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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 20 08:40:50 2020 Tuscarora Almanac – November 20, 1948 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division The first ten-car train of R-10's was placed into service on the IND "A" line, which was then operating between 207th Street in Manhattan and Broadway-East New York [now Broadway Junction] in Brooklyn. Source: Mr. William A. Padron ["207...BROADWAY EAST NY"] Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1972 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division R-44’s begin service on the “D” Concourse-6th Avenue-Brighton Express today. The consist of the train was (N) 276-277-279-278,270-271-269-268. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1972 Tuscarora Almanac - November 20, 1987 - The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division This is the last day of the diamond "R" Nassau St - 4th Avenue Local between Chambers Street and 95th Street. The consist of the final train was: R-42's; 4878-9, 4850-1, 4897-6, and 4937-6. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December, 1987 Tuscarora Almanac – November 20, 2013 – The Book of First Runs Rockaway Peninsula, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division Service on the Rockaway Peninsula section of the IND resumes after having been suspended since the end of October due to Hurricane Sandy. The line is still cut off from the mainland so R-32’s are trucked in from the Queens mainland and lifted by crane onto the elevated structure. Four cars trains of R-32’s will operate between Far Rockaway and Beach 90th Street via Hammel’s Wye. Service will operate every day from 4 AM to 12:30 AM. It will be designated as “H” Rockaway Shuttle. Source: ERA Bulletin /January 2013 (Ed. Note. – Kudos to the TA for this move. It reflects the way New York City thinks. We are not going to let a little rainstorm shut down our transit system completely.) Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 09:13:39 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 20 08:40:50 2020. Why was the A line chosen for the R10 as opposed to the D or the E & F ? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 20 10:00:52 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 09:13:39 2020. Because it is the premier line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 20 10:37:30 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 20 08:40:50 2020. Correction: the Rockaway restoration was November 20, 2012, not 2013. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 20 11:11:17 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 20 08:40:50 2020. I actually got to ride the H Rockaway Shuttle and it was an interesting experience, I'm glad I had the opportunity.It would have saved the cost of transporting the R32's if any A train equipment had been stranded in the area. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Nov 20 15:47:07 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 09:13:39 2020. The A line had the oldest equipment (R-1's), so they then got the newest (R-10's) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by northshore on Fri Nov 20 15:47:07 2020. The Board of Transportation, the agency that ordered the R-10 400 car fleet contract, as awarded to American Car and Foundry (a.c.f.), had originally wanted at first to split them between the IND and BMT Divisions. In the planning stages, cars #1803-1852 were said to go to the IND, while cars #3000-3349 would have gone to the BMT. Car #3000 was delivered in early 1949 sporting BMT route and terminal roll sign designations, as sent to Coney Island Yard.As 1948 was coming forth, and with the first new deliveries of R-10 cars beginning to happen from August of that year and onward (to the last ones shipped in June 1949), the B.O.T. soon learned that new cars were needed for the new Pitkin Avenue extension of the IND Fulton Street Line in Brooklyn. That new addition to the NYCTS route network, opening eight days later on Sunday, November 28, had it extending "A" line service to Euclid Avenue. Basically, the agency decided to make the "A" line, with its newer extension in particular, as the "showcase" route of the system, by sending all the new R-10 cars over there initially. However, there was an excess amount of them to the point that they would also show up on the "AA" and "BB" routes based out of Washington Heights. A good amount of the R-1 cars were then sent over to the BMT for use in service on the 4th Avenue Local service, and in being ready for its extension onto to the Astoria elevated line in October 1949. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ("Wash.Hts.-8th Av.Exp.") |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 20 17:01:42 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. Nice. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Nov 20 17:59:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. Thank you for the history |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Nov 20 19:15:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. In the planning stages, cars #1803-1852 were said to go to the IND, while cars #3000-3349 would have gone to the BMT.Since the BMT Standards car numbers ended at #2899 and the ex-SIRT cars were in the #2900's, it would make sense for the the BMT R-10 car numbers to start at #3000. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 19:45:54 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. Then the R16 came along, and they attempted split fleet again, which vanished after a few years. |
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Posted by Aaron on Fri Nov 20 19:56:08 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 20 08:40:50 2020. I still have the "H" t-shirt. I bought it in the store at GCT... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 20 20:19:32 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. One of the wisest, if not THE wisest move ever made, was to assign the immortal Thundering Herd to the Abbott. The R-10s were tailor made for the express runs, particularly the CPW express dash. The A train was indeed, "the quickest way to get to Harlem" with the R-10s . |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 20 20:21:34 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 19:45:54 2020. 50 of them did wind up on the A. Turnabout is fair play, since 30 or so R-10s were sent over to the Three Stooges Division to help crews get a feel for SMEE operation. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 20:27:25 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 20 20:19:32 2020. The D train also does such a CPW dash. Bronx-Concourse to Coney Island on them would have been fun also. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 20 21:53:43 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 20 20:27:25 2020. Sometimes I wonder why the A is often thought of as the "flagship" train. Consider: it doesn't extend to the Bronx, does much of its Manhattan run along traditionally unglamorous 8th Avenue, just skirts the edges of the financial district, and in Brooklyn mostly goes through working-class areas. Sure, there are many connections, but that doesn't seem enough for the line's high status, and while the Rockaway run certainly is interesting it wasn't an original part. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 20 23:14:11 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 20 21:53:43 2020. I was drawn to the R-10s when I first became immersed in the subway system in 1967. Their racing stripe paint scheme was an eye-opener; they LOOKED fast in it! Their compressors were fast, their doors opened and closed quickly - they conveyed a sense of go-go-go! |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Nov 20 23:37:05 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Nov 20 19:15:38 2020. The R10 cars which were originally numbered 1803-1852 (after the R1-9's) were renumbered to 2950-2999 in the 1970s. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Nov 20 23:39:17 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Nov 20 23:14:11 2020. They were certainly more than loud enough especially on the fast stretch of track between 59th and 125th. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 21 00:14:14 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Nov 20 10:00:52 2020. That May have been the case but since the connection to the Culver Line was proceeding faster that the IND connection the the Fulton St el it might have made more sensed to put the new cars on a line that would soon serve Coney Island. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Nov 21 00:18:24 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Nov 20 16:35:58 2020. I know that the R-10s were on the AA/BB in the very late 1950s more specifically, 1958, but I don't recall seeing them there much earlier than that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 06:50:50 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by murray1575 on Fri Nov 20 23:39:17 2020. Then came the experimental R11, and they fucked up totally with the R16.I think they first contemplated putting the R16 on a Brighton-Broadway service. Notice that right after Christie, they all could display "Brighton Beach" on their south roll sign, but not 95th Street, and once in RR service, had "Astoria' on the north roll sign, but cardboard for the south. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 06:51:37 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 21 00:18:24 2020. They would also let a few Arnines slip onto the A during rush hours. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 07:08:14 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by randyo on Sat Nov 21 00:14:14 2020. In 1954, the R10 could have been the only SMEE equipment serving Coney Island, and BoT/TA would have enjoyed shaming ex-BMT branches after the Culver "retake".6th Avenue was getting new buildings, served iconic Rockefeller Center, and becoming a more desirable area than 8th Avenue. But 6th Avenue subway never saw post-war equipment until the R38/1966, while the adjacent BMT got the R27 full time on both locals in 1960. All in all, it would have been better optics to put the R10 on the D. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 21 10:10:37 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by murray1575 on Fri Nov 20 23:39:17 2020. They weren't so bad in the late 60s, when I rode them up CPW whenever I could. Now, if you were standing on the n/b platform at 81st St. when an R-10 Abbott thundered past, you got an earful. All you saw was a blur of teal and white. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 21 10:13:07 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 06:51:37 2020. You'd see them on Saturdays every once in a while. No headlights on the lead motor, either. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 17:14:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 21 10:13:07 2020. At the time they ran there, headlights had not yet been installed on any NYCTS equipment. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 17:20:32 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 06:50:50 2020. I doubt that any R-16s that had Brighton Bch signs would have lacked 95 St signs. I remember the stick on signs that they R-16 used when the cars were first assigned to the 4 Av Lcl and I never understood why the upper destination and route signs had the correct readings but the lower destinations did not. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 17:28:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 07:08:14 2020. It brings to mid a question I had regarding the Fulton St el in the last few years of BMT operation. The Multis were dedicated to the 14 St line specifically for use on the 14/Fulton rush hour only service but after the rush hour and on weekends, they could have been assigned to the Fulton St el for the regular Lefferts to Rocky Av/E Pky service and the Cs laid up. Instead, the Multis laid up and the Cs were used for off peak service. I never understood why it was done that way when it would have made more sense to keep the Multis on Fulton 24/7 and make up any car service shortfall on the 14 St Line with steels. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 22 17:41:46 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 17:14:44 2020. I was referring to the 1968-70 time period. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 18:24:04 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 22 17:41:46 2020. OK. I thought you were talking about an earlier period. I got a few of those older R-1s and R-4s on the A, CC and D when I worked as a vacation relief M/M. |
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Posted by zac on Sun Nov 22 21:05:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by randyo on Sun Nov 22 18:24:04 2020. I remember the R1s and R4s were in terrible shape even compared to the R6/7/9. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 23 01:17:53 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by zac on Sun Nov 22 21:05:38 2020. That’s for sure. The TA probably didn’t think it was worthwhile to maintain the older cars since they would be scrapped soon anyhow as opposed to the higher number cars which kept the BMT Eastern going for quite a few years. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Mon Nov 23 07:10:13 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by murray1575 on Fri Nov 20 23:39:17 2020. The Type=2 roadbed common on IND main line routes added to the echoing sound of moving trains.Unlike the BMT/IRT equipped with conventional track roadbeds, except in stations where Type-2 Track was used on Dual Contract routes and under river tubes, the entire IND was a loud place with almost any equipment. The current widespread deployment of track embedded in concrete on BMT/IRT routes, including switches, increases train noise even with implementing noise abatement construction. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 23 10:58:31 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 21 07:08:14 2020. From what I can tell from the discussions on here over the years and the pics on nycsubway.org, it seems the R10s eventually ran on all the IND routes as well as the B and D post-Chrystie and the N post 1976- by which time all of those routes had become IND/BMT hybrids.But is there any record of them providing regularly scheduled, pure BMT service- either pre-Chrystie or on the routes that remained purely BMT, such as the QJ/J, LL, or RR? I know some went to 168th/Jamaica on a 1976 fan trip- I'm referring to regular service, even if it was just an equipment substitution.. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 23 17:00:57 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 23 10:58:31 2020. In the early to mid 1950s, they ran on lines of the BMT Eastern to familiarize M/M with SMEE equipment. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 24 11:31:17 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 23 17:00:57 2020. True!! I don't know how I forgot that!! I have seen pics of R10s signed up as the 15 (today's J)Do you know if they ever ran on the RR or LL from 1967 onwards? |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Tue Nov 24 15:23:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 20 11:11:17 2020. They could’ve been blown off the structure from the wind and damaged from flood waters at Rockaway Park since water came in from both the ocean and Jamaica Bay.Vader |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Tue Nov 24 17:31:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Nov 20 11:11:17 2020. They could’ve been blown off the structure from the wind and damaged from flood waters at Rockaway Park since water came in from both the ocean and Jamaica Bay.Vader |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 25 01:51:30 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 20, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 24 11:31:17 2020. I recall driving through ENY in the mid 1980s and saw a train of R-10s on the LL. |
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