old line at 168th St. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 14:41:20 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 10 14:04:33 2021. Right- basically at 160th Street. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Sep 10 14:41:42 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Q4 on Fri Sep 10 12:55:21 2021. True!! |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 15:46:48 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 10 11:09:08 2021. How long did those interior light bulbs last in service? |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 10 15:51:25 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 15:46:48 2021. untill they burnt out. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:07:51 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Sep 10 11:18:14 2021. To think, all they had to do was to build a subway stop for Jamaica Ave-Hillside Ave and connect to the elevated line with an escalator.It would have saved money and kept a perfectly good elevated line in service. |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:12:04 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 10 15:51:25 2021. I just wanted to know how long those bulbs, which had their bases threaded backwards (like you!) lasted! |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Sep 10 16:45:36 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:12:04 2021. no fair peeking. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Sep 10 17:05:30 2021, in response to PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 09:12:33 2021. Nice |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Fri Sep 10 18:59:42 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:12:04 2021. I have read that on the R1-9 cars, only the bulbs for the emergency lighting (the battery operated lights that came on when third rail contact was lost) were reverse threaded. The lights that were on all of the time were normally threaded bulbs. The theory was that these would be too hot to handle and not subject to being stolen. |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 10 19:39:37 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by BMT Standard on Fri Sep 10 18:59:42 2021. Not only that but unlike the BMT and IRT prewar cars which had the lighting circuits wired in groups of 5 so that standard 120V bulbs could be used, the IND lighting circuits were wired so that all 20 lights were on a single circuit. The R-1/9 bulbs were only 30V so they couldn't be used in standard household light fixtures anyhow because that would burn out instantly. |
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Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 19:46:21 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 10 19:39:37 2021. Duly noted! Now, my original question, how many hours did they last? |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Sep 10 23:47:41 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Sep 10 05:28:32 2021. This was mentioned in my own Bus Almanac, but . . .While the M103 bus was discontinued on this day in 1989 as it was, the TA/MaBSTOA decided to merge it with the M28 - 57th Street Crosstown and redub it the M57, with the western terminus changed from 55th Street and 12th Avenue to 73rd Street and Broadway, going along 11th/West End Avenue as the old M103 had. |
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Posted by subfan on Sat Sep 11 16:13:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by murray1575 on Fri Sep 10 12:28:50 2021. Then they should have waited to demolish the end of the El until the replacement was ready to be connected. After all, that's what they did with the section between 111th and Queens Blvd - there's no reason they couldn't have left it intact through 168th until then instead.subfan |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 12 12:37:04 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:07:51 2021. The businesses on Jamaica Avenue thought sure the elimination of the el would make things boom. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 12 13:27:28 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 12 12:37:04 2021. If only they knew... |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 12 17:16:11 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 12 12:37:04 2021. They did boom - when its businesses crashed to the floor.In college Freshman English class in 1974, I wrote a 2 or 3 page composition on the foolishness of it (I knew it was inevitable at that point) that businesses could not thrive if transportation was cut off to get to them. The professor liked it very much. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 13 10:51:03 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 12 17:16:11 2021. I agree! The neighborhood around the Jamaica shopping district began to change in the late 1960's. Ending the elevated service in 1977 really killed it off. Relocating the new service under Archer Ave, without an extension back to 168th St/Jamaica Ave, did little to help the situation. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 18:28:02 2021, in response to PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 09:12:33 2021. Ugh, all the feels. Rage, sadness .... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 18:30:29 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 10 16:07:51 2021. Even easier....take the money used for Archer Ave and run the line down the Van Wyck. Since the new subway and old structure shared a station right at Metropolitan/Van Wyck/Jamaica Ave, the same transfer could have been made. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 18:34:36 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by SLRT on Sun Sep 12 12:37:04 2021. "We need to make it harder for people to shop here""Lets tear down the el" 
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 18:35:46 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Sep 12 13:27:28 2021. Well when I shop I want to do so on bus-choked streets brimming with diesel fumes....BUT IN SUNSHINE! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Sep 13 18:46:07 2021, in response to PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 09:12:33 2021. Glad I rode out to 168 St during the summer of 1973. My grandmother was with me, may have been bittersweet for her, as that was her husband's last line. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 13 18:57:16 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 12 17:16:11 2021. At least you can say, "See? I told you so!":) |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 13 22:24:52 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Sep 13 18:34:36 2021. Mayors Beame and Koch: TEAR DOWN THIS EL! |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 14 14:01:43 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 13 10:51:03 2021. There was a plan for it.The next station was Merrick Blvd.. which should have been built, even if the rest of the Phase Two route wasn't. There was Plenty of things the MTA did at that time,that should have caused them to be Eliminated from leasing and and Operating the Subway system. The plan was a milking option to take advantage of the times. The robbed and stole money from the system,invested more into suburban routes..and watched the city sink lower and lower into desperate failure. The Bigotry displayed by the Transit system,is still on full display for the public to see, with "token booth agents" sitting watching All day/night without interaction with riders in Their capacity. It's so bad Now, that they react to a passenger asking a question like THEY WERE DISTURBING THEM. TRAINS... NIMBYS didn't stop the Jamaica lines eastern extension. The MTA did. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by VictorM on Tue Sep 14 22:45:36 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 14 14:01:43 2021. It was also competition from suburban shopping malls with ample parking, especially Green Acres in Valley Stream. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Sep 15 00:54:34 2021, in response to PHOTOS - IND 75th Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Sep 10 07:49:16 2021. NICE PHOTOS |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 15 13:41:18 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 14 14:01:43 2021. At least, the MTA could have had the new line curve back to Jamaica Ave, after Sutphin/Archer. They should have built stations at Parsons Blvd and 168th St under Jamaica Ave. The current terminal at Parsons/Archer not only screwed up Jamaica el service, but also several bus routes had to be rerouted to Archer Ave, as well. Or, just terminate the IND "E" train at Sutphin/Archer, with a subway-to-elevated transfer like the one at Roosevelt Ave. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 14:49:04 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 15 13:41:18 2021. A lot of buses, both TA and the N4, terminated in residential streets around the 169th St Hillside IND station. I am sure the residents are glad they are gone. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 15 15:07:27 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by VictorM on Tue Sep 14 22:45:36 2021. True,but That didn't kill the area.People of Color were living in South Jamaica for over one hundred years. When it really began development,the planned subway routes were all cancelled by the.city of NY. My family lived there since 1935,due to the promise of a subway line along 120th Ave. The subway Never came..but the house is still there, plus major renovations..the place is as good as the day it was built. My point is,there were a great deal of projects that were halted due to Bigotry. You Know it just like I do. Every project slated, Southeast Queens... Queens Super Express, Utica Ave ... Nostrand Ave Third ave.. Cancelled. And THAT'S just a few of them! |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 15:12:49 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by VictorM on Tue Sep 14 22:45:36 2021. Queens Center Mall was of no help, and the Hillside Avenue subway was right there to take you there. The Jamiaca el brought you to nowhere of shopping interest, except some fabric stores for tailors near Essex Street. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by trains61 on Wed Sep 15 15:30:05 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 15 15:07:27 2021. Glad to see you are still among us. Continued convalescent.The Lurkers` Guild Taaffee Pl./Merit Cleaners/88 Precinct |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 15 15:45:01 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 15 15:07:27 2021. Bigotry is the reason? |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Thu Sep 16 07:43:21 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Sep 15 15:45:01 2021. a load of BULLSHIT. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 16 08:07:57 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Sep 15 13:41:18 2021. I think they should have left the IND trains going to 179th, built a simpler single level Archer subway for the Jamaica el, and extended it at least as far as 168th St. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Sep 17 16:48:10 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 15 15:07:27 2021. The Utica Ave IND proposal was not cancelled because of bigotry. Back in the early 1930's, public hearings in Brooklyn were held for the IND Utica route. The local politicos and the residents who lived along/near Utica Ave, particularly south of Kings Hwy, wanted an all-subway route to Ave U. Engineers from the IND attempted to explain that the lower topography and high water tables, south of Kings Hwy,had to be elevated. An all-subway line with enhanced waterproofing from there to Ave U would be very costly- similar to the situation east of Euclid/Pitkin. Ironically, had the project been approved, it still would never have been built. The Depression killed it off and all IND subway construction under Fulton St, east of Lewis Ave was halted for about a year. In 1952, the Utica subway proposal was resurrected, but the same demands for an all-subway route shelved it again. |
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Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 17 19:17:38 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 16 08:07:57 2021. Thye original intent was to have the IND take over 2 tracks of the LIRR ROW for service out to Springfield Blvd so Parsons is only a “temporary” terminal. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 17 19:46:39 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 17 19:17:38 2021. I remember seeing the end of the exposed tunnel from the LIRR after it wrapped around that huge red-and-white striped tank at Liberty Avenue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 18 16:59:51 2021, in response to Re: PHOTOS - Last Day On Jamaica El Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by trains61 on Wed Sep 15 15:30:05 2021. Appreciate the accolades...and You. |
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