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WMATA may cut late night service |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 26 15:01:49 2016 Late night |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:58:53 2016, in response to WMATA may cut late night service, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 26 15:01:49 2016. It’s beyond belief that our nation’s capital can’t provide 24/7 service over its entire system. I’m sure supplement schedules like those in NYC can be generated to allow for necessary maintenance. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 17:38:49 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:58:53 2016. It has never been a technical issue. WMATA followed BART in the new transit projects of the 60s/70s. Taking negative stereotypes of the NY subway as a counter guide they threw out most transit experience to build poorly laid out trackage with suburban friendly carpeted cars, and in WMATA's case, "starchitect" station designs with inadequate light to read by but flashing lights to let you know a train is coming. Both systems were designed to appeal to the high salary workers in the CBDs who mostly work 9-5, M-F and have little interest in using transit outside those hours. Despite this, in both cases, between sporting, music, and other events, as well as transit preference closer to the urban cores, the ridership has mushroomed. Mistakes like lack of express trackage, overly deep stations with too constrained platform access, where escalator breakdowns matter more, failure to directly serve important trip generators, have come back to bite them in the @$$. WMATA, to compound problems, has evolved a "time server" culture wherein actually doing the work is rare. It will take billions and years to bring WMATA to a reasonable quality level. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jul 26 22:07:17 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 17:38:49 2016. Mistakes like lack of express trackageIf frigging Paris doesn't need express tracks, neither does DC. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 26 23:22:05 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jul 26 22:07:17 2016. Agreed! I'd much rather have more lines with two tracks than fewer lines but have express service. It's a no brainier. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Jul 26 23:23:07 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 26 16:58:53 2016. Beyond belief? There's only one city in the world with 24/7 operations. And that city might be better off without it. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 23:33:53 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 26 23:22:05 2016. Having lived with both versions (Chicago, Philly, NYC, SF, I disagree. The best rail commute I ever experienced was the Illinois Central Electric whose mainline was 4, in places 6, tracks. In today's lingo, "hella fast" from my home to work. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 23:35:09 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Easy on Tue Jul 26 23:23:07 2016. not quite. Both the Blue and Red Lines in Chicago are 24/7. |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jul 26 23:54:04 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 23:33:53 2016. Except that NYCT runs the slowest subway system in the country by average speed despite having lengthy express runs. Clearly despite railfan handwringing there is no detriment to the schedule in following the 1960s/70s UMTA model of two tracks and higher performance rolling stock. Quite the opposite in fact. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 00:13:41 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 17:38:49 2016. . . . and in WMATA's case, "starchitect" station designs. . .That "starchitect" as you call it employs engineering that has been used for thousands of years. . . . with inadequate light to read by. . . The lighting is more then adequate, the mistake made was sand blasting concrete to remove the sheen left by the fiberglass forms thus providing a greater amount of surface for dirt to accumulate on. Power wash the concrete with a strong detergent solution, which WMATA has never done, and the stations would be as well lit as the were when the lights were first turn on. . . . the ridership has mushroomed. . . and has leveled off, it has yet to achieve the projected number of boarding projected in the 1960s for 1990 when the full 101 mile system was supposed to be completed. . . . Mistakes like lack of express trackage . . . The railroad is presently operated at roughly 60 percent of its designed capacity because lack of rolling stock. . . . overly deep stations with too constrained platform access . . . Station depths are the result of cost, terrain and geology. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. PS This post was made from a box running Windows 10 install on a separate hard drive. The hard drive with the Windows 7 on it is on a shelf close by. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 00:23:08 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Jul 26 22:07:17 2016. The lack of express trackage is why they must single track on terrible schedules for a lot of weekend maintenance. Now that Orange, Blue, and Silver are sharing, they have decided that cutting all three lines to every 16 minutes (still stubbornly keeping to 6 car trains) when single tracking needs to happen is preferable to running perhaps just the Orange Line and shuttles for Largo, Reston, and Franconia-Springfield to meet those shuttles. While there's no difference to the frequency in the shared trackage either way, using shuttles would greatly improve the experience for people who specifically need the Blue or Silver lines... |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Jul 27 00:34:39 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 00:23:08 2016. I guess if they didn't single track they could have great weekend schedules like NYCT. ;) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 27 00:38:47 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 00:13:41 2016. John, I am well aware of the history of the arch. That said, as I have pointed out in numerous threads, I consider the single flight down IRT/BMT stations as in much of Manhattan to be the ideal--the point is very quick time platform to sidewalk=rapid transit. I am aware that the lame fools on the "art commission" forced Dupont because of the potential bridge across Rock Creek. I judge the light in the stations by my inability to read comfortably as opposed to other systems where I don't have that problem.Ridership when compared to BART at the point where they had equal route mileage was roughly double. And, yes, clearly they are deliberately short of rolling stock as they can't run full length trains on all routes in rush. We will never agree about express trackage, much as my friends who tout BRT as superior to rail will never persuade me in more than a few limited cases. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 00:58:29 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Easy on Wed Jul 27 00:34:39 2016. NYCT has fantastic weekend schedules by comparison. And when they fully cut service, for example the 7 line not going to Manhattan, they typically try to not screw over the alternate routes (and will often increase service such as sending the Q to Astoria).Meanwhile in DC, lets say the blue line has to run at 15 minute intervals, the Orange and Silver lines will reduced to 15 minute intervals as well to keep things "balanced" despite the construction not even being on their route! |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Jul 27 01:06:49 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jul 26 23:35:09 2016. And London should start late night Tube service next month. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 27 06:59:28 2016, in response to WMATA may cut late night service, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jul 26 15:01:49 2016. Well, this is the risk of any "temporary" service cutback for "maintenance". My 1987 NYCT map promises restoration of F express service- and weren't two lines in Boston "temporarily" closed- the A and one branch of the E?That's also why the upcoming work on the M makes me a little nervous- but only a little. Here in NYC, community pressure prevents the bosses from enacting major closures anymore- and they'll need the M once the L shuts down. But I won't relax completely until the M job is done and service restored. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 08:58:17 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jul 27 00:38:47 2016. I am aware that the lame fools on the "art commission" forced Dupont because of the potential bridge across Rock Creek.The depth of Dupont has nothing to do with the bridge over Rock Creek. The tunnel to the north of the station ascends up to pass over the Lydecker Aqueduct before descending back down to pass under Rock Creek. The station platform is at its depth because it was cheaper and faster to tunnel under Dupont Circle then to demolish and rebuild the Connecticut underpass to make the station 40' closer to the surface. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 09:03:10 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 00:23:08 2016. still stubbornly keeping to 6 car trainsThey have no chose in how long they can make the trains because they don't have enough rolling stock. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 27 15:27:14 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by The Silence on Wed Jul 27 01:06:49 2016. Philly also resumed late night rapid transit service. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 19:03:04 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 09:03:10 2016. On weekends there's presumably more rolling stock to be had, use some of the ones normally used on weekdays. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 22:35:22 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 19:03:04 2016. On weekends there's presumably more rolling stock to be had, use some of the ones normally used on weekdays.Presumably being the key word. WMATA routinely puts rolling stock out on the railroad that may or may not be cleared for revenue service. Some of the issues are minor, some of the issues end up jacking up the railroad at sometime during the day. One of the issues that has been quite common in the last couple of months is cars with marginally functioning or malfunctioning air conditioning being put out on the railroad. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 23:22:45 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 27 22:35:22 2016. Ah, didn't realize it was quite that bad.I'm curious though; WikiPedia says there's 128 7K cars in service, but I've only ever found one train running on weekends (Red Line). Are they hiding them? I was thinking they could put those 8 car trains out on weekends... |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Thu Jul 28 09:03:57 2016, in response to Re: WMATA may cut late night service, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Jul 27 23:22:45 2016. Ah, didn't realize it was quite that bad.Its bad and some, and a couple of red light violation. In one indecent the operator was fired and others were discipline for not following proper evacuation protocols. I'm curious though; WikiPedia says there's 128 7K cars in service, but I've only ever found one train running on weekends (Red Line). Are they hiding them? I was thinking they could put those 8 car trains out on weekends... The deployment of the 7k cars has been in flux for the last couple of months. You may have heard about a 7k train losing power in a curve near Rosslyn. WMATA discovered the tolerances of the third rail shoes on the 7k cars was not great enough to handle the differences in the height of the third rail. WMATA embargoed the 7k cars from all but the Red line until the third rail height was corrected. There have been other issues holding them from being used in revenue service. At the same time the 1k cars are being shipped to Baltimore for scrapping at a rate of 2 a week. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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