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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Sep 29 11:53:38 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 11:33:25 2016. Yea and was removed sent back to Altoona and put back together and was again running ....... unbelievable. Karlhttp://dcist.com/2013/01/post_55.php#photo-1 |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:55:46 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by T8H5307N on Thu Sep 29 11:51:05 2016. Interesting.It's been assumed on WNBC-TV that the Engineer was one of those killed based on reports and witness accounts that the Engineer was found slumped. They have now lowered the death total to one from three, if so, the woman on the platform as previously reported. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:28:13 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Thu Sep 29 11:53:38 2016. Not exactly a lightweight loco either. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:31:17 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 11:55:46 2016. CBS is terming the engineers as the "conductor" You can't take the media's terminology to the bank.Yes, over the last hour, they have rolled back the fatality counts from a mixed bag of 1 and 3 on various channels to 1 (and 2 critical). That has got to be a good thing. |
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 12:33:08 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 11:41:26 2016. ATC would have given a penalty application if he was going over 15 mph - restricted speed..... I though?????Sure looks like damage from going faster than 15mph. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:39:48 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 12:33:08 2016. Heard it was about 30 MPH, but we'll find out in a day or two. NTSB just got there.I am sure far heavier and elaborate bumper blocks will be coming to Hoboken and the stub track 1 - 4 in NYPS. PATH and SIR have rammed bumper blocks repeatedly, but not causing so much a calamity. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by trains61 on Thu Sep 29 12:41:13 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:31:17 2016. I know we are `Railfans` and are a little more educated then the casual viewer, but those anchors reporting the story are ridiculous. These so called college educated persons sound like morons.Now folks can get a sense of how the Aviation community feels when these same people try to commentate on Air Incidents smh. I hope the death toll does not rise. The Lurkers`Guild |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 12:42:57 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Sep 29 09:37:15 2016. "The bumper block couldn't stop the train at low speeds, WTF?"The bumper blocks are designed to take a 5 maybe 6 MPH hit. Faster than that, all bets are off. |
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 12:45:31 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:39:48 2016. PATH and SIR have rammed bumper blocks repeatedly, but not causing so much a calamity.One NJT employee interviewed on camera stated that the lead car hit the bumping block and became airborne, most likely bringing down the canopy. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:48:41 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by trains61 on Thu Sep 29 12:41:13 2016. I have said that in my office how anyone cannot tell the engineer from the conductor terms. They say "well we don't know - you know trains".I answer back, "OK, the conductor drives the train and the engineer punches tickets - how does that sound". These are 3rd grade vocabulary words, not railfan jargon. Some idiot from NBS News was comparing this to the Sully Sullenberg landing. One things has nothing to do with the other. Then FOX5's Kelly kept carrying on the trains should have seat belts. I suppose he thinks ail passengers would stay seated until the "conductor" turns off the "Fasten Seat Belt sign" after they arrive at a terminal. The privileged child has obviously never ridden a commuter train. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:49:50 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 12:42:57 2016. Depends on the bumper block. Ever see the ones at WUS ? |
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Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET) |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:50:46 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 12:45:31 2016. Imagine what a taller MLV car would have done. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Sep 29 13:00:59 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:48:41 2016. I caught that too on Fox. Average A train at rush hour carrying 1100 crush load gets 584 seat belts. He can't do simple math |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 13:06:09 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by trains61 on Thu Sep 29 12:41:13 2016. Fox News is the worst with their reporting style. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 13:16:48 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016. Obviously, NJT HBLR bypassing Hoboken.But PATH Hoboken station closed. This is going to be an interesting PM rush hour. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 13:21:42 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 13:16:48 2016. A lot of schlepping from Newark Penn to Newark Broad.For the Erie lines, Secaucus Lower Level in the new Hoboken. Quite a hassle to get there from Jersey City/Exchange Place work locations. I suppose they'll honor Hoboken tickets out of NYPS, and a lot of lower Manhattan PATH/NJT commuters headed to Hoboken will be buying a Mterocard today to get up to NYPS. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 13:23:40 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 13:16:48 2016. Hopefully Hoboken PATH will reopen by evening rush hour. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:36:28 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 12:42:57 2016. If the train was going as fast as they say, the bumper probably saved lives, cuz that train would have gone all the way thru the station house. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:39:59 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 13:16:48 2016. Will be bad at NYP, cuz all those diesel trains now have to begin/end in Secaucus |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 13:43:47 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bob Andersen on Thu Sep 29 10:46:45 2016. Do trains coming in to Hoboken have cab signals? Couldn't they be set to make sure that trains did slow down and then stop coming in to the station? What would happen at GCT if a train didn't stop approaching the end of the track? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 13:49:15 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 13:43:47 2016. What would happen at GCT if a train didn't stop approaching the end of the track?It would probably derail if it went over a switch south of 59th Street at more than 10 mph. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 13:55:57 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Sep 29 13:43:47 2016. Cabsignal/atc and PTC does not work in terminal area's, it can only restrict speed, it can not sop at bumper block or stop short of a train already in platform |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:59:04 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Sep 29 13:55:57 2016. Only WABC has mentioned that fact. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 13:59:42 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 13:39:59 2016. It will also make the XBL Bus situation that much worse from any Erie line passengers who decide to take the bus. From NJT's numbers that I have from 3rd QTR 2015:45% of the Bergen/Main and 51% of the Pascack go to Hoboken. 44% of the Bergen/Main and 38% of the Pascack go to NYPS. Combined total passenger to NYPS is 16,850 Combined total passenger to HOB is 18,300 So expect the NYPS - SEC passengers from those lines to about double in size so long as Hoboken is out. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 29 14:07:07 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 29 10:51:10 2016. Engineer was not killed; he was badly injured.One female is confirmed dead right now. --Mark |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 29 14:14:41 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Sep 29 13:23:40 2016. It is expected to be open for this evening's rush hour.--Mark |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 29 14:26:53 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 13:16:48 2016. Based upon a press conference with Chrisite, Coumo, Prendergast, NJ Comm. of Transportation, they are expecting normal PATH service tonight providing the test trains do okay.The Hoboken Terminal is so destroyed it may be weeks before it some some semblance of normalcy |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:29:07 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Fulton Frank on Thu Sep 29 12:33:08 2016. The ATC cuts in at 20mph. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:30:15 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 12:45:31 2016. From the photos I've seen, the bumper blocks at Hoboken are fairly pathetic compared to those at other terminals. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:31:41 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by T8H5307N on Thu Sep 29 11:51:05 2016. I'll bet he'll wish he hadn't. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:33:07 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:30:15 2016. Yes, they look to be right out of the Walthers catalog from Atlas. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:34:10 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:29:07 2016. LIRR Flatbush terminal is at most 10MPH with ASC. Never heard of this happening over there. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 14:40:16 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 13:59:42 2016. I have not seen any information regarding running Main/Bergan and Pascack Valley starting at Secaucus. You would think this is possible, but no information from NJT. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:40:45 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:34:10 2016. LIRR ASC's most restrictive code is 15mph.
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Sep 29 14:42:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 29 13:49:15 2016. "What would happen at GCT if a train didn't stop approaching the end of the track?"That would all depend on how fast you were coming in. And where, as in what track & what level |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:54:05 2016, in response to Re: Engineer found slumped (10:41 AM ET), posted by Jersey Mike on Thu Sep 29 14:40:45 2016. LIRR has 7 aspects (Amtrak has 9). Where is the 7th one ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 14:54:49 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 14:40:16 2016. http://www.njtransit.com/sa/sa_servlet.srv?hdnPageAction=CustomerNoticeTo&NoticeId=2468 |
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1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 15:00:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Sep 29 14:07:07 2016. Yes, he was assumed dead by earlier witnesses. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 15:04:58 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Bzuck on Thu Sep 29 14:40:16 2016. http://as0.mta.info/mnr/schedules/sched_form.cfm |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 15:20:40 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:48:41 2016. I too caught Greg Kelly's crack about seat belts.This from a guy who got his gig only because of his daddy and probably never rode a bus or train in his life because those are beneath him. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 15:22:54 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 13:06:09 2016. The amazing thing is whatever city I visit and scan channels, all those local FOX stations have similar presentation styles.It really is amazing. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 15:35:12 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 29 15:20:40 2016. William Blaine speaksThis interview and more on this link. Earlier today, and i can't find the link, Mr. Blaine spoke about waling near or over the dead woman. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Sep 29 15:54:08 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 12:31:17 2016. Screw da main stream media.chud1. |
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Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET) |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:09:09 2016, in response to Re: Back to 1 dead, up to 100 injured (11:55 AM ET), posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 15:35:12 2016. * Earlier today, and i can't find the link, Mr. Blaine spoke about walking near or over the dead woman. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:11:48 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT as of 2:00 PM, posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 29 14:26:53 2016. The Hoboken Terminal is so destroyed it may be weeks before it some some semblance of normalcyA news video showed cab car 6XXX just about touching the wall that divides the concourse and the waiting room. I wonder if it hit the wall and caused any structural issues. That should be where the ticket office is. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 29 16:13:04 2016, in response to 1 Dead, 108 Injured as of 3:00 PM ET., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 29 15:00:48 2016. Why do you keep changing the thread titles ?Bill Newkirk |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016, in response to BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Thu Sep 29 09:07:01 2016. Why doesn't the news understand it was a Push-Pull train in the push mode so the control cab was in the front with the engineer? |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 16:32:25 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016. Yes. Engine is almost always at west end of trains there. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:35:20 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:27:12 2016. It's unbelievable how dumb ,(or something) , news reporters are, which has been discussed in this thread. |
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Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 29 16:36:56 2016, in response to Re: BREAKING: NJ TRANSIT Train Collides With Wall At Station In Hoboken, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Sep 29 16:35:20 2016. Even Andrew, who gave several otherwise intelligent interviews on various stations,keeps calling the train's operator a "conductor".Even Christie knew better. |
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