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Posted by R30A on Thu Oct 10 11:55:25 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 10 11:50:08 2019. Even if it was, the current system works a lot better than any replacement using the RBL would. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 10 12:02:15 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 08:14:36 2019. Of course, the original plan was to run one 63rd St. service down Second Ave. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 10 12:46:26 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:36:51 2019. Just put a nice big piece of fresh Cleveland keibasa in an extra large have A Heart trap! Best place to locate it is near 76th Street! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 10 12:48:44 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 10 11:45:05 2019. That *IS* being thought of, but NJT is a better ride than the PATH. And for those who are seniors, cheaper as well.ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 13:45:22 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:30:22 2019. CBTC will accomplish nothing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 13:46:53 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by AlM on Thu Oct 10 11:50:08 2019. It's a 2 car train. How does ridership compare to the Franklin Shuttle ? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 10 13:46:56 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 13:45:22 2019. no, it sponges up funds, keeps vendors and consultants well fed. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 13:54:15 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 10 13:46:56 2019. Well...other than that! |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 14:06:42 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 9 19:10:04 2019. This is one reason why it should be incorporated into the subway. It would be able to run more frequently and the study team themselves have already stated it would have higher ridership as subway. Perhaps they could even increase the figure beyond the 47K they projected if some of the southeast Queens bus routes (like the Q85 and Q111) were rerouted to the RBB at North Conduit Ave instead of crawling up Merrick or Farmers boulevards. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 15:03:17 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 10 12:46:26 2019. Just put a nice big piece of fresh Cleveland keibasa in an extra large have A Heart trap! Best place to locate it is near 76th Street!LOL ! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 15:41:03 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 10 12:48:44 2019. EWR NJT fare surcharge will be $8 more than the North Elizabeth Fare next month.62 bus (and several others) out of NWK Penn is the cheapest option. Full fare from NYPS is $5.50 NJT Rail + $1.60 NJT Bus. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 10 15:41:44 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 9 19:10:04 2019. Something else to consider...What if Amtrak, the owner of Penn Station, does not want to give the LIRR track slots for the RBB service, if they are short trains as a possibility, given the ridership though. If is that case, they would have to go through ESA into Grand Central, or in worse case scenario, end service at Long Island City or Hunterspoint Avenue. In terms of the subway option, they would have go with the Queens Boulevard line, leaving from the bellmouths east of the station Woodhaven Boulevard, with supposed provisions behind the side local platforms for additional track space. Long shots for other provisions would be the planned Super Express route via the 63rd Street Tunnel (seen east of 21st Street-Queensbridge on the Jamaica-bound track) or the Queens Boulevard Line's bellmouth east of the Roosevelt Avenue station from the 1929 plan, which had a never-used upper terminal station near the 75th Street end and the route criss-crossing through Central Queens before reaching the RBB. Of course, if any of this happens, I doubt very much I will ever see this in my lifetime. -William A. Padron ["IND Second System"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 15:50:36 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Oct 9 22:03:42 2019. I just read the study.They seem to be in denial that there is any tunneling at all, just "provisions" for it on Queens Blvd. They also want to replace overpasses at places such as Park Lane South and Jamaica Avenue simply because they have been unused and not painted since 1962 and would not meet seismic requirements. LI stations would have snow and ice melting technology. That's nice, but the rest and of the LIRR and subway system lack that. Woodhaven Jct station doesn't need north end access. Why are they demanding it ? Center 600' long train over Atlantic Avenue ought to be sufficient. The J line 104th Street station's 102nd street mezzanine needs to be put back. No mention of that, and assumed no ridership transfers would occur. Seems to me they are trying to pile on costs to make it $6.7 to $8 billion. No mention of the tree route structure within the embankment, and whether or not that all has to be dug out. Just description of silt, soil, morraine, ground water, and bedrock 400' down. That's what Long Island + Queens are. Why is that an issue here ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 15:55:59 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Oct 10 15:41:44 2019. Amtrak is not interested in where LIRR trains go and doesn't give out track slots to LIRR.Amtrak and LIRR have a Joint Operating Agreement and LIRR own's their's, grandfathered form the 1960's, some of which are being transferred to MN in 2023 for Bronx service. As far as Amtrak is concerned, they are all MTA-LIRR trains. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 10 15:57:36 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Tue Oct 8 14:13:08 2019. But can the Queens Blvd line accommodate any more traffic- even with CBTC? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 16:03:24 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 10 15:57:36 2019. Yes. The local track can handle 30 TPH. The M and R are nowhere near that. Bleed off one of another east of 63rd Drive to RBB, and Forest Hills can fumigating the G train. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 10 16:58:49 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:30:22 2019. CBTC will do nothing for capacity.As it stands, the Queens Blvd subway is the only east west Fully equipped rapid transit route built specifically to be a TRUNK line with feeder options. The 63rd St subway/Bypass route is the key to killing that conga line normally seen during the peak period. The key to the successful utilization of the Bypass? Eliminate the "drama stations" planned for Woodside. Super Express means Exactly that. Stations should be located at the Spur... and connection to the Jamaica El. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 10 16:58:51 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:30:22 2019. CBTC will do nothing for capacity.As it stands, the Queens Blvd subway is the only east west Fully equipped rapid transit route built specifically to be a TRUNK line with feeder options. The 63rd St subway/Bypass route is the key to killing that conga line normally seen during the peak period. The key to the successful utilization of the Bypass? Eliminate the "drama stations" planned for Woodside. Super Express means Exactly that. Stations should be located at the Spur... and connection to the Jamaica El. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 17:40:21 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 15:50:36 2019. Agreed 100%. I really think they decided to “gold-plate” the proposals and hyper-inflate the costs, in the hope that everyone will shut up about bringing back train service on the Rockaway. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Oct 10 17:52:34 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 16:03:24 2019. I thought the subway did 40 tph in the 1940s. What happened, time got slower? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 10 18:23:59 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Oct 10 17:52:34 2019. The city took over. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 18:40:25 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Oct 10 17:52:34 2019. Key-by went away in the 1970's. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 18:56:52 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 15:03:17 2019. I haven’t tasted that brand of kielbasa so I can’t attest to its quality or lack thereof, but I have found that most prepackaged brands of alleged “Polish sausage” as found in supermarkets lack the zestiness of the kielbasa I purchase from my local Polish butcher. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:02:28 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by italianstallion on Wed Oct 9 19:13:02 2019. I can’t find a link to the study. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:15:19 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:33:12 2019. That’s what he’s saying although I’m not sure if that is actually the case. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:19:51 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 10 12:02:15 2019. And if/when built would be the logical Rockaway/Airport service. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:23:12 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Thu Oct 10 00:14:39 2019. An additional lcl service along Qns Blvd would probably not be needed since the only station where service would actually be diminished would be 67 Av since all the stations up to 63 Dr would have the same 2 services and Ctl is accessible by the remaining local service and the express services stopping there. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:27:50 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 10 18:23:59 2019. The city always ran the IND! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:28:18 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 18:40:25 2019. Late 1970 to be exact. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 19:42:30 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:23:12 2019. Agreed...and they can run at least three more M trains per hour. By having only the M terminating at Continental and having the other local go to Howard Beach/Rockaway Park, it may be that much faster to get trains into and out of Continental. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 10 21:54:47 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:15:19 2019. You can see the trackway diverge on each side of Woodhaven Blvd from a RFW, so I'm pretty sure it's legit.They would then cover over the current local track to double the width of the platform. Pretty ingenious. Regardless of what they do with the RBB this conversion should be done anyway. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Oct 10 21:59:53 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 10 21:54:47 2019. The way I always understood it, the tunnel just widens a bit on either side of the current platforms, enough for a track to go where the current platforms are. New express/local platforms would be constructed over the current local tracks and the existing local platforms would then be demolished-- no platforms get widened. I never really looked there as I passed on a local, though, as I usually am on an express when I do pass Woodhaven Blvd. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Oct 10 22:48:51 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 18:56:52 2019. you are making my mouth water, and I don't think I've ever tried Kielbasa. Maybe once (?) but I don't really remember. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Oct 10 23:21:10 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 10 11:36:51 2019. There might be a large fly in the ointment when it comes to any plans to re-activate the line - a large apartment building was erected on the right of way of the line - I think the place is called the Crescent Apartments - and unless someone comes up with a plan to get around it, there will be no reactivation of any rail service by anyone. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 10 23:32:53 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by jailhousedoc on Thu Oct 10 23:21:10 2019. Since the ROW still belongs to the MTA, how did anyone get permits trequired to build an apartment building on property they don't own? I realize that many homeowners have illegally expanded their backyards but I doubt than any buildings are actually on the MTA property |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 10 23:37:56 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Oct 10 21:59:53 2019. I guess my only issue with that theory is it makes it impossible to do with normal service levels; to demolish a platform, place a track in its place, and cover over an active running track would not be do-able in a single weekend. I would hope the IND would have had the foresight to realize knocking out an entire track during weekdays would have been a non-starter considering the ridership levels and TPH then were greater than they are now... |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Oct 11 00:16:49 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 10 23:32:53 2019. The ROW passes through a parking lot used by residents of the apartment building, but not under the building itself. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 00:27:17 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by VictorM on Fri Oct 11 00:16:49 2019. There is going to be one big yell let out by the residents of that building should they become aware of any planned re-activation of that line. How the builders placed that parking lot there and not caught any flack for it is a conundrum. We will just have to wait and see what develops. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 00:32:56 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 19:42:30 2019. I would like to see a new line built from Continental to run up Main Street - there are three bus lines on that street alone from the Grand Central Parkway going north - and two lines in the nighttime hours. Sounds like justification to me, but what do I know ? |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Oct 11 02:32:55 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 10 18:40:25 2019. So bring it back. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 02:46:35 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Oct 10 13:46:56 2019. It also gives the MTA an example of how they are investing in state-of-the-art signaling, so people stop bugging them about how their signal system dates back to the early 20th century. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:12:55 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Oct 10 10:34:34 2019. Wait...at Woodhaven Blvd, where are the turnstiles and stairways to the street? When I passed through the station, I thought everything was at platform level - no separate mazzanine level. If so, won't that make creating a 2-island-platform express stop pretty difficult? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:17:05 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 00:27:17 2019. Probably the city never bothered to enforce it, since nobody was complaining. I just hope that there is nothing that says that the building has rights to the land because of it. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 07:20:30 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:12:55 2019. There is a mezzanine at Woodhaven Blvd. - I would like to see that station become an express stop, what with the mall right upstairs from the station. With increased bus service on Woodhaven, what would be a long term plan for that road - automobiles regularly clog the lanes, and getting from Queens Blvd. to Rockaway Blvd. and points south of there are difficult for those without cars ( hint, hint ). |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 11 07:23:32 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:17:05 2019. Now that this proposal is coming up, and the people who put the parking lot in the place where it should not have been are either long gone or long retired, it is now the headache for those who did not cause the problem in the first place. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:26:01 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Oct 10 19:42:30 2019. I figure that extending the G would give back the service that the riders lost when it was truncated, in addition to adding to Queens Blvd. Also, since I proposed that the M would be the one going to the Rockaways, though it will probably remain a part-time service, I would have the G fill in the Rockaway service when the M isn't running. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:41:45 2019, in response to Re: THE STUDY RELEASED-Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 10 10:32:39 2019. Only if you consider Midtown Manhattan or Lower Manhattan the Middle of Nowhere. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Oct 11 09:02:30 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 10 19:02:28 2019. The link to the study...PHASE ONE: ROCKAWAY BEACH BRANCH SKETCH ASSESSMENT, FINAL WHITE PAPER, LIRR CONTRACT 6168C-10-09, RELEASE “A”. -William A. Padron ["Woodhaven"] |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:14:04 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:12:55 2019. There is a large Mezz above the tracks/platforms.This station can definitely can be rebuilt as an Express stop with little effort since it is completely within Queens Blvd right of way. For all we know, there might be trackways behind those walls already. The IND planned for branch lines from this route in the vicinity, so that makes sense. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 11 11:14:08 2019, in response to Re: Study of old Rockaway rail line’s revival back on track, posted by 3-9 on Fri Oct 11 07:12:55 2019. There is a large Mezz above the tracks/platforms.This station can definitely can be rebuilt as an Express stop with little effort since it is completely within Queens Blvd right of way. For all we know, there might be trackways behind those walls already. The IND planned for branch lines from this route in the vicinity, so that makes sense. |
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