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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 22 20:24:54 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 22 10:40:56 2015. Do you actually understand any of the things you say or do you just regurgitate talking points you memorised by rote? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Apr 22 20:25:09 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. And best of luck to him. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Apr 22 21:14:39 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 22 19:20:11 2015. Hmm, yeah, I think it has. :-) |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 21:33:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 22 18:22:13 2015. Usable overpasses and underpasses are a lot less expensive to build than rail lines and stations. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 21:46:58 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:59:29 2015. A dictator wasn't required so much as a realistic expansion plan towards a rational goal.The goal Paris adopted was that every building be within 300 meters of a subway entrance. Its expansion after the first two successful lines was directed towards achieving that goal. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 22:01:31 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 22 16:19:08 2015. Why not? The #3 could be a 24/7 express in Manhattan and local in Brooklyn. It's already running in a shortened night route in Manhattan. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 23:23:01 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 17:13:56 2015. I would guess that the original residents are largely gone. It would be less disruptive to pop out at East New York Avenue than Kings Highway, but you could use a Big Dig style arrangement with slurry walls and get it done pretty fast. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 23:28:03 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 21:46:58 2015. I am sure you understand that each branch of the MTA is a kingdom. Something as simple as a CityTicket with a free subway transfer can be done largely with software, but it would require the commuter rails to share revenue. It would take a dictator (as opposed to money) to make this happen. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Apr 22 23:39:43 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. I'd be happiest to see a full Utica Av subway going all the way up to Broadway. Even if it didn't go into Manhattan, you have a connection available to the Fulton St and J/M/Z services. The dream is that it would go all the way up to the S4th stop and through a new tunnel to Houston St, but I'm not quite sure 6th Av can handle another local service. Aren't S4th and Fulton St stations already built? |
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Posted by Andy on Thu Apr 23 00:00:39 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Apr 22 16:11:41 2015. This track connection was only between LIRR tracks 5 and 6 and the NB 7th Ave. IRT tracks. It was never used in revenue service and is now completely covered with the Atlantic Terminal's new construction.There is no easy way to connect the SB IRT with the LIRR at this point. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 00:34:36 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by SLRT on Wed Apr 22 16:13:18 2015. And the 7 extension made economic sense.The 7 extension was a colossal waste of money because rail service could have been provided for 10% of the cost. A station could have been built within the rail yard before it was covered over. This would have been relatively cheap, about $100 million. Service would have been provided by an LIRR shuttle between this station and rarely used track 21 in Penn Sta. Fare collection would be by Metrocard at the rail yard station. There would be fare collection for entering and leaving like SIRT at St. George. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 23 01:21:15 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 00:34:36 2015. Leaving aside for the moment the totalcost, while you may be correct that such a shuttle could have been implemented on the cheap, connecting tothe general subway network is muchmore useful over the long run. next up should be infilling the unbuilt station and extending the 7 south into Chelsea.As to DeBlasio's ideas, someone should send him the Triboro RX plan. That should be possible at relatively low cost to implement while facilitating multiple crosstown connections. If the version is built including Hell Gate we get even more useful connectivity. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 23 03:45:58 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 23:23:01 2015. How fast did the Big Dig itself get done? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 03:53:35 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015. Really?For the amount the route gonna cost..they might as well purchase everyone a new car or a scooter. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 04:03:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Apr 22 12:50:08 2015. Really?For the amount the route gonna cost..they might as well purchase everyone a new car or a scooter...not to mention that bike share is ridiculously stupid. Face it...for the price your paying to use the service,you can go to Target on Nostrand and buy you a bike! Awesome idea for the less able bodied, riding a two wheeler to the nearest public transport. Dont-mind me,brah...I just find this whole bike thing v.rs rail or whatever is too silly to take seriously.-- |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Apr 23 04:15:37 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 23 01:21:15 2015. One thing I did post about not too long ago elsewhere was an extension of the (N) into the Bronx. continuing past its current terminal at Ditmars across 31st Street in Queens and across to Rikers Island before going to The Bronx (via two new bridges as elevated) with new stops as follows:20th Avenue (Queens) Hillside Avenue-Rikers Island Food Service Drive This then goes underground after Food Service Drive with stops as follows: Spofford Avenue-Hunts Point Food Market Westchester Avenue (Elder Avenue, Transfer to 6) East 180th Street (Transfer to 2/5) Neill Avenue-Williams Bridge Road Wilson Avenue-Pelham Parkway (Jacobi Medical Center), where it terminates. As part of this, new OOS transfers would be in place between Queens Plaza and Queensboro Plaza AND between 36th Street on the QB Line and 36th Avenue on the Astoria Line so those on the QB line looking to go to the Bronx can do that without having to go through Manhattan. This to me would serve untapped potential ridership of those looking for The Bronx from Queens. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Apr 23 04:38:21 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by JAzumah on Wed Apr 22 14:51:44 2015. reopen woodhaven. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 04:42:51 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Andy on Wed Apr 22 12:02:50 2015. Not so.There are several places a connection could be built...as the MTA conducted a study some years ago (Lower Manhattan Access) outlining such possibilities. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 05:01:52 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 22 13:59:13 2015. Hmm..more Right wing propaganda?Guess you didn't understand the response the first time you made that statement. The so called suburbs offer nothing to city dwellers,other than a weekend getaway. New York City has Everything one could need within walking distance.. or a Quick subway/bus/cab/bike ride away. No matter where you move within the Tristate Area...you Still gonna PAY the MTA-(Taxes, baby) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 05:18:36 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 22 16:19:08 2015. Such was the intended target of the early 1970 routing.-To build the B division route from Bushwick would require an enormous amount of property taken,displacement and brand new streets being created,carving its way across north Brooklyn. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Apr 23 05:29:07 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 05:18:36 2015. To build the B division route from Bushwick would require an enormous amount of property taken,displacement and brand new streets being created,carving its way across north Brooklyn.And yet, this would probably be the best reason to build a single deep bore tunnel capable of holding two tracks to avoid dealing with the issues of the street grid above. It's how the Germans avoided the need to rip up the Altstadt of Koeln for the Nord-Sud-Stadtbahn. |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Apr 23 06:15:39 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015.  |
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Posted by zac on Thu Apr 23 07:06:29 2015, in response to De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Apr 22 09:35:14 2015. I have a better idea. Since Utica Ave is wide and not particularly congested build a light rail at street level between Kings Plaza and Fulton or Broadway. Make the transfers easy where it crosses the subway. Have it run to Broadway/Myrtle and make the transfer to the J/M/Z an easy one, with extended express hours into Manhattan in the am and from Manhattan in the PM. (I'm not familiar with Malcom X blvd, so I don't know how wide that is.)Much cheaper, and just as likely to get built. IOW, not likely at all. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 07:38:26 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 23 01:21:15 2015. the general subway network is much more useful over the long run. next up should be infilling the unbuilt station and extending the 7 south into ChelseaChelsea is already within 1/2 mile of existing 8th Ave service. The only portion of the West Side not within 1/2 mile of an existing 8th Ave station are points west of 11th Ave. That's 1 avenue block between 11th Ave and the Hudson River. Manhattan starts coming to a point at the Battery starting at 23rd St. The Hudson River is within 1/2 mile of existing subway stations south of 20th St. As I noted in an earlier post, providing services to where none exist should be the goal - not duplicating existing services. |
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Posted by caine515 on Thu Apr 23 07:44:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Allan on Wed Apr 22 19:22:48 2015. I don't see a full service on Utica ave...eventually maybe as far as church avenue I suppose. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 23 07:51:35 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand Da Subway, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 23 03:45:58 2015. I would say that the soil is much better along Utica Avenue north of Kings Highway than in downtown Boston. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 07:52:52 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 03:53:35 2015. Can you be specific. Please name that route.The problem with giving people new cars is that society's cost far exceeds the initial purchase price. Cars need road and parking space. Those are two commodities in short supply. Cars are also space hogs. A pedestrian or public transit rider occupies about 5 sq ft. A bicycle rider about 14 sq ft. A private car driver about 105 sq ft. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Apr 23 08:08:23 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 22 10:40:56 2015. Yes but I got my raise, messily 4.5% plus $1k signing bonus for the years without a contract. Still haven't got it yet...Bloomberg 12 years and no contract, not even cost of living and we had to take him to court for the last 1% on the previous contract and settled for 0.5%. Now we are spending spending on Zero this and Zero that, change the name of the project and its automatically Zero-Blasio. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 23 08:09:59 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015. IAWTAP |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 08:13:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 04:03:37 2015. for the price your paying to use the service,you can go to Target on Nostrand and buy you a bike!Bike share services provide convenient parking at both ends of a journey. That's their advantage over using a personal bike for short utility trips. I just find this whole bike thing v.rs rail or whatever is too silly to take seriously. The Boynton bicycle railroad is not making a comeback. :=) Bike share provides a solution to the last/first mile problem. It's cheaper and faster than a bus or taxi ride. Bike share's major operational challenge has been restocking bikes at major transit hubs like Penn Sta, PABT and Grand Central. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 23 08:20:55 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 04:03:37 2015. Really? LOL @ you not being able to wrap your head around Stephen Bauman's logical statements. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 23 08:22:04 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 05:01:52 2015. Wrong. The suburbs offer a lot to city dwellers. Just because you couldn't make it out of the city and into the suburbs doesn't mean no one else can. LOL! |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 08:36:24 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by zac on Thu Apr 23 07:06:29 2015. Since Utica Ave is wide...Utica Ave is 65 ft wide (building line to building line) with a 40 ft roadway width north of Carrol St (bet Eastern Pkwy and Empire Blv). It becomes 100 ft wide (building line to building line) with a 65 ft roadway south of there. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 23 08:52:20 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 23 08:22:04 2015. And the other way works too. I made it out of the suburbs and into the city. But I did enjoy the peace of the suburbs while I was there.You may be amused to know that I grew up on a Scottish street a few blocks north of a large school and a pair of lakes. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Thu Apr 23 08:58:07 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by R2Chinatown on Wed Apr 22 13:59:13 2015. Judging by all the new gleaming luxury housing (and people), the tax coffers will be just fine. If anything, poorer people would be priced out of town (and away from transit). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 23 09:03:43 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 23 08:52:20 2015. Me too. I grew up in the suburbs and moved to the city after college. I've thoroughly experienced both types of living. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Apr 23 09:41:08 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Apr 22 12:57:54 2015. agreed. leave it lirr. and open woodhaven. is the railroad still pissed at brooklyn for the whole "no-steam-in-brooklyn" jazz? kidding...actually, these plans are piddling. belmont, stewart, vanderbilt...these boys'd be lt collective fa's off. let's see a new brooklyn-jersey city rail link...with a rail tunnel from greenport to conneticut. hah! |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Apr 23 09:49:07 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by xtimx on Wed Apr 22 12:21:54 2015. +1 |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 23 10:04:33 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Apr 23 06:15:39 2015. That story was shown to be false. The Commish still works for him. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 23 11:02:16 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 22 17:13:56 2015. There are very few residents who live along Utica Avenue south of Kings Highway. And the businesses that are there are mostly the kind that would suffer no detriment from having an el in front. The exception is south of Avenue M, there are some homes and walkups, and the entire east side of the street between O and Fillmore is entirely residential, but that is so few people that they can be bought off. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Apr 23 11:03:48 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 22 11:31:55 2015. The LIRR off-peak is practically empty weekday mornings from Atlantic Ave to Jamaica since most people can't afford the off-peak fares. Meanwhile the J train at East New York is overcrowded with people who ride all the way through to Sutphin and Parsons. The vast majority of customers know the LIRR exists, but can't afford it.The mayor knows what he's talking about. I'd use it all the time if it accepted my Unlimited Metrocard. Until then, there's the G to the E, or the A/C to the J. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 23 12:30:42 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 07:38:26 2015. Agree in principle, disagree about utility of extending the 7 down to at least 23rd. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 23 12:37:13 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 07:38:26 2015. The only portion of the West Side not within 1/2 mile of an existing 8th Ave station are points west of 11th Ave.Your mileage measurer consistently understates. 11th Ave and 19th street is a 0.8 mile walk to an 8th Ave subway station. That doesn't make your argument inherently wrong, but trying to support it with bad evidence doesn't help. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Apr 23 13:01:03 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by zac on Thu Apr 23 07:06:29 2015. "extended express hours"?The only time there is no express on Broadway is the short half hour window around 1:30 where J3-4 switches direction. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Apr 23 13:21:26 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Apr 23 06:15:39 2015. IAWTP!chud2. :)..... |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Apr 23 13:28:40 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by italianstallion on Thu Apr 23 10:04:33 2015. thats Ray Kelly, former Commnish of da NYPD on da front page.chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 13:41:17 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Apr 23 08:13:17 2015. Perhaps... but since the DOT installed bike docks all over the place for That exact purpose... OWNING your bike makes better sense... and cheaper in the long run.This isn't some blowing smoke in the air,its first hand experience out of curiosity, that my wife and I gave it a go. After the trial run,it was decided to purchase our own simply because of the reasons implied. I have no issues with the system itself,if it works for those who USE it...but the novelty has worn off...as reported by NY1 news...causing our former MTA chairman to beg for a cash infusion "to spruce up the equipment"... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 13:55:54 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 23 08:22:04 2015. That's right..attack Me,instead of the issue.Just so you know...I own several homes...two in Brooklyn, one upstate NY,where,mind you I once lived for years...in a suburban setting. Though I need no justification,My love and passion for a more Urban setting has more to do with my work ,my ability to serve those in dire straits,such as homeless families or prevention of homelessness, and or child services.. parenting..mental health ,drug abuse and so on. Once again,you have no clue about what's going on, yet feel the need to be the Asshole of Subchat. By the way,how's that case working out for you_? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 14:05:46 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 23 09:03:43 2015. Doesn't change the fact that you are a asshole.A carpetbagging asshole transplant,who decide to take his carnival sideshow act on the road to Our city... Should have stayed where you were...would have been better for all New Yorkers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 23 14:07:50 2015, in response to Re: De Blasio Want To Expand The Subway, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 23 14:05:46 2015. Not commenting on your opinion here, but the original carpetbaggers were HEROES who came down south, despite the danger from violent, slavery-loving reactionaries, to rebuild the South and crush the southern spirit. Too bad they failed. |
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