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BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016

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BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:19:42 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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Just saw some pictures. It looks like the train came to a stop right next to the waiting room.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:24:42 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 09:27:43 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:19:42 2016.

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Sounds like it could be bad. Hopefully not.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 09:28:03 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:24:42 2016.

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Ho dam. Took out a column or two maybe?

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:30:10 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 09:27:43 2016.

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It does look bad. Train came to a stop right by the trackside wall of the waiting room, right next to the doors. It also looks like there's a partial collapse of the train shed.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Sep 29 09:37:15 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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The bumper block couldn't stop the train at low speeds, WTF?

Train couldn't have speeding though those maze of switches entering Hoboken Terminal without derailing I'd imagine.


But Man, the actual train went into the waiting room, sounds like something straight out of a movie!

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Sep 29 09:39:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:19:42 2016.

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http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/train-crashes-new-jersey-transit-hoboken-station-article-1.2811435

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 09:40:23 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Sep 29 09:37:15 2016.

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Pascack Train 1614, which was 5 minutes late. A lot of structural damage and collapses to the canopy and beams surrounding.

Exactly 24 hours before, I walked right past there from track 16 to PATH.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 09:40:42 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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I hear it was Pascack Valley Line train 1614, and it was approaching on track 5.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 09:47:33 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 09:27:43 2016.

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Station got the worst of it. Just minor injuries. Once again FRA crashworthiness requirements save the day!

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 09:48:51 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Sep 29 09:28:03 2016.

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Crash at Hoboken

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Sep 29 09:51:50 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Sep 29 09:39:20 2016.

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Linked

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:06:49 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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Years ago, when there was a minor bumping block crash in Hoboken, but the worst damage was a buckled concrete walk.

Rail service in and out of Hoboken may not run for days.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:08:45 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:06:49 2016.

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One fatality reported.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 10:12:13 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:08:45 2016.

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Updated to three now.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:18:08 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 10:12:13 2016.

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Updated to three now.

Holy crap !

People usually are standing when the train enters the terminal waiting to get off. That's probably where most of your casualties were.

Bill Newkirk




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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:22:25 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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Jeez, what a mess. 😞

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:22:38 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 09:40:42 2016.

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That was the 7:23AM out of Spring Valley. Due at Hoboken around 8:20 AM. Very bad crash, my heart goes out to those who were injured or maybe worse!

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:24:10 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:18:08 2016.

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Oh, my! That is so sad!

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:25:06 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:22:38 2016.

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WABC is confirming one death.

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AS of 10:25 AM ET: 3 Dead, up to 100 Injured at Hoboken

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 10:27:21 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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According to WNBC-TV in New York,

LIVE FEED:
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Major-Train-Accident-in-Hoboken-Injuries-Reported-395249051.html




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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 10:28:35 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 09:47:33 2016.

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Minor? One person is dead.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 10:28:40 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 10:06:49 2016.

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at time the terminal end had no canopy, now with structural damage building dept. will call shots as to when its safe for public.


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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 29 10:29:40 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:25:06 2016.

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3 deaths as of now,there will be more.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:34:19 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:24:10 2016.

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Did the train engineer fall asleep or have a heart attack? Possibilities.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 10:42:57 2016, in response to AS of 10:25 AM ET: 3 Dead, up to 100 Injured at Hoboken, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 10:27:21 2016.

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According to one of the witnesses interviewed (seen on the WNBC-TV live feed), the Engineer was found slumped.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 10:45:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 10:28:35 2016.

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some report 3 including engineer


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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Sep 29 10:46:45 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:34:19 2016.

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That's the first thing I thought of.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 10:50:23 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:34:19 2016.

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Way too premature to speculate.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:51:10 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by tunnelrat on Thu Sep 29 10:29:40 2016.

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Not confirmed, but an eyewitness on ABC all but confirmed the engineer is one of them.

Pretty rotten day for the whole community...

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:52:59 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:34:19 2016.

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I'm curious to know the engine type. PVL trains tend to use NJT equipment.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 11:02:10 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 10:42:57 2016.

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Maybe that's because he's dead?

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:04:14 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:52:59 2016.

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Comet V's, whichever entity owns them.
I do not know if those cab cars have dead man device or alerters.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:05:56 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 11:02:10 2016.

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It's been suggested he may have had a heart attack, and given how this unfolded that sounds quite logical.

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Re: Dead Man's Device

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:07:13 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:04:14 2016.

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It's been said on WNBC-TV (Channel 4) they do.

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Re: Dead Man's Device

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:14:14 2016, in response to Re: Dead Man's Device, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:07:13 2016.

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Yes, but which one ?

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 11:25:23 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Sep 29 09:37:15 2016.

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Didn't something like this happen at DC Union Station in the 1950's?

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 11:27:38 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 10:34:19 2016.

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But still, I can't imagine how the train could have gotten through the switches at suc5 high speed.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:28:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dave on Thu Sep 29 10:28:35 2016.

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What turned out to me reports said just injuries.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Sep 29 11:28:25 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016.

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Bad stuff

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:30:01 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 09:47:33 2016.

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So there are fatalities in the later reports, but we'll need to see the breakdown between persons on the train and persons in the station. Railcar looks almost completely intact so it clearly did its job.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:32:23 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:05:56 2016.

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For anyone wondering, last I checked, NJT had never extended the cab signals / ATC into the Hoboken Terminal Complex.

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Re: Crash at Hoboken

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:32:57 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 11:27:38 2016.

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It might have been a "perfect storm" of circumstances:

It's possible the engineer had a heart attack and died instantly just at the exact point where the train could go to its highest possible speed without signals and other things.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:33:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 11:25:23 2016.

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Except, the GGI and first NH coach went right into the headhouse and crashed down into the basement.

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Re: One death was on platform

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:34:26 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:30:01 2016.

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We do know that one person who was killed was on the platform when this happened.

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:35:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 11:27:38 2016.

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NJT was speculating early-on of a slick substance on rails. It is possible for the dead man control to not work as anticipated with an incapacitated engineer, as we saw on Spuyten Duyvil

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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 11:41:08 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:04:14 2016.

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Those aren't providing the power/traction.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:41:26 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:32:23 2016.

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Found the new ETT and they did extend the ATC into the terminal at some point. So no clue how it got moving so fast as people are reporting.

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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET)

Posted by T8H5307N on Thu Sep 29 11:51:05 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:05:56 2016.

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WCBS-TV reporting the engineer survived....

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