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China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019


“The Chinese rail company CRRC is establishing itself in America."


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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri May 17 07:17:09 2019, in response to China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019.

Too late! Bombardier got here first. (cymbal crash)

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 17 08:52:47 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Fri May 17 07:17:09 2019.

will Breda under Hitachi become functional again?

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jace on Fri May 17 08:52:47 2019, in response to China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019.

Garamendi represents the third district in California which includes areas north and west of Sacramento. The US manufacturing plant and headquarters for Siemens rolling stock is in Sacramento.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by randyo on Fri May 17 16:19:06 2019, in response to China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019.

While on this topic, will the new tariffs on Chinese goods impact the deliveries of the cars currently on order for places like Boston?

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 16:40:02 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Fri May 17 16:19:06 2019.

No.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 17 23:32:23 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 17 16:40:02 2019.

Good news for LACMTA, they have some on order for the Purple Line extensions.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Edwards! on Sat May 18 10:15:03 2019, in response to China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019.

I BELIEVE the title header is somewhat sensationalized.

Sure,this company could potentially play the super under bidding cost overrun type...but that's no different than what the builder of the 179 did,or what Pullman Standard did with the R46.

However,because the Chinese government owns this company and its affiliates,this is a situation that needs scrutiny.

It's a shame that there are no more wholly owned AMERICAN railcar builders.


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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 18 10:30:17 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri May 17 23:32:23 2019.

well ..........

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat May 18 10:48:49 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 18 10:15:03 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Dave on Sun May 19 03:11:34 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 18 10:15:03 2019.

It's a shame that there are no more wholly owned AMERICAN railcar builders.

There is but they don't manufacture passenger cars - ACF Industries, LLC.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by orange blossom special on Sun May 19 03:57:49 2019, in response to China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Fri May 17 07:09:35 2019.

Since China is as great as the lamestream media keeps convincing us on a daily basis for so many years to the point where JayzeeBMT freaked out that hte cost of a can of Natty Ice will go up, why do we even bother?
let's give up.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Edwards! on Sun May 19 11:14:20 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Dave on Sun May 19 03:11:34 2019.

Wow.
Only TOFC cars

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by randyo on Sun May 19 13:03:33 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Edwards! on Sat May 18 10:15:03 2019.

With the Trump 25% tariff on Chinese goods, the Chinese railcar manufacturers may not be able to sufficiently undercut other companies to be able to corner the market.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 13:14:45 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Sun May 19 13:03:33 2019.

Once the Wall Streeters see how damaging the tariffs are to THEIR intyerests, Cadet Bone Spurs will be history.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 13:27:01 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 13:14:45 2019.

Since almost everything you buy in Walmart and Home Depot is from China, this will affect flyover country (Red state) too. especially once the tariffs spread to more goods.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 16:09:48 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 13:27:01 2019.

I have never spent a dime at Walmart. As to home despot I consider doug fir from Canada to be "friendly" spending,and Roseburg plywood comes from Oregon. You are correct about some brands of electrical hardware--I tend to buy assembled in Mexico over made in China. The copper wire is manufactured in USA but the copper itself is sourced wherever is cheaper on the spot markets.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 16:48:20 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 16:09:48 2019.

The NYCT R179 cars that have collision post welding issues had that part fabricated in Mexico.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 17:23:38 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Joe V on Sun May 19 16:48:20 2019.

Understood. My experience w/ GFI receptacles from Asis (China, Korea, Malaysia) has been much worse thanw Mexican product. (Most of them come in w/US brand names and the tiniest type allowed indicating country of origin). OTOH, circuit breakers from GE Singapore seem to have stood up as well as US product--often mixed in a quantity carton.

The era when the manufacturers actually did strict QA seem to be over--the customer becomes the QA inspector--what a drag.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 17:58:09 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 13:14:45 2019.

Wall St despised Trump. They gave those $100K+ speaking fees for speeches your and me are not allowed to read transcripts of never mind hear, to the other candidate of '16.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 19 18:36:21 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 17:58:09 2019.

LOL!

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 19:16:08 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun May 19 18:36:21 2019.

That's probably what Herself thought as she deposited the checks.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 19:22:25 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 17:58:09 2019.

I like a politician who stays bought.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 02:18:21 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 17:23:38 2019.

I bought a 4 outlet 12v DC receptacle for my car last November. One of the 4 was intended for a cigarette lighter. I never used that one just the other 3 ports for dash cam and GPS.

Last week, it blew a 5amp fuse, and I smelled something burning, with a sizzle sound. I took it out and took it apart. The cigarette port was corroded with the ceramic insulation rotted through. It had shorted out. I had bought it at Amazon cheap, made in China of course. I just bought another at the local parts retailer, much better quality, no port intended for cigarette lighter.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jace on Mon May 20 04:46:25 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Sun May 19 13:03:33 2019.

The CRRC cars are made in the US according to Buy America. No tariffs apply. The FTA is looking at other ways of keeping new competition out of the market including outright bans in the use of federal funds for cars built by companies like CRRC, hence Garamendi's (and Schumer's) comments. Protectionism wrapped in xenophobia, a winning combination for both parties.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:52:38 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jace on Mon May 20 04:46:25 2019.

i was thinking the same thing namely “Buy America” meaning products manufactured by genuine US companies and not puppet factories owned and/or controlled by foreign interests.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon May 20 21:09:32 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Mon May 20 15:52:38 2019.

i was thinking the same thing namely “Buy America” meaning products manufactured by genuine US companies

Except nobody in the US wants to be involved in the industry. Your only client is the government, and you're subject to the whims of their funding streams. Notice that the defense contractors tried and ran away, and GE doesn't want to touch transit despite having some experience with freight ans passenger locos and electrical engineering. At this point, we should scrap buy America and simply buy the best rolling stock regardless of where it's made.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Q4 on Tue May 21 03:49:39 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun May 19 17:23:38 2019.

Totally agree on QA Jackson Park B Train

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 21 05:09:39 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Joe V on Mon May 20 02:18:21 2019.

Walmart sells cheap junk. I worked in Lawn and Garden , and saw about three out of 6 lawnmowers come back for stalling or breaking down (engine failure)......

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by randyo on Tue May 21 13:10:55 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon May 20 21:09:32 2019.

There should be some way a true “buy America” can be enforced.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 14:12:16 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Tue May 21 13:10:55 2019.

I disagree. "Buy American" requirements cost taxpayers money and are classic rent-seeking. It's nothing more than "corporate welfare," but from the transportation capital budget.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Brightonr68 on Tue May 21 16:26:13 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 17:58:09 2019.

Because like him or not he is putting the average working man first when negotiating with china, mexico etc. What is good for the stock market is not necessarily good for the worker. Letting th and Ford import more parts and completed cars from China and Mexico is great for the stock market


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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 17:23:07 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Brightonr68 on Tue May 21 16:26:13 2019.

LOL! You are such a tool.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 21 18:42:52 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Brightonr68 on Tue May 21 16:26:13 2019.

Ugh.
You believe that?
Then you are as much a tool as the other trumpanizes.


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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 21 19:33:40 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 21 14:12:16 2019.

There's a practical reason for "Buy American" - the idea is to keep manufacturing plants, associated supply lines, and a capable workforce at hand in case we have a war. Loosen the grip too much and we could be caught unprepared.

One of the reasons we were able to win WWII was the ability to repurpose civilian infrastructure to rapidly produce ships, tanks, etc all throughout the war. Could we do that today with our current infrastructure and resources if we were unexpectedly blockaded from the Eastern Hemisphere?

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue May 21 20:49:38 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Tue May 21 13:10:55 2019.

There should be some way a true “buy America” can be enforced.

But American investors are unwilling to make the capital investments needed to make globally competitive rolling stock. How do you enforce "true Buy America" regulations when nobody based in the US is willing to make the attempt?

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue May 21 21:58:18 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Brightonr68 on Tue May 21 16:26:13 2019.

He cares nothing about working folks. He couldn't care less.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 03:13:52 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue May 21 19:33:40 2019.

The US has a much bigger defense industry than it did back then, there’s less need to repurpose anything.

And again, why should transportation agencies subsidize supposed military preparedness? This makes transit investments unnecessarily expensive and is why we can’t have nice things.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 03:14:24 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue May 21 20:49:38 2019.

That’s not how the market works.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 03:18:58 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 03:13:52 2019.

The Army is already complaining that Congress is forcing them to buy too many tanks that they don’t need. What exactly would have to be repurposed to build even more tanks?

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 22 04:16:18 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 03:13:52 2019.

It's my understanding that the Buy America requirement comes from things involving Federal funds. Defense ia a core requirement of the Federal government, so this string can be justified. Things built without Federal funds do not have a buy America requirement unless the state put something in like "must be built in PA".

And of course my attitude about strings attached to Federal funding is that the Federal Government shouldn't be taking so much taxpayer money that the states have to dance to get it back...

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 22 08:52:43 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by randyo on Tue May 21 13:10:55 2019.

that would entail an american entity willing to invest the overhead to either license a design or develop a new one. few US manufacturing cos (not counting those whoi repackage Asian buil items) have the money and fewerthe interest. Remember that StL essentially folded after losing MTA bids, Budd and P-S died as well for lack of orders. The US simply is not a reliable enough market to support a domestic based lrv/subway car builder not part of a vastly larger entity.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 22 09:03:13 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Sun May 19 17:58:09 2019.

and they were overjoyed at the tax cut for the rich passed by their GOP "employees". most of the corporations bought back shares rather than actually increasing investments in ongoing operations. as for Hillary "Humphreey" (think a loser nominee favored by the Dem bosses/machine pols) I have despised her for years--she rn Billy boy's healthcare commission which only accomplished stiffening the resistance of the health insurance/AMA crooks.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 22 09:05:30 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon May 20 21:09:32 2019.

GE built a few contracts for the MTA,such as some LIRR/former PC carsm

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 22 09:19:34 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed May 22 04:16:18 2019.

I can see the justification for such a requirement if federal funds are involved.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Steamdriven on Wed May 22 17:38:47 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 22 09:03:13 2019.

But you own stock, so those buybacks brought you capital gains. Thus, your are a .. ... .....

Kapitalist Class Oppressor of da werkerzz!!!


;-)


never take politics too seriously, the stuff rots yr soul

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 22 18:31:04 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Wed May 22 17:38:47 2019.

FYI I participated in zero buybacks. I did sell off a few shares of CSX after the "Harrison bounce" so I suppose you could call me a capitalist. I ignored the offer of buybacks from another RRwhere the stock trades in a very narrow range but pays good dividends.

Back to te oars.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Edwards! on Thu May 23 12:08:34 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Wed May 22 17:38:47 2019.

Yeah.
But the fellas and ladies that do take it seriously are the SAME people who are visibly making life insane for Everyone.

Too many crazy folks running the show.

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Steamdriven on Thu May 23 15:13:06 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Edwards! on Thu May 23 12:08:34 2019.

.... the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed ...
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Thought Error!! '50s air raid sounds That was written by a Dead White Male. He was not actually European (English), might not have been cis-het-patriarchical, but he's guilty enough that we must not read, quote, or understand his words. Now where's my Thought Eraser?

ahhh, gotta go, txt on my phone just now says I'm due on the train to Re-Education Culture Camp. They said to bring any gold jewelry I have only 1 change of clothes. Must be a really great camp, free food and new clothes!

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Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 23 20:25:37 2019, in response to Re: China can 'very easily wipe out' US railroad system, Rep. Garamendi warns, posted by Steamdriven on Thu May 23 15:13:06 2019.

nice. are they going to teach you Uyghur?

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