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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 16:38:57 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:11:48 2016. 
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 16:51:01 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:54:05 2016. I think diesels have lower speed codes. 50 and 60 instead of 60 and 70. |
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[PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:56:52 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 16:38:57 2016.          
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 16:59:20 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:09:09 2016. It would not suprise me if he gets spanked by his bosses for talking to the media. In my 38 yrs with Metro-North, many were spent in customer service in GCT. We were given strict orders,whenever there was an "incident" & someone sticks a mike in your face, you are to tell them to talk to the MN press office for any information then walk away.This order was backed up with threats of discipline. Over the years, a few of colleagues got short term unpaid vacations for such violations. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 29 17:45:44 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:35:20 2016. Journalists are the dumbest people on the planet. Journalism schools should be banned.ROAR |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 17:46:55 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 16:59:20 2016. Live abc .com coverageShe is saying wait until the NTSB does its job. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Sep 29 17:52:16 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 29 17:45:44 2016. IAWTP!chud1. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 18:04:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:59:04 2016. so did FRA email and facebook post |
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 18:20:05 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 16:51:01 2016. I had thought the 7 were:5, 10, 15, 30, 40, 60, 80 (40 and 60 were once 45 and 65). |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 18:20:48 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 16:59:20 2016. Yup. Expect a bulletin at the very least to be published tonite for distribution to the attention of all employees. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 18:22:01 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Sep 29 17:45:44 2016. "Conductor" and "engineer" are 4th grade vocabulary words. I don't understand this misuse of terms. |
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Re: 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 18:22:54 2016, in response to Re: 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET., posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:13:04 2016. So he can check to see see who reads what he writes! |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 18:30:23 2016, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:56:52 2016. I wonder how many cars are going to be a write-off. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 18:41:04 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 18:30:23 2016. The structure took the worst of it. If anything, only the cab.Do we know what type of locomotive was involved here yet? |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 18:46:39 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:39:59 2016. I was driving on the Thruway this evening and got to see a handful of the MNCR shuttle buses originating from Tarrytown serving the PVL and lower Port Jervis line stations (Suffern-Salisbury Mills). First off, it was really odd seeing city buses in Rockland County. Secondly, all 4 I saw had no more than maybe 5 passengers. Maybe it was early, but it seems many didn't get the news about the contingency plans for today. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Joe on Thu Sep 29 18:53:04 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 18:41:04 2016. Chris,The locomotive is possibly undamaged, so somebody should be able to report its number. The NTSB spokesperson said at one point that the recorder was being removed, but later (on 5 p.m. tv) she said the outward-looking camera would hold the data! To me, the big question is whether the locomotive was shoving or idling for the last quarter-mile into the terminal. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Thu Sep 29 19:05:15 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:30:01 2016. Who gives a shit? The train crashed, therefore the system failed. Nobody ever says Three Mile Island #2 did its job, it had a fucking meltdown. That's not supposed to happen.The best way to avoid this stuff is to not crash. It's pretty freaking easy, look at how the various JRs have done over the decades. A train crash in Japan is pretty much an international event, because they don't happen very often. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Thu Sep 29 19:13:03 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016. I know. It's frustrating that news people aren't experts on every detail on every subject. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 29 19:16:33 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by nasadowsk on Thu Sep 29 19:05:15 2016. A crash like this (i.e. overspeed) happens about as frequently as either Shigaraki or Amagasaki. So what are you trying to say? |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 20:29:04 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by nasadowsk on Thu Sep 29 19:13:03 2016. No one expects them to be. But what you see here is a fairly harmless manifestation of the kind of journalistic laziness that permeates the field. Remember that the next time you watch a news story on the presidential election, or a foreign war. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Sep 29 20:50:01 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 20:29:04 2016. It's not so much laziness as it is that a reporter is a story teller who writes up what other people tell them and then try to balance differing views according to what their editor tells them they want. Emphasis on story-telling and being able to pull it together in a proper word count.Reporters depend on sources they know for "facts" if they're not sure or quote what someone tells them is a "fact." Today, your story might be about a train wreck, tomorrow it'll be who won the lottery. Can't invest that much time in details given that "specialist" reporters who work a particular beat can't be afforded by media these days. Many hats to wear, no need for them to fit. Blame shrinking circulation and pay for that. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 21:20:45 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:30:01 2016. Agreed. Also the first car is almost certainly one of the more crowded ones due to proximity to the Hoboken exits; despite this no one *on* the train was killed which is arguably the most important job of the railcar. If anyone was on the fence about FRA crashworthiness specs, this (and the NH line accident a few years ago) should be enough of an argument to not roll them back. If this was a euro-spec car I suspect that while the people in the station would have fared better, those on the train would have fared far worse. And in the station you have a better chance at dodging an impending calamity than you do on the train, so the tradeoff is better the current way. |
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Re: 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 21:23:30 2016, in response to Re: 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 18:22:54 2016. To (usually) more accurately have it right. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 22:08:03 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 13:55:57 2016. Understood, Dutch, but PTC and ATC restrict speed to 15 - restricting - in a terminal, no? He was going way over 15, it says. How come? under ATC he'd get a penalty application for going over 15mph, I thought. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 22:16:08 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 22:08:03 2016. did you see download of recorder ?/ how do you know he was going fast. the cab car went airborne because it went over bumping block.don't go by what people said, go by facts. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 22:19:14 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 22:16:08 2016. Just quoting the Governor of the State... and other eye witnesses. And a bit of physics in which I hold a Ph.D. The station looks like a bomb hit it, Dutch. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by zac on Thu Sep 29 22:58:52 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 29 19:16:33 2016. We've had 3 overspeed crashes in the Northeast in recent memory, Amtrak in Philly, MNRR in the Bronx, and now this. That's just too frequent. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 29 23:21:36 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 22:19:14 2016. The station looks like a bomb hit it, Dutch.The damage seen in the photos in no way required a high rate of speed. If you have a Ph.D. in physics then you should have already known that. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 29 23:24:02 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by zac on Thu Sep 29 22:58:52 2016. We've had 3 overspeed crashes in the Northeast in recent memory, Amtrak in Philly, MNRR in the Bronx, and now this. That's just too frequent.We've likely had thousands of overspeed auto crashes in the same time period, resulting is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR more deaths and injuries. So what is your point? |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 29 23:31:42 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 22:19:14 2016. Did you pencil out the ke of a train at 20mph? Them things is heavy!Keep in mind there was a 275,000 locomotive in back. If the throttle control was somehow jammed in forward rather than idle, that could have been adding up to, mmm, ~85,000 pounds of push through the length of the crash. |
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 23:59:33 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 18:20:05 2016. It's what it says on the cab display. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:01:52 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 18:30:23 2016. I would doubt any. This isn't unibody bullshit with crumble zones. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:07:03 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by nasadowsk on Thu Sep 29 19:05:15 2016. I'll let you know when our workers have the same level of dedication of those in Japan.BTW, you know why we won in the war? Because instead of building aircraft that could avoid being hit, like the Zero, we built them to absorb damage. At some point bad shit happens and I'd rather be in the plane with self-sealing fuel tanks and cockpit armour. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:08:44 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 29 19:16:33 2016. I don't believe this was an overspeed accident. Train probably wasn't going much over 10mph. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 03:20:38 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:01:52 2016. Well that much is obvious. If it were then there more than likely wouldn't have been any fatalities. Sadly the FRA standards have claimed another life. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Sep 30 03:52:24 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 03:20:38 2016. The person who died was on the platform, and was killed by debris flying at her. Everyone on the train survived. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 04:06:58 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Sep 29 21:20:45 2016. Also the first car is almost certainly one of the more crowded ones due to proximity to the Hoboken exits;Except that passengers are not permitted to exit from the front of the car, so they were likely at the rear end of the lead car. " If anyone was on the fence about FRA crashworthiness specs, this [blah blah, heavy good, learning lessons bad!]" Absolutely not. How can you possibly make that argument when we've just seen a train depart the track area resulting in a fatality? Regardless of why the train did not stop, it cannot be debated that the bumping block was inadequate to the task of protecting the structure from the train. The car struck and travelled past past the bumping block before striking the structure. Neither the bumping block or the car were designed to absorb any meaningful amount of crash energy without deforming either the railcar's cabin or the station's structure. There could not be a better illustration of the dangers present even at low speeds with the FRA's insistence on absolute structural rigidity. If this was a euro-spec car I suspect that while the people in the station would have fared better, those on the train would have fared far worse. And in the station you have a better chance at dodging an impending calamity than you do on the train, so the tradeoff is better the current way. You suspect wrongly. At most terminal stations in Europe the bumping blocks are equipped to dissipate energy when they're struck by a train. The displacement may be a matter of a few feet, or something a bit more elaborate:  By Kabi - Own work, Public Domain, https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=2829370 This device is claimed to stop an 940 ton train from about 10mph in twenty or so feet. The NJT train involved in this crash was less than half that weight. And in the station you have a better chance at dodging an impending calamity than you do on the train, so the tradeoff is better the current way. There should not have to be a tradeoff either way. While there should be no contact with the bumping block, when needed the bumping block should be something more than a mere speedbump. Similarly the train should be capable of absorbing some of the impact. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 04:13:12 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by The Silence on Fri Sep 30 03:52:24 2016. You don't think there should have been some effort to avoid the death on the platform? If the cab car and bumping block had incorporated some crash energy absorbing elements the train likely never would have exited the track area. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 05:54:46 2016, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 18:41:04 2016. Do we know what type of locomotive was involved here yet?The Ch.7 news showed a video of the exact train enroute to Hoboken, probably from a signal tower. The diesel looked like a GP-40. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 05:57:38 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 16:36:56 2016. Even Andrew, who gave several otherwise intelligent interviews on various stations,keeps calling the train's operator a "conductor".Even Christie knew better. Plus Cuomo went off on a tangent and thanked the Linden, NJ police for capturing the 23rd St. bomber. What does that have to do with the Hoboken crash ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:00:18 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016. Why doesn't the news understand it was a Push-Pull train in the push mode so the control cab was in the front with the engineer?The news media also quite often uses the term "driver" to describe engineer. As if there was a steering wheel, gas and brake pedals in the cab. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:02:57 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:08:44 2016. I don't believe this was an overspeed accident. Train probably wasn't going much over 10mph.The event recorder should say exactly how fast, no ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:04:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 18:46:39 2016. I was driving on the Thruway this evening and got to see a handful of the MNCR shuttle buses originating from Tarrytown serving the PVL and lower Port Jervis line stations (Suffern-Salisbury Mills). First off, it was really odd seeing city buses in Rockland County. Secondly, all 4 I saw had no more than maybe 5 passengers. Maybe it was early, but it seems many didn't get the news about the contingency plans for today.The news stated that the MNCR Hudson Line was cross honoring NJT tickets. Maybe that's where the buses were headed ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:07:51 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 04:06:58 2016. That's interesting. maybe NJT should look into it.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Sep 30 06:19:18 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by WillD on Fri Sep 30 04:06:58 2016. I like WillD's analysis and thoughts. I guess we'll have to wait for the NTSB report to see what speed the train was going and what speed the bumper block was rated for. Jersey Mike makes a good point that the cab car/coach did well in the crash, probably crumpled the way it was supposed to? |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 30 06:55:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 29 23:31:42 2016. If pigs had wings, they'd fly. And if the throttle control was somehow jammed in reverse rather than idle, the train would have been leaving, not arriving.Your guesses are ridiculous. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Sep 30 06:58:49 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:00:18 2016. Maybe because that's the British/European term, "engine driver"? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 30 07:05:36 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 00:07:03 2016. There were several factors that allowed us to win the air war in the Pacific, like pilot doctrine, greater production capacity, and technological advancement. Self-sealing fuel tanks and cockpit armor helped, but do note that early WWII aircraft were heavily armored and made good targets for Zeroes. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Sep 30 07:16:52 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Sep 30 06:00:18 2016. Thomas the Tank Engine has a Driver. You often see Britisms in discussions about railroads, words like "Bogie" or "Sleeper." |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Sep 30 07:36:17 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 30 07:05:36 2016. The inability for the Japanese aircraft to take damage and protect the pilot was the most critical factor. It not only required high levels of pilot training to be effective, but when the pilots were lost due to the lack of protection, they could not be replaced. |
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