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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 15:59:38 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. WOW!!!!! Thanx for sharing these. Love that top photo especially.Thanx again. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 16:02:44 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. Those roof vents on 103. Don't recall seeing them like that. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 24 16:25:23 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 16:02:44 2019. Didn't know they had them going back that far. I've seen late 60s early 70s pics of that car with those vents but I thought it was because of the axiflo fans. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 24 17:04:33 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Aug 24 16:25:23 2019. I'm just glad that 103 is still with us! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 24 17:11:10 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. loved the big rfwand the sounds |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sat Aug 24 17:20:43 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 16:02:44 2019. The roof vents were installed, along with the interior axiflow fans, during the late 1940's or so. The picture of #103 is from a fan trip operated on 10/30/1971.R-1 #103, Fort Hamilton Parkway, BMT Sea Beach Line ["N"], 10/30/1971. -William A. Padron ["CONY"] |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:04:57 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Aug 24 17:20:43 2019. Thank you for the info.It did say fantrip in the captioned notes/info. below the original photo; however, being in B & W, I thoguht maybe the fantrip into. was a mistake. Well, guess it was my mistake. The black and white did rally make it look vintage though. I hope someone will be able to find that other photo - the one I wrote about with the R1 at Stillwell ave. with IIRC, that number 4 sign up front, sitting next to an AB. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 24 18:05:33 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. The top photo in particular looks like an early 1970's fan trip. The 'CONEY ISLAND' type smacks of a Transign roll sign - and Transign didn't exist until 1959. Also, when the eight IND R-1's were loaned to the BMT for a few months in 1951 they had, on the top left side, a roll sign from a Triplex, thus there was no 'Sea Beach' right below the 4.EDIT: I see 'Steve B-8AVEXP' dated this top pic to Oct. 30, 1971. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:06:15 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 24 17:11:10 2019. those were the cars of my childhood, first started riding them when I was four or five, on the E and F. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:08:40 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 24 18:05:33 2019. Thanks for the info! :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:09:38 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 15:59:38 2019. You're welcome! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 24 21:32:31 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Aug 24 17:20:43 2019. Check out that nut sitting on the panograph gates between 103 & the next car trying to get a photo of that R44. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Aug 24 22:10:24 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Aug 24 21:32:31 2019. Not only that, but the people on the tracks behind the R44. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 24 22:35:10 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:06:15 2019. i know you had fun |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 25 02:07:18 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 24 17:04:33 2019. Me too |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 02:33:14 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 24 22:35:10 2019. Looking out the RFW on those long express runs between 71st & Roosevelt; and Roosevelt & Queens Plaza... can only warm a railfan's heart!Oh yeah! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 25 09:03:13 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Aug 24 17:20:43 2019. I remember that day. And no, I wasn't on that rip. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Sun Aug 25 12:31:34 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. Some Arnines (I think it was about 100) were transferred to the BMT starting in 1948 when the R-10s arrived. This helped to alleviate the BMT's chronic shortage of steel subway cars. They ran almost exclusively on the #2 - Fourth Ave. Local route. Most of them went back to the IND when the R-16s arrived in 1955, although they did show up occasionally on the Fourth Ave. Local until the late 1950s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 25 13:34:36 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Aug 24 17:11:10 2019. Yup.My first ride that I can remember was on the QJ heading to Brooklyn. I remember watching my Dad crossing the tracks at 168th from that old building there..and being happy to see all of us. Gave Mom a big hug/kiss...grabbed my head with that silly "Hey SPORT!" thing he always did...and kissed my sister on the top of her head. What I clearly remember about that day was the R32 sitting on the other track. Never saw one of those before and I asked him about it. EVEN asked him how much it cost! It was a good day. Pops even gave me a dollar when we got off at Halsey st heading to the supermarket. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 25 13:49:33 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:04:57 2019. You mean this one??? The actual year is 1931, not 1932 in the caption texr.R-1 #381, Coney Island-Stillwell Avenue, BMT #4 route, with BMT AB type train. -William A. Padron ["Sea Beach"] |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 25 14:48:52 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. 
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Posted by northshore on Sun Aug 25 14:59:59 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 25 14:48:52 2019. The famous teat train |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 25 15:46:50 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 24 18:05:33 2019. Also, the lowest numbered city car sent to the BMT was #200, so no 103 in 1931. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 25 16:59:13 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 25 13:34:36 2019. Edwards! Great story!!!The good old days! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 25 17:24:17 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 25 02:07:18 2019. Me three!!! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 25 18:38:47 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 25 14:48:52 2019. Now, that's a Triplex route sign up front! |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Aug 25 19:05:30 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by SLRT on Sun Aug 25 15:46:50 2019. Ha! Another eagle eye and historical expert. I tip my hat. |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Aug 25 19:06:22 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 25 18:38:47 2019. That was exactly what I was saying, viz the pic of 103 in the '71 fantrip . . . |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 25 19:47:53 2019, in response to Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 15:34:52 2019. Awesome stuff.Glad I got to see these trains in their final years in J and L lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:30:24 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 25 13:49:33 2019. Would there possibly be any photos of the R-9s in color taken when the cars were brand new pre steel dust? I say R-9s simply because they would have been the only cars of the R-1/9 group that would have been still relatively new at the time the earliest color film was developed. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:40:07 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 25 13:34:36 2019. The “off property” building housed the Tower and the T/D office. During at least the AM rush and possibly the PM rush, the T/D would operate from a small shed at the Manhattan end of the platform and the ATD would remain in the office tending to the train register sheets. As an aside, most documentation indicated that the Jamaica interlocking machine was like the machines at Essex St and Chambers were manufactured by Federal Switch and Signal. At some point, the machine at Essex St was replaced by GRS machine but from where I don’t know. According to a Tw/M at Jamaica I spoke to the Federal machine at Jamaica was replaced by the GRS machine removed from Gold St (Myrtle Av) circa 1960 after the Dekalb Av area was realigned. The Federal machine at Chambers remained until Chambers interlocking was completely replaced and placed on Essex St’s board. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:45:05 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by W.B. on Sat Aug 24 18:05:33 2019. Why would that have been the case since photos from circa 1949 show the “4 Ave” under the number 2 so why wouldn’t the 4 have “Sea Beach” under it. Also If I recall seeing somewhere, the R-1s and R-9s that went to the BMT at that time only had the BNT routes and destinations for the 4 Av Lcl spliced into the IND roll signs and no other BMT routes. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:47:53 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by W.B. on Sun Aug 25 19:06:22 2019. That may have been true for the T-1s circa 1930, but As I mentioned in my other post, the R-1s and R-9s sent to the BMT circa 1948 did have the BMT route names under the number. Phots back this up. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 20:55:24 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Aug 25 13:49:33 2019. Yes! That's the one!Thank you for finding it! :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:03:16 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:30:24 2019. That would be an interesting search subject.Might have been taken by an enterprising* railfan circa 1940, or finding a possible color photo taken by the manufacturer (don't have the R9 manufacturer name at my fingertps), residing in their files, or in the manufacturer's photographer's private collection (much digging for either of those sources probably!) *one who was a "go getter" and would have sought out color film, which I understand, was brand new for consumers, hard to get back then, and very expensive. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:09:31 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by BMT Standard on Sun Aug 25 12:31:34 2019. where were track connections between the BMT and the IND back in 1948?(I'll bet it's something obvious, that I gonna kick myself for not remembering!) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:17:08 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 25 19:47:53 2019. :) I know what you mean.I feel the same way. I was lucky to ride the Q's on Myrtle Ave, AB's on the Canarsie & Myrtle Chambers, and the Steinways - WF and Lo-V's on the 3rd ave el. during the last couple of years of service for each, 1967-1969. I missed the Multis, and Hi-V's (maybe rode them once - east side local - I've posted this before, but wouldn't nave been aware of them) and probably rode Lo-V's in mainline service, but again, too young to be aware of car differences. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 26 01:33:35 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:09:31 2019. I’m not sure, but I think by then the hand throw switch connection at Ditmas on the Culver was in place. Otherwise they would have had to be pulled by an SBK electric loco to the 38 St dock and carfloated to 207 St Yd. A similar move from the BMT via 38 St was probably done with the Qs when they were transferred from the Flushing Line to the IRT for 3 Av El use. In that case, they would have been carfloated to 148 St Yd. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 26 01:43:45 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:17:08 2019. When I was a pre teen, I lived along the Bway IRT and my grandmother lived in the south Bronx so the only kind of cars I saw were Hi-Vs on Bway and Pelham or Flivvers on the 7 Av/West Farms all of which had the big brass controller handle with the true “dead man’s button” in the top of the knob. Then one Saturday afternoon I insisted on taking The Bway to the Lex Exp to get to my sister’s in Woodlawn instead of our usual A to the D at 145 St. At G/Cent, the M/M on the Lex Exp had his cab door open and for the first time I saw a Lo-V controller and I thought to myself “that doesn’t look like any IRT controller I ever saw.” As I got older, I got to learn the differences between the various similar looking IRT cars. At some point, I might have even ridden a Composite on the Polo Grounds Shuttle but since I was only 5 at the time they were removed, I probably thought they were just another normal IRT car. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Aug 26 03:46:05 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Aug 25 16:59:13 2019. Sure was.It was my Mom that was the train buff...but my Dad showed me the how's and whys. His tools..brake handles reverse key..and a whole bunch of other stuff. I ALWAYS thought I would be a train operator..but I had another calling. Those R units were time machines...transporting us all backwards And forwards though wide eyed wonderment. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Aug 26 04:22:34 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 26 01:33:35 2019. The IND was not connected to the Culver until 1954 |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Mon Aug 26 04:24:01 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 25 13:34:36 2019. That's a very touching story. Thanks for sharing.As for me, I hated seeing the R9s on the BMT. Those ugly cattle cars should have been kept underground, on the IND, away from the eye of the general public. I would have gotten on the QJ Brightliner heading for the Brighton. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 26 08:16:40 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:30:24 2019. The only color image found on Dave's website to date is this one of the IND cars operating on the World's Fair Line. By the time this picture was taken, it is no doubt that the steel dust had already set in on the fleet.IND World's Fair Line, 6/18/1939. -William A. Padron ["71st Ave."] |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Aug 26 09:01:09 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by northshore on Sun Aug 25 14:59:59 2019. Are you the saying the Arnines were cows? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Aug 26 09:15:43 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:09:31 2019. where were track connections between the BMT and the IND back in 1948? According to Mr. Henry Raudenbush there was a single track connection between the South Brooklyn Railway and the IND South Brooklyn Line just outside the portal south of Church Avenue station. This is opened in 1937 and was used for the deliveries of the R7,R-8, R-8A and R-9 cars. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by zac on Mon Aug 26 13:29:01 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by W.B. on Sun Aug 25 19:05:30 2019. Just looking at the person in the RFW dates this much later. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Aug 26 16:47:47 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by William A. Padron on Mon Aug 26 08:16:40 2019. This is a spectacular photo, both for the color and of course, the history.I have used my library's color printer to make an 8 x 10 copy that I have mounted on my wall - only a railfan would do this! :) |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 26 16:49:33 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by northshore on Mon Aug 26 04:22:34 2019. The revenue service connector did not open until 1954 but there was a switch connection (probably hand throw) between the N/B Culver lcl tk and the IND at the N/E of Ditmas for a few years before that. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Aug 26 16:52:33 2019, in response to Re: Arnines on the BMT - photos - early years, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 26 01:33:35 2019. Thanks. The carfloat method was what I figured if there was no other direct BMT-IND connection back in 1948.I did not know about the manual hand thrown switch at Ditmas - that's interesting (maybe read about it here earlier, but never saved the post and so wouldn't have remembered it). I remember sometime in the last couple of years or so, there was a lengthy thread on the connceting ramp between Church Ave. and the Culver line - when it was completed, and when was the initial trackage etc. installed. |
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