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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Oct 11 11:21:38 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:14:08 2019. nothing is beyond the walls. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:38:52 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Oct 10 21:59:53 2019. No.The tunnels have bellmouths on Both ends of the stations, that veer over to what would be the "express-local" configuration. The current express tracks would translation over to what would be the former local platform, now New Express Platform... while the locals are routed to the new local platform/trackways. Woodhaven Blvd is now an All Stop station. Leaving, the trains repeat, moving over to the usual alignment ,but now with the option becoming either exp or local...RBB,JAMCTR,or HILLSIDE via crossovers. Manhattan bound, same set up, local or exp, to three East River crossings. I'd say,it's pretty cool when you think about it,but for most parts...it will kill one of the best express runs ever in the system. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:44:03 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 10 21:54:47 2019. Nope.Won't cover the locals trackways. Express will move to the local, to facilitate new crossovers. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:51:38 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Oct 11 11:21:38 2019. Yeah.I know that, but it can be built. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 13:10:15 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 07:23:32 2019. If the MTA (or the City) owns the land on this unauthorized parking lot, why have they never attempted to collect rent, or would that be legitimzing commercial squatters ? |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Oct 11 13:19:21 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:14:04 2019. I believe the trackways are in place at Woodhaven Blvd, no tracks but essentially it would be a matter of taking down the wall to expose the trackway, similar to 63/Lex.Once local trains begin using the new trackways, the extension of the platforms over the defunct ex-local tracks to the express tracks should be a relatively easy thing to accomplish. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Oct 11 13:21:44 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 13:10:15 2019. Palms were likely greased in the construction process. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Oct 11 13:31:13 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:51:38 2019. with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ anything can be built. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 13:56:53 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Oct 11 13:31:13 2019. Yup.. along with the desire to build. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 14:31:28 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 10 23:37:56 2019. You're expecting a government-run entity to have foresight? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Oct 11 14:42:04 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 13:10:15 2019. If it's unauthorized, there's no lease and no right to collect rent. Their only recourse is eviction (or getting a lease signed with eviction as the implied threat). |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 11 16:46:47 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:27:50 2019. Pwned! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 11 16:47:57 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:02:28 2019. LOL. My earlier post with the big capital letters THE STUDY RELEASED |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:10:28 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:26:01 2019. The problem with that is the G provides no direct service to Manhattan and would require a change to one of the Manhattan bound services somewhere along the route whereas the M and R although both are locals provide one seat service for Rockaway passengers. |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Oct 11 17:21:21 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 13:10:15 2019. Maybe the building has an Easement with the City/MTA allowing for the use of that portion of the right-away as part of a parking lot. If so, hopefully the Easement contains a clause that allows for the City/MTA to rescind it with proper notification. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:23:44 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:38:52 2019. It would make no sense to divert the exp tks out to the lcl trackways. Considering the volume of passengers in Queens, having the lcl tks placed behind the wall with super wide island platforms would make sense. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:25:29 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:44:03 2019. Read my post. Making a hard rail connection from the present exp tks to the lcl trackways would require exp trains to slow down more than necessary so covering the lcl tks would make the most sense. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:26:44 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Express Rider on Thu Oct 10 22:48:51 2019. Follow my advice and get it from a regular Polish butcher. You won’t be disappointed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 17:30:23 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Oct 11 02:32:55 2019. It was dropped for a reason. It's not coming back. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 17:41:57 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:10:28 2019. During the middle of the night when the M does not run, who cares if the G provides a "one seat ride" or not. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:44:41 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Oct 11 02:32:55 2019. Although I agree with you since when I was a M/M we were allowed to key by without permission, the union would probably not allow it. Despite the fact that the union touts the gravity of responsibility of the T/Os it seems perfectly content to let the job be dumbed down eliminating employee accountability in the event anything should go wrong. Although many people don’t know it, the positioning the insulated rail joint adjacent to the signal so that if a train was moving slowly enough it doesn’t actually have to stop for the stop arm to go down. Also the M/M keying by were required to proceed with restricted speed and extreme caution (which functionally is no more than 10 MPH) prepared to stop within range of vision (which has been modified to half the range of vision). Unfortunately many old time M/M would get overconfident and either not come to a complete stop at all or even if they did, proceed too fast causing collisions which is why the rule was modified to require command center (now RCC) permission to key by. A couple of inexpensive measures could have been taken to avoid imposing the new rule. One would be to install manual release levers at the signals like the BMT (K) signals requiring the T/O activate the lever to drive the stop arm down which would definitely mean the train would have to make a full stop. The other would hav been to install a time relay in the stop arm mechanism that would put a 15 to 20 second delay before the stop arm would go down, also insuring the train would have to come top a complete stop. Typical of the TA’s knee jerk style of reacting the agency decided to ban keying by without permission entirely. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 17:49:11 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:10:28 2019. The G would provide additional trains on a heavily used route, plus it would give more and better connections to those people living south of Queens Plaza. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Oct 11 18:26:44 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:44:41 2019. "One would be to install manual release levers at the signals like the BMT (K) signals"I like that one. Simple, effective. Of course there are union, management and personnel issues, those will be harder. OK, impossible as things stand today. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 18:34:07 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Oct 11 09:02:30 2019. Got it, thanks. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 18:39:02 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by italianstallion on Fri Oct 11 16:47:57 2019. Found it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 19:03:18 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 14:31:28 2019. Are you saying the private sector is not short-sighted ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 19:05:02 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 17:49:11 2019. I think people living on the Crosstown Line would like direct access to places like Austin Street shopping and Queens Center Mall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 19:30:17 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 02:46:35 2019. But it will take them 40 years to get it done. The capital debt service and principle bombs on that alone will jack up fares to the point that they will not have a usable system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 19:37:24 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:27:50 2019. Yes. But after the city took over the other subways, they ran the system like they always intended to run it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 19:38:07 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 11 17:30:23 2019. No, there was no reason.And there's no excuse to not have such frequency with modern technology that purportedly makes it far easier. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 11 19:45:39 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:25:29 2019. High speed "hard rail" connecting (up to 60mph) crossings exist on many commuter railroads nowadays. Why can't the subway install high speed crossings at certain locations on the QB line that would eliminate the need to slow down exp trains? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Oct 11 20:01:47 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 11 19:45:39 2019. They'd need to knock out more columns, might need to do some structural work above the trackway to accomplish that. If there's not enough vertical clearance it would make it pretty expensive.That said, there's no excuse for slow crossings on surface, open cut, viaduct or els. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 22:59:59 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:23:44 2019. Makes plenty of sense.Plus, the option still would be available to operate through service. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 23:02:21 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 11 17:25:29 2019. Why bother rereading Your post, when mine was much better than yours?It's clear that you didn't understand me. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 23:03:57 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 11 19:45:39 2019. Not if a trailing switch was installed. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 23:04:39 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 11 19:45:39 2019. Not if a trailing switch was installed.plus trains will have to slow down anyway. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Oct 11 23:40:18 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 11 19:45:39 2019. Proles would be allowed to think there time is worth something. That would be dangerous; no break can be allowed in the humiliation of the proles! |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Oct 12 00:56:29 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 19:37:24 2019. Which was? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 12 07:12:23 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 11 19:38:07 2019. Then you have made a case for CBTC. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Oct 12 08:00:42 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Oct 9 19:05:06 2019. tunnlrat has been in the underjump.it is within the confines of the 4 track ROW.it extends AS a separate tunnel that comes out at 63rdrive. you can see the bellmouth from the east end of the station.the eastern bellmouth HAS track,3rd rail& signals beyond the concrete wall.i,ve seen the "AS BUILT"blueprints on these and have talked to 2 separate sources who were in the eastbound tunnel,where a train used to be layed up before the extension to 67ave was built.this tunnel is at queens blvd.-n- 66th ave. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Oct 12 08:03:41 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 18:56:52 2019. go to a polish butcher.I highly recommend RAPACKI`S IN THE EAST MEADOW SHOPPING CENTER. GET THE "FINE GRIND" ABSOLUTELY NO FAT CHUNKS IN IT. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sat Oct 12 08:42:07 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 10 13:46:56 2019. The old signal system is a dinosaur. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 12 09:38:43 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Oct 12 08:00:42 2019. How much tunneling do you think is required form the eastern end of these forgotten tunnels to White Pot where it would join the RBB branch ? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Oct 12 10:04:55 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by AlM on Fri Oct 11 14:42:04 2019. A deal could be made to loft the line over the parking lot at their expense. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Oct 12 10:32:33 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Oct 12 08:00:42 2019. This lines up with the contract drawing shown in page 45 of the report, suggesting the tunnel extends at least as far as the intersection of 66th Av and Saunders St. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Oct 12 10:35:28 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 12 09:38:43 2019. The measuring tool on Google Maps suggests that the intersection of 66th Av/Saunders St (likely the furthest point of construction) to the ROW is about 1400 feet, with tunneling under some residential buildings as indicated in the report. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 12 11:08:42 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Oct 10 17:52:34 2019. Wne the (E) stood alone (before the (F) could be. There was one lion running on that line.Once the (F) started runnng this created a merge/diverge coindition and that forced the trains to wait for each other. Adding the (EE) created more merge/diverge locations and slowed it down even moar. Each time you zdd a new routing you delat the trains. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT THE LION IS SO HOT to tame the Broadway BMT? (RR) is the ONLY local running Astoria to Ft. Hamilton, (NO SWITCHES) IT runs via the 60th Street Tunnel and the Montague Tunnel and is the ONLY service on this route. (Q) 96th Street to Coney Island via Brighton LCL via Bway Exp, 63rd street, and Bridge. (N) 169th to bway exp via 63rd Street Via Bridge to Coney Island Vai Sea Beach KEEPS the Merges to a MINNIMUM (E) to 8th Avenue via 53rd Street (F) to 6th Avenue via 63rd Street (M) Continental to Metropolitan via 6th Ave UNTAN GLE the ROUTES to make the subways run faster. IT BOILS DCOWN tio this: Doy you want faster service Or do you want one seat rides YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 12 11:20:23 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 18:40:25 2019. Eh??? What you say? ROARING |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 12 11:24:30 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 18:56:52 2019. Kill Bossy is what you do when she no longer gives milk.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Oct 12 11:27:46 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 18:56:52 2019. No Polish butchers in North Dakota.Damn few non-supermarket butchers anywhere in the state. Save of course for custom butchers. Their meats are wrapped in packages that clearly state "NOT FOR SALE" Of course you can also try the meats used by the zoo "INEDIBLE -- For Animal Food Only." |
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