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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020 Tuscarora Almanac – July 9, 1958 – The Book of First Runs Jersey City, New Jersey Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Pennsylvania Railroad Fifty new cars begin service on the H&M primarily intended the Newark-Jersey City joint operation. The first thirty cars (1200-1229) are paid for by the Pennsylvania Railroad and designated as Class MP-51. The next twenty cars (1230-1249) are purchased by the H&M and known as Class K. Source: “Hudson & Manhattan Railroad in Color” (Morning Sun Books /2012) by Mr. Robert J. Yanosey Tuscarora Almanac – July 9, 1967 – The Book of First Runs Far Rockaway, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority IND Division “A” trains which had terminated at Euclid Avenue are extended to Far Rockaway. This will apply to weekday midday and evening trains as well as on weekends from about 9 AM to 10 PM. Source: New York Division Bulletin / August 1967 Tuscarora Almanac - July 9, 1967 – The Book of Last Runs Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority The southern section of the RT. 47(Godrey Av/8th & 9th Sts) Line is converted to bus service. The change was made necessary by the construction of the new Lindenwold Line at 8 & Market Streets. The final run is made by PCC 2132. Source: Springirth, Kenneth C Philadelphia Electrified Rail Line in Color (2016), Morning Sun Books Tuscarora Almanac - July 9, 1990 - The Book of First Runs Hoboken, New Jersey New Jersey Transit Rail Operations The first ALP-44 electric locomotive No. 4400 enters service today on the Morristown Line of New Jersey Transit. The first run is on Train No. 639, the 5:12 PM run from Hoboken to Dover. The consist is (w) 5120 - 5806 - 1759 - 5736 - 5989 - 4400. It is currently the only train on the Hoboken Division with the engine on the east end. Source: New York Division Bulletin /July, 1990 Tuscarora Almanac - July 9, 2000 - The Book of First Runs Wassaic, New York Metro-North Railroad Service is restored on the Harlem Line between Dover Plains and Wassaic, New York. The first train was #9910 and it left Wassaic at 6:25 AM. The consist was (n) FL-9 2005, Shoreliner IV coaches 6333 and 6305. Passenger service north of Dover Plains was discontinued by Penn Central in 1972. The next day July 10 the Metro-North Inspection train up from GCT with railroad officials for a ceremonial opening. I was there my official capacity. (That is to say I was working). The inspection train consist was FL-9's 2041, 2042 and the Inspection cars 3-1-2. Souvenir whistles were distributed to those present and I still have mine. Credit: New York Division Bulletin /August 2000, article by Mr. Randy Glucksman Tuscarora Almanac – July 9, 2009 – The Book of First Runs Jersey City, New Jersey Port Authority Trans-Hudson Corporation The first train of the Kawasaki built PA-5’s begins service today. The consist was (e) 5601-5103-5600-5102-5101-5603. Source: New York Division Bulletin /August 2009 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jul 9 10:00:06 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020. Thank you, as always! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jul 9 12:14:16 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020. Despite the distance, by all accounts ridership on the Dover Plains-Wassaic section has always been reasonably high. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 9 12:43:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jul 9 12:14:16 2020. I knew of a few commuters who would drive in from Massachusetts to Dover Plains to get the train to GCT. and then catch a subway to Wall St! And I thought my commute from Beacon was bad. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:01:14 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020. 
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 13:34:59 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020. Those PRR and H&M cars which went into service in 1958 were notable in that they had air conditioning which had been tried on the NYC subway system without success. It would not be until 1966 when the TA purchased 10 new R-38 cars with air conditioning and 1969 when the TA finally made it standard on all new car purchases. I used to see those PATH cars on the WTC-Hoboken line in the 1970s. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 15:19:18 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:01:14 2020. I liked those cars and they shamed the TA into air conditioning an IRT-sized, single unit car.Doors at the extreme end probably not a great idea. Only one still exists, and its windows are welded over. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Jul 9 15:30:54 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jul 9 12:14:16 2020. A decent amount of traffic comes from northwestern Connecticut because the Harlem line is both closer and better-served than the Danbury branch. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:13:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 15:19:18 2020. For some reason, only the front offside doors of the cars were at the very ends. The staggering of the doors was most likely borrowed from the design of the IRT SMEES of the period. As I recall, that door when it was on the end car of a train did not open. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 16:17:35 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 15:19:18 2020. I think that by the time these cars were introduced the experiments on R-15 car 6239 (which is the only one of its type still in existence today) and a train of R-17 cars had already been done and the cars reverted to their original configuration. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:18:36 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 13:34:59 2020. When those cars were delivered, they ran exclusively on the Hud Term - Newark runs replacing the red MP38s that had served that run from the beginning of Newark service. The rest of the H&M lines continued to use the older black cars until the arrival of the PA-1s which went to the Newark service displacing the Ks to the other services. According to the H&M crews I knew, the Ks were alternately referred to a “Grays” for their color or “speed cars” since they were faster than the rest of the fleet. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 16:18:59 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:13:17 2020. I think that mechanically those cars were similar to IRT SMEE cars of the same vintage. At least they sounded a lot like them especially the brakes. |
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Posted by Asgard on Thu Jul 9 16:45:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:18:36 2020. As I recall, and it's been a long time, the PAs didn't run to Newark until the requirement for cab signals was eliminated. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 17:05:30 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 16:18:59 2020. Those cars were SMEEs which was pretty much state of the art brake equipment for rapid transit cars of the day. All air electric rapid transit cars of the period were SMEE except that while Boston, Philly and Cleveland equipped their cars with WABCO Cineston controllers which combined braking and propulsion control in a single handle, NYCTA, H&M and later PATH opted for a separate propulsion controller and brake valve. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 17:09:45 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by murray1575 on Thu Jul 9 16:17:35 2020. The A/C R0-17 were delivered with A/C and had the A/C units removed and replaced with axiflow fans manufactured by the Trane Company which I believe the R-33 singles also had. The A/C R-17s also had hard plastic seats in a matching red color to the vinyl padded seats on the rest of the fleet and similarly to the R-62s, the seats were bucket seats rather than the bench type. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 17:10:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Asgard on Thu Jul 9 16:45:44 2020. That would be correct. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Jul 9 18:12:13 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 9 08:09:54 2020. Crazy that PATH had two fleets debut years apart on the same day.PA5 are only 11 years old and they are already getting overhauled lol |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 20:44:09 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:01:14 2020. They were a treat to ride as far as I was concerned, although by the time I started fanning they were relegated between HOB and HT. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Jul 10 05:08:30 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:01:14 2020. I rode these once to Newark, railfanning with a friend, probably in 1967 or early 1968, and took a b&w photo of them in Newark. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:38:53 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 17:05:30 2020. Yet they could not MU with a PA class car. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:40:16 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 20:44:09 2020. They liked running them on the HOB-WTC expresses and could make quick relays with 3 sets of doors. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:41:28 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Express Rider on Fri Jul 10 05:08:30 2020. Half were called MP-51's eith keystones and lettering. They were owned by the PRR. The PA eventually purchased them from either the PC or Conrail. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 13:26:05 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 20:44:09 2020. I remember their swift and smooth ride and the A/C was tops. But why did H&M opt out for incandescent lighting wheh NYC subwyas had fluorescent lighting since 1948 ? 
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 13:38:37 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 13:26:05 2020. Pennsy influence ?The rebuilt LIRR MP54's of the mid and late 50's got bulleye lighting. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 14:04:28 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:41:28 2020. Notice a Class K car in between two MP-51's because of PRR cab signaling.  
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 14:20:13 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 13:38:37 2020. Pennsy influence ?The rebuilt LIRR MP54's of the mid and late 50's got bulleye lighting. No, the H&M Class K cars had the same lighting. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 14:53:24 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 14:20:13 2020. It is the same exact car, half the fleet of each K and MP51. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:33:30 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 13:26:05 2020. All the postwar Boston rapid transit cars including the 1962 era Boston Cambridge/Dorchester cars were made the same way. During the 1962 ERA convention in Boston one of the MTA (just prior to the creation of the MBTA) officials discussing the new cars was questioned about that. His response was that at the time no satisfactory DC to AC transformer system had been developed that would avoid the problems the NYCTA was having with their fluorescent lit cars. On the R-10s through 40s. all the TA’s SMEES (and 1575) utilized a timer that reversed to polarity of the lighting circuits every 30 min. Every so often, the device wouldn’t work so the fluorescent tubes would get dark ant one end and extremely bright at the other. In that case any qualified employee who observed the condition was supposed to go the the #1 cab of the car where a “main light reversing” switch was located on the back panel in the cab. It could only be accessed by the person cutting out the main lights, and opening the panel where he would operate a switch which reversed the polarity of the power to the lights. The panel would then be closed, the main lights cut back in and in a few minutes the car body lights would brighten. Of course this defect was to be reported to the appropriate car maintenance person at the first opportunity. The unreliability of this set up was what kept the H&M and transit officials in other cities from using fluorescent lights in their rolling stock for years. By the time of the R-42s a transformer system was developed that converted the DC 3rd rail power to AC for the cars body lights and all NYCTA equipment after that used that system. It was of course also available to other properties so even cities like Boston and Chicago were able to go with fluorescents. When the older NYCTA cars were GOHed, most though not all of them received wiring for the new system which is also by the way that on cars with that type of lighting system, the car body lights no longer go out over 3rd rail gaps. Most recent car orders I believe now utilize LEDs packaged in tubes similar to the old fluorescents which AFAIK can function with either AC or DC current. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:41:07 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 10 14:04:28 2020. The way I understand it, only a PRR MP-51 could be used as an operating car west of Journal Sq because of the cab signaling. In the unlikely even that a train of Ks or MP51s was needed for another service either car type could be used on the head end. I seem to recall reading some where that not all the prewar red Newark extension cars were PRR MP38s but some were H&M (class D I think) and not cab signal equipped and unable to be used on operating ends west of J/Sq either. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:47:06 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:38:53 2020. That’s a rather interesting point since at one point I was having a conversation with a PATH exec shortly after the takeover and he said that the PATH wanted to avoid any incompatibility problems and wanted to order cars that were fully compatible with the Ks. I don’t recall the circumstances, it might even have been an ERA meeting at which this person was a speaker. He even went so far as to say he wanted the new cars to have the older ME42A brake valves instead of the ME42Bs that were on the TA’s cars starting with the R-26s for the sake of uniformity of stockpiling parts. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 19:04:31 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:41:07 2020. Right, but the original point was bulls-eye lighting.I 'd say Pennsy influence, or ex-Pennsy staffers, as H&M engineering people designed it, just like mid-1950's MP54 rebuilds has them, and leaf-spring trucks in the Commonwealth truck and porthole side door windows on the P72's and MP72's, hallmarks of PRR design. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 19:27:14 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:47:06 2020. They all had H2C couplers to start with. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Jul 10 20:57:58 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:38:53 2020. Could they not MU originally, or only after the PAs were rebuilt? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 10 21:09:52 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 19:27:14 2020. The electric portions would have to be compatible too. Just as important. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 21:10:03 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 19:27:14 2020. Correct, and very likely compatible iron and air only but not electric. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Jul 10 21:22:54 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 10 18:33:30 2020. I think your terminology is a bit incorrect. Transformers just change the voltage and current of AC. They don't change DC to AC that was done on the early SMEE cars by motor-generator sets. Solid state inverters which converted DC to AC were introduced on the R42 and newer cars and were installed on the older cars when the went through GOH except for the WF cars which kept the old emergency lighting system. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 11 02:10:43 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jul 10 21:22:54 2020. It is a good possibility that my electrical terminology is a bit off. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 12 08:23:07 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:41:28 2020. Somewhere, maybe on-line or in a Bulletin issue, I came across a list of these cars, Class K/ MP51. I re-copied this list in roster format years back. Hopefully it is in my H&M/Path folder in my filing cabient, in, heh, my storage unit. |
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Posted by Asgard on Mon Jul 13 23:55:02 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for July 9, posted by Express Rider on Sun Jul 12 08:23:07 2020. PRR:1200-1205 -- single units 1206-1229 -- pairs H&M: 1230-1233 -- single units 1234-1249 -- pairs |
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