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Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019 Tuscarora Dispatch No. 25Rollsign Readings for the R-32 A, R-32 and R-38 Car Classes These are the rollsigns reading for the R-32 A (3350-3649), R-32 (3650-3949) and R-38 (3950-4149) car classes as they were delivered. Side route sign outside reading: A – 8th Ave Express AA – 8th Ave Local BB – 6th Ave Local C – 8th Ave Express CC – 8th Ave Local D – 6th Ave Express DD – 6th Ave Local E – 8th Ave Express F – 6th Ave Express GG – Bklyn-Queens Local HH – Rockaway Local S – Special SS – Shuttle J – Nassau St Express JJ – Nassau St Local KK – Nassau St Local L – 14th Street Express LL – 14th St Line M – Nassau St Express N – Broadway Express QT – Broadway Local via Tunnel QB – Broadway Local via Bridge Q – Broadway Express RR – Broadway Local T – Broadway Express TT – West End Local The inside reading were the same except for GG – Bklyn-Queens QT – Local via Tunnel QB – Local via Bridge North destination readings: No Passengers Special Aqueduct Race Tr Euclid Ave 205th Concourse Bedford Pk Blvd 207 St – Wash Hts 168 St – Wash Hts 179th St – Jamaica Continental Av Astoria Queens Plaza 57th St City Hall Essex St Chambers St Franklin Av 36th Street Myrtle Av Rock’way Pky Metrop’n Av Eastern Pky Crescent St Jamaica-168 St South destination readings: Smith-9th St Rockaway Pk Far Rockaway Lefferts Blvd Euclid Ave Hudson Terminal Church Ave Houston St-2nd Av B’way-Lafayette 34th St-6th Av Rock’way Pky Jamaica-168 St Metrop’n Av Eastern Pky Crescent St Whitehall St Prospect Pk Coney Island Brighton Beach Kings Highway Bay Parkway 62nd Street 9th Avenue 95th St-4th Ave Broad St Chambers St Canal St Eighth Ave Notes: There were some differences between the R-32 rollsigns and those of the R-27’s. A reading for the “”DD” returned to subway cars for the first time since the R-9 order of 1940. This may have been due to the fact that the “DD” was activated for a brief time in December 1962. Also for the first time since 1940 the “HH” reappears. This time the reading is not “Fulton Street Local” but Rockaway Local. The Rockaway Shuttles were designated “HH” on February 1, 1962. The reading for the BMT Southern Division route eliminated the BMT route names, i.e. Brighton, Sea Beach etc. This caused so much confusion that the TA had to post large metal signs informing passengers which line was which. Note that no provision was made for the new routes even though Chrystie Street was on the horizon. This information comes from the February 1968 issue of the ERA New York Division Bulletin. Credit is due to the members who took the time to scroll through all these rollsigns. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Dan on Tue May 14 09:15:11 2019, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019. When was the last time any service terminated at Crescent St? |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 09:55:08 2019, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019. Interesting that they had Rockaway Pkwy as a north terminal and 8th Av as a south terminal. Wonder what that was about. Didn't really matter, AFAIK, the R-32s and R-38s never operated on the LL/L, at least not in regular service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:56:09 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Dan on Tue May 14 09:15:11 2019. When was the last time any service terminated at Crescent St? Dan: I would have to say Friday, June 28, 1968 This was the last day of operation for the "JJ" Nassau St-Bway Bklyn Local. I do not believe that Crescent Street was used as a terminal after that except for service diversions. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:57:23 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 09:55:08 2019. Several of the destination readings appear on both the north and south rollsigns. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Dan on Tue May 14 10:39:57 2019, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019. Looks like the shortest actually possible run was:N: Chambers Street S: Broad Street |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 13:50:54 2019, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019. They knew in 1964 and 1966 there would be a Essex Street connection in a few years to Christie, yet no "KK (or MM) 6th Avenue Local" |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 14:03:17 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 13:50:54 2019. They knew in 1964 and 1966 there would be a Essex Street connection in a few years to Christie, yet no "KK (or MM) 6th Avenue Local" Joe: You hit the nail on the head. They had ten years to plan for Chrystie Street and they still didn't know what they were doing three weeks after it happened. It was holding a life-boat drill on the Titanic an hour after they struck the iceberg. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:52:43 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 14:03:17 2019. They were digging the fucking tunnels in the late 1950's.In 1966, the plan was to kill the RR, send the "15" as the J or RJ, and I believe (not 100% sure) kill the AA/CC and send the KK/MM up there. So what happens: they stick cardboard "RR" and "95th Street" on R16's route and south signs. Then we get not only RJ, but QJ to replace QT, EE, and NX in addition, and couldn't make up their minds about B vs. BB, even though the former had no route signage either. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 14 15:04:02 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 09:55:08 2019. I think you are correct about the R-32s & R-38s never going to Canarsie. Never heard of them running there nor seen any pics of that equiptment on that line. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 15:14:24 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 09:55:08 2019. After Christie, an R32 could pop up on a QJ. When the R16's returned and were falling apart in 1976, the R32's got on the LL.Rocakaway Pkwy as a north terminal makes perfect sense. A train could run there from the Nassau Street line as the south terminal. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 14 16:05:40 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:57:23 2019. Chambers St. comes to mind. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 14 16:06:27 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 14:03:17 2019. I told them they shouldn't have hired the Three Stooges.:) |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 14 16:07:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 14 15:04:02 2019. I did operate an R32 on the Canarsie Line. This was when CI maintenance barn was being rebuilt and the CI inspections were dispersed throughout the B Division. ENY was doing the inspections on the R32's so they did pop up on the Canarsie Line. I would imagine on the J line too, but I don't remember. This would be in the early '80's. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 14 17:09:20 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 14 15:04:02 2019. 32s did,during the R30 GOH program.The 38s never ran on the J or L,but did run on the M line a few times to make service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 14 17:37:53 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 14 17:09:20 2019. Ok Thanks. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 17:55:48 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue May 14 16:05:40 2019. That makes sense, as it was a north and south terminal. (I know the R-32s on the AA used "Chambers St" instead of "Hudson Terminal"). Strangely, the later R-40s did use Hudson Terminal. It became academic in the 80s as the revised roll signs used "World Trade Center". |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 17:59:23 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:52:43 2019. If my grandfather had lived (died in 1965), wonder if he would have worked the QJ. He actually started in the SOuthern Division, then later transferred to the Eastern (his last assignment was the 15). Might have been like coming home for him (he enjoyed eating at Natahan's also). OTOH, QJ was a looooonnng-ass run, and he would have been close to 60 by then, maybe he would have wanted something shorter. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 18:01:38 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 15:14:24 2019. Rockaway Pkwy as a north terminal makes perfect sense. A train could run there from the Nassau Street line as the south terminal.That makes sense. But 8th Av as a south terminal makes no sense. Were they going to run a service from 168th St to 8 Av? (not sure if there was even a track connection for that). |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 15 09:23:27 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 17:55:48 2019. Sometimes Hudson Terminal was displayed on the R-32s. Whether H/T or Chambers was displayed, depended on how far the plat C/Rs at 168 St felt like turning the roll sign on a B returning from Coney Is when going into AA service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 15 09:24:12 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue May 14 16:07:11 2019. I operated an R-32 on the QJ in 1969. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 15 09:26:55 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 14 18:01:38 2019. Although pre Chrystie, all the outer terminals on the BMT Eastern were south terminals, for some reason, the TA placed them in the upper box. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed May 15 13:02:32 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 14 15:04:02 2019. Which brings to mind Why none of the 38s were used in regular service along any Eastern division routes.Its the same with the R40s or M. The 40/40a/40m didn't see regular service until the GOH cars replaced the 16/30s. The 42s and modified 40s All operated along J/Z/M routes...but the L received R40s/42s,which basically stayed there until the 143s forced out ALL the R40 cars regardless of subset,to the southern division lines. The 38s bounced all over the place,but Never the East unless there was a situation where a set or two was needed to cover service on the M. After GOH...the 38s became strictly IND cars again..ruling the A line until some trickled over to the C...kicking the 27/30s out,sharing the 40s and 32s. Car assignments are strange. Somethings are a constant,like knowing the 75ft cars will NEVER run IN SERVICE over Any Eastern division route...along with the 5 car sets of NTT cars. Basically the east has been placed in its own subdivision with ridiculous service constrains that should have been corrected years ago..not further complicated. In any case...thats my take. The 32 and 42 keep chugging along at 55 and 50 Years in service...waiting for replacements. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Dan on Wed May 15 13:37:59 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 15 13:02:32 2019. Some R40M/R42s were assigned to the KK/K train. Here's one - with graffiti of course:https://s3.amazonaws.com/nycsubway.org/images/i5000/img_5638.jpg |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 15 15:29:49 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 15 13:02:32 2019. So, if one were intelligent, car assignments should relate to maintenance bases. Smaller quantities of specific spare parts at a single barn, workers more experienced w/ the quirks of the cars. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed May 15 15:41:41 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Edwards! on Wed May 15 13:02:32 2019. I operated R38's on the M while I was a conductor in 1980, both 4 and 8 car trains.After I made motorman, I operated 8 car R38's before GOH on the on the Brighton M. They also occasionally ran on the QB. Both events happened very rarely, but they did happen. Keep in mind any car from CIYD could operate on any line because it was so difficult to make service. And speaking of odd assignments, once the M moved to the West End, I did operate a train of GOH'ed slants a few times. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 15 15:57:43 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 09:24:12 2019. Was it signed as a J? |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 15 15:59:00 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 09:23:27 2019. I remember seeing AA trains sporting both Chambers St. and Hudson Term'l side signs in the same consist. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed May 15 20:24:54 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 14:03:17 2019. re: holding a life-boat drill on the Titanic an hour after they struck the iceberg.Your comment, is a more than appropriate ironic comparison. NYT, November '67 reported daily chaos after Chrystie. At NY Div. meetings I remember hearing stories about unusual equipment showing up where it was not expected to operate, destination signs not matching a train's actual route, and of course the cardbord signs with terminals or destinations written in magic marker. I took a photo at Marcy Ave. June or July '68, of the front of an inbound R9, with "JJ" printed on a white background, and the route name/terminal box next to it, completely blank. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed May 15 20:50:54 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Express Rider on Wed May 15 20:24:54 2019. yes, the TA displayed massive incompetence implementing the changes. I saw a NB B at DeKalb w/ the headsign trying to show 168 but hide Jamaica.Local papers in Bay Ridge rumored hope that the reroutes would be abandoned. In retrospect, the TA needed more midtown throughput but failed to educate/persuade riders how close 6th Ave is to B'way. As to the KK--the Williamsburg to the jewelry district market was shrinking as people moved. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:21:54 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed May 15 15:57:43 2019. At that time the route was QJ and that was what was displayed. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:46:38 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Express Rider on Wed May 15 20:24:54 2019. When Chrystie first opened, the R-9s assigned to the Eastern had already been equipped with KK/6 Ave (actually Ave of Americas) Lcl signs. Since the intiail JJ service was only temporary, the TA used the white stck on signs until 57/6 opened when the JJ was replaced by the KK. Actually there was a bit of a mishmash of service since when the Jamaica Line did not go to the Brighton Line, the service was also called JJ. After 57/6 opened and the KK 6 Av service established, all the Jamaica Line service was called QJ even when it didn’t operate over the Brighton which was nights and weekends. In preparation for the soon to be delivered R-40s which lack an end destination sign, the TA opted to have the new signs on the R-9s display only the letter and the end destination signs set blank. The original IND signs were still left on the roller and whenever I worked the 4 St Line I would set the end destination sign on the Canarsie end of my trains to read “Rockaway Park” which was ac close to “Rockaway Parkway” as I could get. On the R-32s, 38s and a few R-27/30s, the TA took a different approach placing the new route signs in the former destination sign box and setting the former route signs blank or in some cases actually painting the sign glass black. The TR-16s eventually got the same sign tratment as the R-32s but with the addition of the proper side signs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed May 15 22:11:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:46:38 2019. re: Since the intial JJ service was only temporary, the TA used the white stck on signs until 57/6 opened ... JJ was replaced by the KK.Thank you for clarifying the context of that front sign I saw at Marcy in 1968. And thank you as always for the detailed information you wrote about in this post! |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 02:55:53 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:21:54 2019. I rode an R32 on the QJ in September 1969. The head route sign was blank. I don't remember what the side signs had. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 16 03:01:27 2019, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue May 14 09:12:04 2019. Thank you, as always. In 1976 or '77 (age 8 or 9), I saw an R32 signed up as a BB (side roll sign). I didn't understand how that could be, as the maps showed no such route. Now, I realize the car just didn't have B signs. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 16 04:34:49 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 16 03:01:27 2019. Most of the R-32s had a "B" superimposed over the "BB". It involved a white patch with a "B" in black. Looked crappy to be blunt. Probably the car you saw hadn't had the patch done (or a replacemtn destination roll was installed which didn't have it. I did see one car with a new roll with lowercase letter "B via 6 Avenue" (this was probably because the B was express on 6th Av in the rush hour (when it went to 168th St) and local all other times (when going to 57/6).In the opening of "Welcome Back Kotter", you see a train of R-32s southbound on the B passing "James Buchanan HS", which in real life was New Utrecht HS (IIRC). If you look closely at the below video, at about 0:13, you can see the route sign with that B patch. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 04:59:46 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 16 04:34:49 2019. These cars look better now at 55 years of age than they did then. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu May 16 07:34:58 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 04:59:46 2019. Graffiti has ended? I hope so, it sure was ugly back in those days. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 09:34:13 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu May 16 07:34:58 2019. The trains were also just grimy and dirty |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 16 10:13:20 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 04:59:46 2019. I wish I could make out the numbers on those cars (the first one appears to be 35XX). I wouldn't be surprised if at least 2 of them (or 1, given that some cars got mismatched) are still active, 44 years after that was filmed! (And they were 10-11 years old at the time)R-32s, a national treasure :) |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:12:59 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 02:55:53 2019. On thr R-32s, the former route signs were set blank and the new route signs were installed in the former destination sign box. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:15:16 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Express Rider on Wed May 15 22:11:11 2019. You’re quite welcome. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 12:17:25 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:12:59 2019. It said "Brighton Beach" |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:24:36 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by Joe V on Thu May 16 04:59:46 2019. When the R-32s were relatively new, graffiti free, and washed regularly, they looked pretty good and actually operated better pre GOH then they do now. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 16 15:31:33 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:21:54 2019. OK, so that must have been the new multicolored route curtain installed in the front destination slot. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 16 15:34:20 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Wed May 15 21:46:38 2019. The only JJ I ever saw and rode on was an R-27/30 consist on March 24 or 31, 1968 from Elderts Lane to 168th St. and back. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu May 16 15:37:19 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 16 04:34:49 2019. I remember those pasted-on Bs very well. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu May 16 16:52:09 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:24:36 2019. They definitely looked better with the original blue doors and end roll signs and marker lights than today with just the flip dot on the end. They accelerated much better than the R27/30 due to less weight and also did not have A/C before GOH. I remember them pre-Chrystie running on the N,Q, and T express runs and they looked good. |
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Posted by gbs on Thu May 16 17:14:37 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by randyo on Thu May 16 12:12:59 2019. That was the first step in their uglification:        
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu May 16 17:36:18 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No 25 / R-32 and R-38 Rollsigns, posted by murray1575 on Thu May 16 16:52:09 2019. Blue doors, real headsigns,, YES!!! The single best order of subway cars produced in the US IMHO. They and the recently GOHed PATCO cars willperoably make 60 before fully replaced. |
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