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Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019 So I may finally have a potential trip on offer (and not on the Palmetto). So quick question regarding the Auto Train: If you're booked in a sleeper, is it possible to access the coach section? Strict segregation is impossible on every other train since the lounge and dining cars are shared, but the Auto Train has separate lounge/diner cars for coach and sleeper, so they could easily keep them separate. When I last rode the Auto Train, they had one of those diner-to-lounge conversion cars on it and if there's one running on mine I'd love to actually get pics of it— but it seems to be luck of the draw when they show up, and having access to the entire train boosts my odds of getting to ride in one however briefly. If I do take this trip, my car-having companion will not be driving me all the way back to New York, so I'll have to take more trains from Washington DC. I was planning on taking the Acela in first class, since I've never done that before. Is there anybody who has taken Acela in first class and has opinions on whether it's worth it? Whether another option might be preferable to the Acela entirely? Also, just as a practical question, Acela first class claims to offer at-seat meal service but does this apply to a train that doesn't really cover any mealtimes? Is there any way of knowing the specific menu in advance? (Amtrak's website lists three rotating menus but offers no way to know which will be used on any given day.) tl;dr version: 1. Can sleeper passengers on the Auto Train access the coach section? 2. Is Acela first class worth it when travelling from WAS to NYP? 3. Is there any way to determine the (first class) lunch/dinner menu for a specific Acela train in advance, or whether lunch/dinner will be served at all on a train that doesn't entirely map to the right time of day for it?
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Jun 23 21:59:55 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* My tuppence. I wouldn't bother with Acela at all. Admittedly I only tried it once in "business" which is their "coach" The coffee was terrible, the pastry was frozen Sara Lee nuked to soggy. Carry out from Au Bon Pain would be much better. Depending on your timing and where your buddy is letting you off, either the Meteor, or the Crescent would give you adequate food NB. Enjoy the trip, whatever your final itinerary.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Jun 23 23:11:07 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 23 21:59:55 2019.* Hm, my experience with the cafe car on Acela tends to hover around a "not worth it" but apparently they have something vaguely swankier in first class. If first class is otherwise worth it, I'd book a train that serves dinner just to get that included too. Here's hoping the trip goes far better than the process of booking it. Amtrak's reservation people have a bit of trouble with the idea of two people who are travelling together but not "together" on the Auto Train with one car but essentially two separate reservations with separate payments. I had to arrange three (3) conference calls to get everything sorted.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jersey Mike* on Mon Jun 24 04:06:20 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* AX First Class from WAS to NYP is really only worth it if your company is paying, you have a class upgrade coupon or you really have points to burn.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jun 24 04:44:30 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 23 21:59:55 2019.* I always liked Amtrak's coffee. Maybe since they switch vendors from Green Mtn to DD, it may have gone down.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine* on Mon Jun 24 05:26:12 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* I can't help with Acela class questions because I find even commuter rail seating to be super luxurious :-) But an unrelated opinion: I've done WAS to NYP many times both Acela and on non-Acela. IMHO Acela (no matter what the class) is not worth it. It's 3 hours vs 3.5 hours. Anecdotally - Acela schedule adherence seemed better than average. I only rode it a few times so cannot provide a broad statistical base.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Mon Jun 24 08:53:30 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* Never did Auto Train, but I don't regret my decision the one time in 2015 I took Acela 1st Class from WAS to NYP on an evening run (thus an appropriate time to be served dinner). Not sure if/when I'd do it again though. You don't do it for speed, that's for sure. I think it's only worth it if: 1) (Most important) You very much appreciate, more than most people, having your food brought to you, being checked up on every few minutes by staff, and eating comfortably with silverware, etc. 2) (Second most) You plan to have a few drinks 3) (Least important) You arrive a little early and want a quieter place to wait for the train (the lounge). I like to read a lot, so I enjoyed the quiet(er) lounge access and the service, and did have a couple of drinks. I don't remember anything special about the decor of the car -- pretty bland and typical carbody -- and actually I recall the windows being quite dirty (which disappointed me as I had just watched a video about how carefully they clean and maintain the cars for Acela given the money coming out of the customers' pockets). The bathroom for 1st class was huge -- I have to say that! One thing to note is that the attendants in 1st Class seemed to be expecting tips upon arrival into NYP - not sure if that's normal or still the case. So plan on another few bucks there. To add, I don't think I would ever do business class on Acela because while I haven't done it yet, I currently fail to see much difference between that and regular train travel. The time savings with Acela is way too minimal. If you rule out 1st class, then I'd just go on a regular train, unless you find some extraordinary ticket pricing or deal going on. Hope this helps.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Mon Jun 24 13:06:55 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Jun 24 08:53:30 2019.* My review from 2015
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by AEM-7AC #901* on Mon Jun 24 15:49:34 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Jun 24 04:06:20 2019.* you really have points to burn I'd say that the solo seat, dinner at your seat service, and low grade Courvoisier were worth the 12000 points that I paid for a 8 PM late evening departure nearly three years ago. Mind you, that was a very emotional trip for me given the circumstances at the time.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by AEM-7AC #901* on Mon Jun 24 15:53:05 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* 2. Is Acela first class worth it when travelling from WAS to NYP? As I noted to JM, I rode in First, but was a special case scenario for me, and I've yet to replicate that experience for the section north to Boston. If you have money to burn and enjoy skipping the peasant stops, Business should be sufficient, but First makes it a bit more special. Mind you, I booked on points and not with actual cash, so my situation is different.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Mon Jun 24 18:59:26 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 24 04:44:30 2019.* IIRC that time it was Chase & Sanborn or some other under roasted powder. I am a dark Fr roast guy, and courtesy of a dear friend have a restaurant grade espresso machine, so, spoiled by genuine first class. As to pastry quality, I live near several artisanal bakeries whose croissants and danishes are excellent.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Mon Jun 24 21:01:02 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 24 04:44:30 2019.* Maybe since they switch vendors from Green Mtn to DD, it may have gone down. That's a fair bet. DD coffee is disgusting.
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Why Do I Need A Paper Ticket? (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Nilet* on Mon Jun 24 21:14:44 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* After finally solving (hopefully) the last problem with my reservation, I was told, essentially, that I needed a traditional paper ticket for the Auto Train and couldn't use an e-ticket (despite them having sent an e-ticket for the incorrect reservation prior to it being fixed). Why do I need a paper ticket? Can I use the (old) e-ticket, since the only part of it that the conductor checks is the barcode, which just contains my reservation number, which hasn't changed? Why does my ticket not list train number or room number? And what does "fare plan: GOAT" mean?
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by AlM* on Tue Jun 25 06:10:37 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* The question of how to travel between NYC and WA, whether Acela 1st class, Acela Business, Regional, Megabus, or hitchhiking for that matter, depends entirely on the financial standing of the person or entity paying for the ticket.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Jun 25 06:47:24 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 25 06:10:37 2019.* As an aside, I ride Amtrak #79 & 80 twice a year in Business class, I have so many Amtrak points, I can afford to do this.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by IRTRedbirdR33* on Tue Jun 25 06:52:44 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 25 06:47:24 2019.* As an aside, I ride Amtrak #79 & 80 twice a year in Business class, I have so many Amtrak points, I can afford to do this. Are the seat assigned in business class or is it first come. first served? Also does business class include meals or beverages? Thank you. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Pragmatist* on Tue Jun 25 07:39:14 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 25 06:10:37 2019.* not entirely, where you want to leave from and what time you want to be there are pretty big factors
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Pragmatist* on Tue Jun 25 07:44:00 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jun 25 06:52:44 2019.* seats are not assigned, NER BC incudes a (non alcholic) beverage, Acela BC does not..
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Jun 25 10:13:38 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Jun 25 07:44:00 2019.* Correct, on #79 & #80, we have our choice of water, orange juice, cranberry juice and hot coffee, regular or decaf, or hot chocolate.The car attendant frequency collects your trash and keeps you advised of delays, etc. You may also have pillows if you request them.There is much more leg room than coach, and there are foot rests ,it's a pleasure. Another bonus is you are right next to the cafe' car.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by IRTRedbirdR33* on Tue Jun 25 11:25:26 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 25 10:13:38 2019.* Thanks you. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Pragmatist* on Tue Jun 25 12:12:56 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 25 10:13:38 2019.* I'm not uncomfortable in the refreshed AM-1 coaches for a trip from NYP to WAS or NYP to SYR, which are my most common trips. What a BC or AM-2 has that is often overlooked -curtains, certain times during the day they are really handy.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Jun 25 14:42:11 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Jun 25 12:12:56 2019.* I have problems bending my knees , so in standard coach, they are cramped.The business class lets me stretch out and keep loose! It's not fun , being old, (I'm 77).
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Tue Jun 25 14:45:23 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 25 14:42:11 2019.* ah, but we were around when passenger trains were actually pleasant,and mostly on time. (I'll be 75 in a month) How many millenials have ever sat in the obs-loiunge sipping a drink as the tracks whoshed away at 79 or so.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Pragmatist* on Tue Jun 25 14:55:22 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jun 25 14:42:11 2019.* You would really like the split BC/Cafe cars we see on Empire Service. On the NEC, I think they only run on the overnight and the Vermonter...
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by TransitChuckG* on Tue Jun 25 15:11:23 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Jun 25 14:55:22 2019.* Thanks!
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jun 25 16:23:35 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 25 14:45:23 2019.* How many millenials have ever sat in the obs-loiunge sipping a drink as the tracks whoshed away at 79 or so. raises hand Assuming coffee or summat counts as a "drink" since I don't actually drink.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jun 25 16:25:28 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Pragmatist on Tue Jun 25 14:55:22 2019.* I don't know, I'm not entirely a fan of the split BC/Cafe. It makes business class feel cramped and hectic. It also means less table space in the cafe car.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jun 25 16:29:48 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by AlM on Tue Jun 25 06:10:37 2019.* Not at all. There is a massive gulf between being so poor that you literally can't afford Acela first class and being so rich that the opportunity cost of buying that ticket is effectively zero.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Tue Jun 25 17:08:41 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 25 16:23:35 2019.* oh certainly. My early experiences of this were ginger ale at age 11 on the B(est) & O(nly). In the early 50s the all coach Columbian between DC and Chicago had a round end obs bar lounge and a dome coach as well as an excellent diner. I am looking at a trip from Chicago in Sept which is scheduled into LA at 5:35 AM. In a more rider oriented era sleeping car pax would be allowed to remainon board until a more civil hour--not Amtrak today.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jun 25 20:13:41 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 25 17:08:41 2019.* oh certainly. My early experiences of this were ginger ale at age 11 on the B(est) & O(nly). In the early 50s the all coach Columbian between DC and Chicago had a round end obs bar lounge and a dome coach as well as an excellent diner. Alas, I'm nowhere near old enough to have ridden them— in the early 1950s, my parents hadn't been born yet, let alone me. But round end dome cars still run on the Canadian and I'm sure they manage to get up to 79 at some point. Of course, if you want to ride them today you'll need to shell out $8,000 or ride during off-peak season (or accept "scheduled access" to them during the appointed hours only). I can't speak to the diner— it was excellent in 2008, but had degraded to decent by 2012. I am looking at a trip from Chicago in Sept which is scheduled into LA at 5:35 AM. In a more rider oriented era sleeping car pax would be allowed to remainon board until a more civil hour--not Amtrak today. If you're talking about the Texas Eagle/Sunset Limited, then apparently a more rider oriented era was 2014, when sleeper passengers arriving in Los Angeles at 5:35 were "welcome to occupy their accommodations until 6:30 a.m." though that notation seems to have been scrubbed from the schedule by early 2015.
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Tue Jun 25 21:35:57 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 25 20:13:41 2019.* yeah, not much of a concession. the interesting question is when does the Metropolitan Lounge open. Last time I was there there were couches...The idea is to have breakfast and rendezvous w/ a friend tovisit the Bradbury Building before heading out to perhaps chase down parts of the California Aqueduct. We are both interested in water issues. Completely OT but a reccomendation for a new book by Mark Arax. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/12/books/review/the-dreamt-land-mark-arax.html
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by italianstallion* on Wed Jun 26 16:36:47 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jun 25 17:08:41 2019.* Don't worry, the train won't arrive till 8:30. :-)
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Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Wed Jun 26 20:45:46 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jun 26 16:36:47 2019.* Well, that would actually be nice. So I will look at the actual times over the next couple of months. I have committed, This whole adventure is centered on going to the Hoosier Traction Meet in Indianapolis--two days of interurban, streetcar, electric commuter porn.
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Re: Auto Train Answer and Acela/NEC Followup
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jul 9 18:18:40 2019, in response to Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions, posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 23 20:42:30 2019.* OK, so here's a quick followup in case anybody with similar questions comes across this thread. 1. On my Auto Train, there was absolutely no segregation between coach and sleeper sections. In particular, they had decided not to staff the lounge car in the coach section and so coach passengers were expressly invited into the sleeper section's lounge car, through several sleepers. However, this seems to be based on the ridership for any given train; being the off-season for Florida, there were relatively few passengers, and so no need for two staffed lounge cars but things may be different in, say, December. Also, both lounge cars were diner conversions; there were no sightseer lounge cars present. The coach lounge was being used as a diner-extension with the booth seating end facing the adjacent diner and set up with place settings. Both lounge and diner cars had red seat covers instead of the traditional blue. 2. I ultimately decided not to book Acela first class so I can't comment on whether it was worth it. 3. It turns out that you can get the Acela first class menu for any given (imminent) trip simply by calling Amtrak. That they weren't serving anything I eat was the final straw that convinced me not to book it (after reading several comments about it here and elsewhere). Incidentally, I inquired about ordering a kosher or vegan meal given my dislike for the standard menu; unfortunately, the guy on the phone couldn't tell me exactly what the kosher meal was, and the vegan meal had to be booked a week in advance and I hadn't given myself enough leeway. Incidentally, not booking first class worked in my favour, as I arrived at Union Station earlier than I expected to and was able to seamlessly rebook for an earlier train set to depart within the next ten minutes.
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Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jul 9 18:27:21 2019, in response to Why Do I Need A Paper Ticket? (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 24 21:14:44 2019.* Apparently, the reason I needed a paper ticket was due to an accident of Amtrak's reservation system and the way they put two people on separate reservations in the same roomette. Since the roomette wasn't on "my" reservation (despite me paying for it), the system wouldn't accept that I was travelling in it. Accordingly, they were forced to enter my ticket as a "manual fare adjustment" which in turn required a paper ticket. It didn't list my room number because it was a manual entry that the system didn't officially recognise as being attached to that room (not that this stopped me from getting checked in; I just needed to show them my ticket at the gate as we drove up). Also, the "fare plan" appears to be a quasi-random string of four alphanumeric characters of no obvious meaning— except that the stub of an old Shore Line East ticket printed by Amtrak's printers onto Amtrak's ticket stock lists "fare plan: SLOW" which sounds like it might be a dig at something.
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by R30A* on Tue Jul 9 18:52:29 2019, in response to Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 9 18:27:21 2019.* Fare plan has a meaning. What is the code you have?
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Nilet* on Tue Jul 9 19:54:11 2019, in response to Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by R30A on Tue Jul 9 18:52:29 2019.* For this ticket? "GOAT."
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Wed Jul 10 04:07:19 2019, in response to Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 9 19:54:11 2019. Greatest Of All Time!
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Re: Auto Train Answer and Acela/NEC Followup
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Wed Jul 10 04:10:10 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Answer and Acela/NEC Followup, posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 9 18:18:40 2019.* Thanks for the followup. Was the app the source of your seamless rebooking or did you work with a person?
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 10 07:43:38 2019, in response to Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by Nilet on Tue Jul 9 18:27:21 2019. The effiency of modern computers.
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Jul 10 15:58:29 2019, in response to Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jul 10 07:43:38 2019. Technology is wonderful when it works, as they said at Chernobyl. Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA
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Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions)
Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 11 02:18:05 2019, in response to Re: Why I Needed A Paper Ticket (Re: Auto Train Question and Acela/NEC Questions), posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Wed Jul 10 04:07:19 2019. :D
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Re: Auto Train Answer and Acela/NEC Followup
Posted by Nilet* on Thu Jul 11 02:25:26 2019, in response to Re: Auto Train Answer and Acela/NEC Followup, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jul 10 04:10:10 2019.* I walked right up to the ticket counter - which had no line - and the ticket agent changed the booking and handed me a new ticket within 45 seconds. Strictly speaking, there was a (short) line, but the ticket counter had a dedicated "Acela only" window for which there was no line.
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