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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:05:14 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 14:20:18 2015. Imagine if all IND routes covered areas not served. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Jun 30 17:10:18 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:35:05 2015. That might be true for Kingston/Throop, but Clinton and Washington Avenues run through Fulton. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:15:08 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jun 30 11:42:20 2015. Clinton-WashingtonBedford-Nostrand Broadway-Lafayette 174-175 Sts 182-183 Sts Am I missing any? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jun 30 19:52:35 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 30 07:37:59 2015. I think the New York Botanical Garden lists their address as 200th Street. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jun 30 20:02:36 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jun 30 19:52:35 2015. Yes, they do. |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Tue Jun 30 20:21:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:15:08 2015. Morrison Ave - Soundview, which used to be Soundview Ave before the Bronx River Parkway sliced it. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Jun 30 20:23:10 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jun 30 07:37:59 2015. The Metro North Railroad Bridge has a sign calling it "200th St", which can be seen from the Botanical Garden station. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 20:39:19 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Jun 30 19:52:35 2015. Their website lists their address as 2900 Southern Blvd, bronx, NY. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jun 30 20:59:05 2015, in response to West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015. The original name for the West 4th St station was to have been Washington Place. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 30 21:15:47 2015, in response to West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015. What a waste. I would think the north mezzanine could use an extra stairwell. Same goes for the stairs at Washington Place to the middle mezzanine. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 21:32:05 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by 3-9 on Tue Jun 30 21:15:47 2015. From what I have seen, that north mezzanine is not heavily used |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jun 30 23:02:13 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 21:32:05 2015. Maybe the lack of staircases is holding it back. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Jun 30 23:06:35 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 30 10:46:48 2015. Yes, also a good point. The city planned a number of routes and came up with various means of connecting them and ways to award them to the IRT and BMT before settling on the final arrangement. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 1 00:23:25 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:15:08 2015. I'd add the Broadway-Nassau Streets station on Fulton Street in Manhattan.Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 1 00:26:46 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:47:55 2015. I understand your points, but you realize that you're giving aid and comfort to one of Wallyhorse's most recent ideas. (Ha, Ha, Lol)Mike |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 00:34:22 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 1 00:26:46 2015. Yeah, but the good news is that they had no choice for the B since 57th hadn't opened yet. Now B trains have somewhere else to go. :) |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Jul 1 00:45:09 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by K. Trout on Tue Jun 30 23:02:13 2015. The other staircase is only around 60 feet away from the first. Opening the second would not open the station up to a new catchment area in my opinion. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Jul 1 03:06:36 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Tue Jun 30 17:10:18 2015. Correct.The use of double-name stations is inconsistent and unnecessary and confusing. Sometimes, the double names represent the intersection: Hoyt - Schermerhorn Sometimes, two names for the same street: 69 St - Fisk Av Sometimes, two different streets but at the same exit: 90 St - Elmhurst Av Sometimes, two different streets at different exits: 174 St - 175 St Sometimes, a street and a landmark: 5 Av - Bryant Park The use of the same punctuation for all these different cases adds to the confusion. Here's an alternative: Intersection: Hoyt/Schermerhorn Same street, different names: 69 St (Fisk Av) Two streets, same exit: 90 St, Elmhurst Av Two streets, different exits: 174 St - 175 St Street and landmark: 5 Av & Bryant Park Most IND stations were built with exits at each end, but only a few were given double names. Why? Just because there are two exits doesn't mean there must be two names. And when one of the two exits is closed, we're stuck with the unnecessary (and misleading) double name: Myrtle - Willoughby Even though I don't favor messing with the mosaics, certainly the maps and pillars can be changed to simply Myrtle Av |
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Posted by jasonnyc on Wed Jul 1 04:50:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by jasonnyc on Tue Jun 30 20:21:04 2015. I realize my first answer might not count as the station wasn't originally named Morrison-Soundview Aves.But, there's also Forest Parkway - 85th St on the J. Same thing, was it originally called that or was it something else? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 06:02:55 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by jasonnyc on Wed Jul 1 04:50:31 2015. It was originally Forest Parkway. 75th Street-Elderts Lane was originally just Elderts Lane and 104th Street was originally 102nd Street. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 1 06:07:36 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:15:08 2015. Myrtle-WilloughbyMetropolitan Avenue-Grand Street Vernon Blvd-Jackson Avenue (formerly Vernon-Jackson Avenues) Broadway-Nassau |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 1 07:58:41 2015, in response to West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015. Thanks. I'd thought, without being able figure out exactly why, the north exits from that station looked chopped off... |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Jul 1 09:32:09 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 1 07:58:41 2015. Only the western north exit from the station has a closed stairway. The eastern north exit was just built small. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jul 1 11:23:04 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 21:32:05 2015. It gets backed up in the AM rush. There are other exits which need more work, but it would still be nice to alleviate the jams there. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Jul 1 12:20:06 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by R30A on Wed Jul 1 11:23:04 2015. I was not aware of that. Perhaps it would be advantageous to open up the other staircase then. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:38:51 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 00:34:22 2015. Exactly! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:48:14 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Jun 30 17:05:14 2015. Well, when the IND was planned, it was intended that no resident of the 4 boroughs served by the transit system would be more than a half mile from any subway station. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:55:23 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by gbs on Wed Jul 1 03:06:36 2015. I stand corrected on the Clinton/Washington, however, the reason for the double named on the Concourse Line has to do with the unique construction of the thoroughfare itself. Many of the streets along the Concourse pass under the thoroughfare rather than directly intersecting it. So at a station like 174/175 for example one set of staircases goes UP to the street that intersects the concourse at street level whereas the set of staircases at the other end goes DOWN to the street that passes under the Concourse. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:34:17 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 1 00:23:25 2015. Interestingly, I think that Bway/Nassau was intended to be named Fulton St, the name that it was recently changed to. based on certain information I have seen regarding the IND subway. Somewhere, I can’t recall where, I saw a publication issued by the City of NY that touted the supposedly faster running times from uptown Manhattan to Downtown and it specifically mentioned how long it would take to get from various stations in uptown Manhattan to Fulton St. it seems that the IND was a bit inconsistent in assigning station names where only one station was on a particular street under which a line passed. For example, Steinway Street station issituated lengthwise under Steinway Street but The station under Pennsylvania Av in the Fulton St Line is named “Liberty Av” even though Penna Av would be a more appropriate name for it. The same is true of Bway/Nassau although that has now been corrected by the renaming. The IRT also has a few similar stations such as Park Place, Clark St and Eastern Pky which are lengthwise under the streets for which they are named. E/Pky is a bit of an enigma since not only is that station under the thoroughfare for which it is named but the entire IRT Bkln Line between Grand Army Plaza and Utica Av runs under E/Pky. I have heard that the station name was to have been "Institute Park” more or less for the Bkln Museum but for some reason it was changed. If I recall the location, the closest main drag to that station that crosses E/Pky is Washington Av so why it wasn’t named that is anyones guess. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 1 14:36:01 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:47:55 2015. Yes, the first Chrystie maps, of which I proudly own one, indicates the D ran express on 6th Ave weekdays only. I didn't realize this was the reason. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 1 14:37:07 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Jul 1 09:32:09 2015. Ok, hanks. I believe you- but just for my own mind, I'll go compare the 2 of them. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 1 14:43:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Michael549 on Wed Jul 1 00:26:46 2015. We all have our fantasy routes, but Wallyhorse takes it to a new level! |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jul 1 20:47:23 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:34:17 2015. In the case of Steinway Street, the line turns on to Broadway or Northern Blvd depending on which way you're going, so the naming is appropriate.As for Liberty Ave I think the station should be called Pennsylvania-Liberty Avs. It's on Pennsylvania Ave for one station while also crossing Liberty Ave. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jul 1 20:52:09 2015, in response to West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Jun 30 16:49:45 2015. There is no evidence (that I could see) of stairs at West 4th Street, they must be hidden well. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 1 20:53:22 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jul 1 20:47:23 2015. I could never figure out that one. Especially, since the elevated portion runs over Liberty Ave, farther east, from 80th St-Lefferts Blvd. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 1 20:56:01 2015, in response to Re: West 4th Street Slabbed Over Staircases, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Jul 1 20:52:09 2015. 50 years +/- is a long time! |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Wed Jul 1 22:53:03 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:34:17 2015. The Jay Street-Borough Hall station (now Jay Street-Metrotech) runs along Jay Street from Fulton Street to Myrtle Avenue with Willoughby Street in the middle. I understand that Jay Street was (and is) an important thoroughfare but so are Fulton and Myrtle. And, the next station on the Sixth Avenue line, York Street, is also on Jay Street. Come to think of it, doesn't High Street-Brooklyn Bridge station also run lengthwise along what at the time was High Street? I think the IND stations must have been named by a couple guys sitting in a BoT office making things up with no real rules or guidelines. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jul 1 23:00:23 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by gbs on Wed Jul 1 03:06:36 2015. That's a good idea-- why not vary the punctuation appropriately instead of overloading the dash? |
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Posted by gbs on Thu Jul 2 03:10:42 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:55:23 2015. The Concourse does offer some unique station designs, but at 174-175, both those streets go under the Concourse (through beautiful arches), and the stairs that go up take you to exits on the Concourse where there are no intersections at all because the streets are below. The stairs that go down take you to 174 St under the arch. The stairs down to 175 St have been closed off for years and the opening in that arch is sealed.Regardless of the interesting station configuration, the station could have been called either "174 St" or "175 St", even with exits to both streets. Also interesting, the white-on-black station-name wall tiles say only "174" on the south half of the platform and only "175" on the north half, unlike, say, the former Broadway-Nassau, where the wall tiles alternated between BWAY and NASSAU all along the platform and didn't just say BWAY at the Broadway end and NASSAU at the Nassau St end.  174 St, under the Concourse:  175 St, under the Concourse:  |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 2 03:25:19 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by gbs on Thu Jul 2 03:10:42 2015. And that steel you see under the arch IS the railroad. :) |
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Posted by LA Scott on Thu Jul 2 06:53:24 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Wed Jul 1 22:53:03 2015. In the same neighborhood, the station under Schermerhorn between Hoyt and Bond was called "Hoyt-Schermerhorn", while the station under Schermerhorn between Boerum and Court was called "Court St"Total lack of naming consistency. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 2 07:15:32 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 2 03:25:19 2015. It's too bad they didn't put in windows. That would have been cool. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 2 10:49:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 14:34:17 2015. I'm thinking that in the planning and design phases once the station name/routes/features have been decided, then comes the building plans, the ordering of building materials, construction schedules, the various contracts, work programs, street closings, and the actual construction.My point is that at a certain point, the station name becomes "locked in" because they are building the thing. They may change the tile-work, or add some features here and there. Over time the station name gets used by the public, the station becomes familiar, and life goes on. And if all goes well, there's subway service at the station. Mike |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jul 2 12:26:20 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jul 1 20:53:22 2015. That's true, but that's like "Fulton Street" on the A/C which runs under Fulton St in Brooklyn. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:11:09 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jul 2 12:26:20 2015. Thinly “Fulton St” on the A/C is the one in Manhattan. The Fulton St station in Bkln is on the G Line and is under Lafayette Av. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:20:12 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by LA Scott on Thu Jul 2 06:53:24 2015. I think that Hoyt/Schermerhorn was named that way to alert passengers coming from outer Bkln that the station was not under Fulton St like the rest of the line but was under a parallel street since the IND had to be routed off Fulton in downtown Bkln which was already occupied by the IRT subway. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jul 2 13:26:16 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jul 2 12:26:20 2015. Please note that BEFORE the building of the Brooklyn Bridge that the Fulton Street Ferry connected the Fulton Street of Manhattan with the Fulton Street of Brooklyn!(Yes, I know there's old Fulton Landing and old Fulton Street in downtown Brooklyn - just go with the basic idea.) The two Fulton Streets should not be confusing. It is like the Broadway of Manhattan and the Broadway of the Bronx to Riverdale on the westside - it is basically one "continuous" street separated by water. Mike |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:46:37 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:11:09 2015. I don’t know what my computer did, but the first word “Thinly” does not belong there. It should be “The." |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 2 14:59:42 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Jul 2 12:26:20 2015. Not really. Fulton St, Manhattan is separated from Fulton St, Brooklyn by the East River. Two separate streets that only share the same name. Liberty Ave, on the other hand, is one continuous road in Brooklyn and in Queens. It should have been called Pennsylvania Ave, as previously mentioned in this thread. From what I have read in the Brooklyn Eagle, some residents were upset with the station entrance layout because they had to cross Atlantic Ave to get to the only stairways on Liberty Ave, itself. They clamored for another stairway on the north side, between Fulton St and Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jul 2 16:34:45 2015, in response to Re: ''Lafayette Ave'' Station not on Lafayette Ave, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 2 03:25:19 2015. So in a sense the Concourse line is an el. |
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