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Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 18:23:08 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 17:55:56 2015. If he wants to keep playing dirty, I'm sure it's not too late for a police report to be filed. It's sad. No, it's pathetic. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 18:37:53 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 18:23:08 2015. No, I was not kicked out for theft. You know my name, why don't you state yours? That was the phony story that was made up by Arjun Lal. The fact is that it was he that wanted to go running around purloining things, and tried to get me involved in it, which I adamantly refused.Lal took some things without authorization (I won't call it theft) and was forced by me to return them, which is why he cooked up the "theft" story about me. The fact is that McGinty and Omar Pagan (nothing mysterious about him) have a tightly knit clique which I didn't fit into. McGinty seized upon the opportunity presented by Lal's slander and he used that as an excuse to kick me out. And please don't lecture me about immaturity or being disgraceful or playing dirty. I can recount the behavior in the diner with the whole "morning glory" nonsense. I can also recount how Lal wished to bring "ten bitches" over to the shower stall in the TMNY trolley barn after everyone had left. As regards any police report, there is nothing to report. Filing a false police report is a crime, especially if it's done in retaliation for posting public criticism. No police report was filed by anyone because there was no illegal action by me. The fact that you want to file a retaliatory police report for my "playing dirty" is prima facie evidence of fabricated allegations brought in bad faith. Making up stories as you are constitutes libel, and I am very well capable of suing. Watch your step. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 18:49:19 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 18:37:53 2015. Regardless of who is at fault here, the general dysfunction going on up at TMNY is indicative of serious problems there.I dont think there are enough railfans in the Tri-State area to generate enough traffic to justify TMNY's existence. Face it, railfanning is a niche hobby. Three museums (TMNY, BERA, and NYTM) all in the same area just spread volunteer efforts and revenues thinner. I honestly think the transit cars should be sent back down to NYCTA where they can properly take care of them, and the trolleys sent to BERA, Seashore, or another museum. Bringing the museum and it's cars to a state in which the cars can run on significant amounts of trackage would take decades and millions of dollars that, lets be honest, are HIGHLY unlikely to appear. Quit dreaming and lets be practical here. Look at the BIG PICTURE. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 18:57:13 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 16:11:51 2015. Listen here, Robert, I've got something to say. You decided to make a mistake at the museum and you were appropriately punished for it.Now you come here and degrade the museum's efforts on a forum, that's just puerile. I feel bad for you acting like some cheap hooker that didn't get laid in bed. Instead of picking up your balls and moving on, you decide to take a dump on the museum staff and their hard work. They've been through so much and they're not about to let someone stop them. You're a talented SOB, yet instead of using that talent, you resort to acting like a four year old that didn't get their toy. |
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Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 19:00:11 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 18:57:13 2015. Exactly! I think he did good work. I have no problem with him. It's this childish shit that needs to stop. What are you trying to accomplish? |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:03:05 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 17:59:58 2015. Disregard that, Subchat and its members suck cock. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:04:03 2015, in response to Being Realistic About TMNY - Was:PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 18:49:19 2015. Aka, IDGAF.Next. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 19:04:24 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 18:37:53 2015. Robert:Whatever the case may be,you are correct on one thing:You didn't fit in for several reasons and YOUR actions ultimately caused you to be removed from the group.We are doing just fine without you.Your presence is not needed nor required.Good riddance to bad rubbish. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:13:48 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 19:04:24 2015. That's fine, Jim! Just do me a favor: return both $200 MTA decals to me. After all, they're bad rubbish. The Westinghouse cab window decals too. They're also bad rubbish, just scrape them off. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:16:28 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 18:57:13 2015. Suppose you're helping finance the efforts of TMNY? |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:20:31 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:16:28 2015. Doing a better job compared to RTA keeping it's buses on time. :) |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:20:40 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 18:57:13 2015. Right, the two stickers, my toy. $200. Either send them back or reimburse me the cost. The Westinghouse decals too.The only mistake I made was to get involved at all. I never took anything that was not given to me by museum authority, and that which was given was immediately returned upon request. That's called loaning, not theft. Theft would be if I had NOT returned it and said fuck off instead. Big difference between the two, OK? The museum? Its track record speaks for itself. One only needs to look around over there, in the yard and in the barn. That has nothing to do with me, I didn't make things that way over there. It is beyond my ability - or anyone's ability - to fully restore that marvelous collection. That is what is sad -no, pathetic. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:21:58 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:20:31 2015. Go buff out the dents on your end before you roll down on your ass. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:22:45 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:21:58 2015. Merry Christmas kid. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:23:53 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 19:00:11 2015. I tried to help. I had solid ideas for fundraising for TMNY. You can't rely on grants. Look at how Brooklyn raises funds. I wanted to bring those ideas to TMNY. You have so much work that needs to be done there, I am talking about the cars. That will cost millions of dollars. That CAN be raised, but it takes creative approaches. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:24:47 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:20:40 2015. This man is an exemplary member of the transit restoration community and this backlash against him is unwarranted.Signed, The Administratior of a forum no one could give two fucks about. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:26:57 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:22:45 2015. Insert circle jerk comment here, followed by reef in 3. 2. 1. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:27:48 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:26:57 2015. And it's happy holidays faggot. Don't you have consideration for others? |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:30:57 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:27:48 2015. Even you should know I don't care much for holidays, but out of respect for others, I try to brighten the spirit.Look on the bright side, at least you're not wasting time or money on a forum no one gives two fucks about. |
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Posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:32:31 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:30:57 2015. Disregard everything I've said.Kevin Mothersil of Cassellbury, FL contributes nothing to the TMNY. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 19:33:05 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:32:31 2015. Is that your brother's name? Thanks for sharing that to the entire world. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 19:33:44 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 18:57:13 2015. CJ:Thank you for that for it needed saying.I am glad you see thru this man''s bullshit and see things for what they are.Thanks again. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:46:41 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 19:33:44 2015. I talked to Mike Hanna a few weeks ago and told him about all this. He said, "McGinty, he's nothing" in a voice dripping with contempt. He also told me that the phony report posted on facebook claiming he passed away originated at TMNY. The whole time I was up there, everyone kept bad mouthing Hanna. Garces for example, constantly kept telling us that Hanna was slowly dying and that Hanna was senile, and that Hanna was always recriminating about past things Garces did. That's all I ever heard there, that: "Mike Hanna thinks these are his toys and won't let anyone play with them." But you know what? They never told Hanna that Risely ordered the locks on the Low-V clipped - he found that out from me. They also blamed Hanna for the damage caused by Sandy; they said that he refused to allow the loco and the other cars moved up behind the museum, and they were resentful that he did not trust anyone there. I can see why. |
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Posted by priya12 on Fri Dec 25 19:52:58 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:46:41 2015. Just to show you I'm not one sided, I believe everything you just said. Mike can run circles around those guys. |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 20:25:57 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:46:41 2015. Robert:You can say whatever you like but I have to ask:Just how low are you willing to go in order to get your message of contempt out to everyone here? Insulting people's wives,dragging people's names thru the mud,slinging shit about everyone there like you were the savior to all the supposed troubles with the goings on at the TMNY.You have your audience now,some of which are on your side.Are you happy now? Never once have you admitted any wrongdoing on your behalf.Not once have you said hey,I might have fucked here? No,not a single time.Enjoy your 15 seconds of fame here.Bottom line though:You will NEVER be allowed to step foot at the museum after what you have done.And now this shit? No,I won't allow this to continue.I am done with this.You are the lowest of the low and I hope you are happy with the results.At the end of the day the correct decision was made to terminate your involvement with the group.You ARE a thief and a liar and we caught you out there and dispensed justice accordingly.Say what you will-I am done. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:16:18 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 20:25:57 2015. Not to play devils advocate, but the fact that Robert is so angry, and that there is such a strong argument about this, is very telling of the general dysfunction at TMNY. I think people need to put this to rest, put aside their egos, and realize that regardless of what happens, the collection at TMNY will never really be restored and maintained well. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:18:11 2015, in response to Re: Being Realistic About TMNY - Was:PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TurboThePunk on Fri Dec 25 19:04:03 2015. I'd rather see the cars at TMNY in the hands of a more capable group of people than one that causes arguments like this. Fact of the matter is, even with the best efforts of 10 times as many volunteers as TMNY has, the place is a lost cause. It would be better to just move the cars out of there now before they rot more. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:21:58 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Fri Dec 25 20:25:57 2015. Mike Hanna addressed that too. He said neither you nor Garces can lawfully keep me from visiting TMNY or volunteering there - it's a public museum. The fact that you wish to keep TMNY as some kind of private clubhouse (though it's publicly financed) shows your sense of provincialism and xenophobia and entitlement. You want to keep TMNY to yourself - now they're your private toys, right? The volunteers are just your slaves, huh?I never stole anything from there, EVER. Risely gave me certain items. In her FUCKING OFFICE. (I did NOT ask for them) When she asked these items be returned, THEY WERE PROMPTLY RETURNED. I never heard any accusations of theft from anyone. Another member helped himself, without authorization, but he returned the items too when asked. He is still there because Mick likes him. I did NOT steal. END OF STORY. And you certainly did not dispense justice, just your vendetta. You want to be fair? Return the stickers. If you feel that strongly about me, do so. Otherwise, you're a value-leeching hypocrite. Yeah, I'll admit I fucked up. I paid for stickers and tools and I should not have gotten involved in any of this. I will tell you this though: TMNY has a clock running on it. It is a slow running clock, measured in years, as opposed to minutes. Let's compare it to a soccer match. TMNY is down four goals, 4-0. It is early in the second half. There is no sense of urgency, teamwork or active striving towards winning. Rather, there is drifting and this hazy romantic illusion of hope that somehow millions of dollars will materialize out of nowhere while the team players pat each other on the back after slapping on yet another meaningless paint job. Meanwhile, Kingston is watching all of this closely. Unlike TMNY, the city already has a solid plan laid out and ready. Kingston knows what is going on at TMNY. When Pagan drove us up there, he wondered why TMNY was not listed on road signs as a tourist attraction. Indeed, as we drove up to and through Kingston, TMNY was never once advertised as a tourist attraction anywhere. The reasons for this are clear: TMNY is an eyesore. It is not a museum, it is a junkyard. It lacks profits, even though the nearby Catskill RR is rolling in dough. It is an embarrassment to Kingston. That is why the city was encouraging the rails to trails people to plow right up to the rear fence of the museum. The rails to trails designation literally circled around TMNY. Kingston is being patient - they are biding their time, waiting to see what happens. They are giving TMNY a chance. Eventually, the clock will run out and Kingston will swoop in. The property will be seized, and the cars auctioned off. Brooklyn will then swoop in for the Low-V and whatever else it wants. Everything else will either go to other museums or get scrapped, like the PATH black cars and the Queensborough Bridge Trolley, the last remaining one. This is why Brooklyn will not pay freight to TMNY. They know they will eventually get that Low-V without paying the extra freight for sending another car up to TMNY. Right now, it costs 15-20k annually to run TMNY. That money comes from the trustees' private money. That is why McGinty, Pagan and Garces act like it's their private little fiefdom. But there is a cost to this possessiveness. Neglect has taken a steep toll. Incompetence and immaturity are the guiding forces at TMNY and have been for a long time. That won't continue on forever. One can only hope that when the shit hits the fan up there, the other museums will take the exhibits into their collections and properly restore them. Because, believe me, McGinty and Garces will not . They have been there since 1987 and look what they achieved. And when the hammer comes down, it will be the gang that couldn't shoot straight that will be terminated from any further involvement with the collection. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:25:43 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 19:23:53 2015. The big issue with TMNY is that the people in charge don't understand the big picture. Issue is, there just aren't enough railfans in the area to justify the existence of THREE museums, two of which are far away from the locus point of the hobby. The amount of effort required to bring TMNY to a point in which it is at the same level as BERA would require DECADES and MILLIONS.It is NOT worth it - all of that money and effort (And I don't think it will appear), would just end up being taken away from other museums, reducing all of them to mediocrity. Furthermore, a museum focused on ONLY the hardcore train stuff and is far from a high-population metropolitan area will just not attract that much visitation NO MATTER WHAT. The whole thing is a waste of time. The people at TMNY need to learn that they are WAY over their heads, and are wasting their effort. If the cars were sent to NYTM and BERA, they'd get much more attention and would actually RUN in the next 3 decades. Perhaps the people working on them at TMNY should put aside their egos, stop focusing on making TMNY "Their famous trolley museum", and send the cars elsewhere and continue work on them there. Just my two cents. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:29:03 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:21:58 2015. This "McGinty", "Garces", and "Pagan" crew should really set aside their egos, and do what is best, SEND THE CARS AWAY TO PLACES THAT HAVE THE RESOURCES TO TAKE CARE OF THEM AND SHUT THE MUSEUM DOWN. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:30:56 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:29:03 2015. The problem is that The Three Stooges you mentioned will have to be compelled involuntarily by the city before that happens. And even then, they will want to slither after the cars to the next museum that take them. :/ |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:41:41 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:30:56 2015. Now I have no idea whether or not you are in the wrong or if they are in the wrong. I'll stay out of that argument because I wasn't involved.However, those three are being very foolish thinking that they can bring TMNY from where it is now to any sort of a functional museum. They can dream, but life isn't always a fairy tale, and this time, they need to face reality, give up, and send the cars elsewhere. The only work that should be done up there should be on the CARS to ensure they are ready for shipment OUT OF THERE. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:45:57 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:21:58 2015. McGinty, Pagan, and Garces:If you are reading this, open yourselves up to external opinions that may differ from your own. Continuing to push at TMNY is futile. Even with 20 times the money and manpower, it is borderline impossible to achieve what you are trying to do. If you really want to see the cars ever run again, send them to BERA and NYTM. Don't let your egos override practicality. You're putting in 200% effort for 2% gain. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:46:56 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:41:41 2015. I agree. Did you know that there was once a plan to move the TMNY to Brooklyn's Bush Terminal, but that the then-president of TMNY concealed that offer from the trustees and nobody knew about it? McGinty didn't like that idea when I told him about it. He thought it would make TMNY come into too direct competition with Brooklyn's NYTM. But the great thing would have been that access to the repair shops and trackage would have made it feasible, and there would have been many visitors to the TMNY in that Brooklyn location. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:49:13 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:46:56 2015. While not ideal, a Bush Terminal location would be better than the current location in Kingston. It is WAY too out of the way, and suffers from the same problem BERA has. Too many people don't volunteer there because of the distance.The fact that the president concealed that offer from the trustees is VERY troublesome, and emblematic of the rampant dysfunction going on up there. I'd hate to see these priceless cars continue to rust away because of this crap. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:51:11 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:49:13 2015. Oh yeah,McGinty should stop worrying about competition from the NYTM. If he were smart (which he obviously isn't), he instead could have worked out a collaboration agreement with the NYTM, had his cars down in Bush Term, and had them restored from him by the NYTM in exchange for allowing them to run on museum trips and sitting in the NYTM on loan on occasion. What a dumb fuck he is. Everyone knows it too. He needs to get over his ego and do what is best for the cars, BRING THEM BACK HOME. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:51:44 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:51:11 2015. *for him |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:52:46 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:49:13 2015. They will continue to rust away unfortunately. That president and some of the trustees, according to my information, took money that was slated for car restoration projects and applied it towards SALARIES. IIRC, that ex-president was making 100k/yr off that funding. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:59:22 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 21:52:46 2015. I find that hard to believe, but if it is true, that's shameful.Regardless if it is true or not, they need to put aside their egos and send the cars away. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:03:54 2015, in response to To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:45:57 2015. Ah, another fan who doesn't know what's going on behind the scenes. Well here is something you, ren, and anyone else need to digest.TMNY IS HERE TO STAY. I typed that in all caps so everyone can read that message clearly, because I don't repeat myself. The museum has been doing an outstanding work. I would be very careful who you get information from, especially from butthurt people who got booted out of the museum for doing something stupid. A lot of people are jealous that TMNY got 143 and others didn't. Degrading user's names is childish and another proof that the railfan community hasn't grown up in the last twenty years and counting. Whether anyone likes it or not, 143 is staying in New York and TMNY will survive. To put this to bed, here is a little thing. Many people have said a Big Boy would never be restored to working order, decades after those locomotives retired. Now it's happening. People are saying TMNY will never survive, yet it's doing just that and I know bigger and better things are coming in 2016. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:04:05 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:59:22 2015. There's also another problem: not every trolley in that collection is wanted by other museums. The PATH black cars were not wanted anywhere, nor was the Queensborough Bridge Trolley and look what happened: they got scrapped. Those other museums might not want the added burden from TMNY's collection.But you're right, all those cars need to be sent away. And they will be sent away, the only question is under what circumstances and to what destination: another museum? Or the scrapper's torch? |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:12:28 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:03:54 2015. I don't think anyone is jealous that TMNY got 143.I'm sure TMNY will stay in New York and survive. I also am sure that it will never attain the same prominence as BERA or the NYTM. Comparing the Big Boy restoration (By a MAIN LINE RAILROAD mind you) to TMNY squeaking by with a couple of dysfunctional volunteers is comparing apples and oranges. I could care less whether or not TMNY survives. I'm just saying that if you look at the BIG PICTURE, it doesn't make sense to keep it around. It only spreads visitation, volunteers, and funding thinner. Stop being so egotistical and look at it from an outsider's point of view. You're fixated. |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:14:46 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:04:05 2015. I can understand why they weren't wanted though. By the time they were scrapped, they were in such sorry shape that nobody wanted them.That should not happen again, the cars should be taken NOW before they deteriorate further. Slapping a coat of paint on a car will not stop the deterioration. The work being done there is amateurish. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:14:46 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:03:54 2015. Doing something stupid? You mean like paying for those MTA stickers, Erik? You guys don't have any gate revenue at all. Survive and thrive are two different things. Building track is only kidding yourself. You need enormous overhauls there to the equipment, not the track. What are your plans for the trolley inside the barn? What about the BMT Q type? Nothing. All they talk about is electrification and a substation. They already have a sub in the rear of the barn.Garces continually displays poor judgment. First, he said the Low-V would be ready in time for summer. No way. Then he wanted me, a one-man would-be woodworker, to rebuild the BMT Q (I am not a woodworker, btw). Is he serious? Garces showed me a rollsign from an R-10. He was going to trade it for a signal from some guy working at the MTA. I couldn't believe it. I told him that guy had the better of the deal. You could GET a signal from the MTA any old time if you're a museum. That loco took three years after Sandy to get working again. And that was for only a simple repair. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:18:49 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:12:28 2015. By Big Boy you mean the GE loco painted yellow? When I was there in 2014 they could barely start it. They left one of the valves open or closed and it didn't run until they discovered that one simple thing. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:21:03 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:12:28 2015. I think you need to look yourself in the mirror. Come back to me when you actually know what's going on and then we'll talk.Also, the men who's names you degraded, you owe them an apology. Some strong advise McGinty, Pagan, Garces, and anyone associated with TMNY. It's best not to post anymore information about what's going on at the museum around here. It's quite obvious some people would rather be neck deep in bullshit. |
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Posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:23:27 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:14:46 2015. The name is Caesar. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Years to you, Ren. :) |
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Posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 22:24:20 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:18:49 2015. The 4-8-8-4 steam loco |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Fri Dec 25 22:25:57 2015, in response to To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:45:57 2015. I've been following your post and those of the "ren" individual. While this is a forum that encourages free speech and the sharing of opinion, I'd like to clear up a few things about some of the misinformation that's been posted here over the last several hours. Hopefully, this will put the bickering to rest.For starters, "ren" was once a member of the volunteer team where he participated in the restoration effort of TMNY's collection over the course of several months. He did a decent job with his work and was always there to learn and complete assigned tasks. Some time ago, some credible information came into light about this individual that resulted in the team questioning his intentions in the group. After long debate, it was concluded that the individual could not be trusted with information and materials entrusted to him when he was part of the team and was dismissed from it. Said individual has indicated that already from his posting of information of museum matters. He has also reported to have also been divulged information with other individuals in order to flaunt his position in the group. As an observation, he mentions the names of certain individuals a lot. As someone who knows these individuals on both a professional level and at a personal level, I can attest that the accusations of what those and of the individuals here labeled "The Three Stooges" have been greatly exaggerated. No one in the group has had any ill-intentions against "ren", for his dismissal from the museum was a measure to protect the museum's collection and space. It was a difficult decision made by the museum group as his contributions were also taken into account. It seems the individual's taken to post on this website solely due to the frustrations of no longer being allowed into the group. Now, as for the museum itself, many individuals seem fixated in the fact that the institution remains today as one that's been known for years following its move to the Kingston area as a junkyard where equipment rusts away, a place where nothing ever gets done, a place where the museum's administration displays a great amount of mismanagement. Many of these individuals who think this way do not realize (and most likely not have been paying any attention of what had been going on the last several months at the museum, nor perhaps have done any research to back up their claims that this is still the case) that this institution is no longer the one they perceive it to be. Of course, the museum will always be associated with the DECADES of mismanagement and follies that occurred under past administrators and leaders. And of course, historic vehicles have been scrapped. And the museum has always had a lack of volunteers and help as a result of these things. But the TMNY of today is completely different - with a brand new board of trustees and a very effective leader. Over the course of the last five months, the current museum staff and its volunteers, including the names of those individuals that have been slung around by the frustrations of "ren", have completed numerous tasks and have fought with sweat, strength, and very sore limbs to complete these projects. Track tie replacement, the restoration of an R16 subway car, the revival of a 1943 Whitcomb diesel locomotive - to name a few. The museum has also made alliances with a number of groups and individuals to help and support one another, including this museum. And names like Mike Hanna have highly enjoyed the progress the museum's made in such a short amount of time - and have given the museum some support as of late. If this is not dedication and progress, then every person and institution responsible in restoring the very vintage equipment we all come to enjoy at EVERY MUSEUM AND INSTITUTION was then a waste of time. The museum was in fact on the verge of closing and was on the verge of bankrupcy. But thanks to this new administration, with the monumental challenges they have so far overcome, the museum is now growing and thriving and things are being restored. Nothing is going anywhere. This new administration has plans for the museum that will transform its grounds and collection over the next five years - from top to bottom. No stone is going to be left unturned. The TMNY you perhaps know and have envisioned will be almost unrecognizable. Of course these changes will not happen overnight, but as the saying goes, wait and see. The picture then will indeed be a big one. I hope this clears some of the misinformation set forth on this thread. The frustrations and grievances presented by "ren" are merely his frustrations and over-exaggerations. |
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Posted by ren on Fri Dec 25 22:26:18 2015, in response to Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces, posted by CJ on Fri Dec 25 22:21:03 2015. Why the secrets? What are you guys hiding? That's the trouble right there with you guys. It's a public museum, a non-profit, not a mafia clubhouse. And if you guys knew what you were talking about and knew what you were doing, you wouldn't be neck deep in bullshit with deteriorated stock and financing problems. Hiding stuff...smh. |
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