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Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q? |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Jan 26 17:09:03 2015, in response to Why not build Cuomo's "LGA AirTrain" to the N/Q?, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 16:57:10 2015. Maybe six or seven years ago I attended a public hearing about extending the N or R to LaGuardia. I think the hearing was held at the Kaufman Studio. The chief proposal seemed to be a squealing turn east at 21st Avenue or Ditmars Blvd and a dive into a tunnel. Anyhow, it was obvious that residents knew that elevated subway trains create a din and they opposed it strongly no matter where it would run, even through Sunnyside and Woodside. An elevated route over the Grand Central Parkway was also presented and rejected by many.--- Helen Marshall was a speaker. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 17:23:30 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Joe on Mon Jan 26 17:09:03 2015. True, but a couple of things stand out compared to some of the issues faced previously:One, the proposals in the Guliani/Pataki era had any extention to LGA consisting of actual NYC subway service entering the airport. Considering how loud we know NYCT trains to be (and remember, in the 1990s there was no NTTs), I can see their concerns. However, using the JFK airtrain technology, I can see things being significantly quieter. Second, there would be no construction on the actual Astoria line itself to disrupt service nor would this proposal result in any construction within residential neighborhoods. Third, with my idea they could always put it underground. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Jan 26 17:40:12 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 17:23:30 2015. Airtrain to Willets point will be shorter, and even less disruptive. the issue is not saving time so much as providing the service. having to go underground will add time and money. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Jan 26 18:47:56 2015, in response to Why not build Cuomo's "LGA AirTrain" to the N/Q?, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 16:57:10 2015. Did you read all the threads where this been discussed EXTENSIVELY over the past week? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jan 27 06:57:33 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Joe on Mon Jan 26 17:09:03 2015. Idiots. They were supposed to turn at 19 Avenue, not 21 Avenue. Nobody lives up at 19 Avenue.wayne |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:21:56 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Jan 27 06:57:33 2015. That's what I though one of the plans was. Extend the el to the end of 31st Street onto ConEd's property take a right turn across the ballfields onto 19th Street. Follow 19th street to LGA. 19th Street is all commercial/industrial buildings. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 27 11:47:39 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:21:56 2015. That was in fact the original plan. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jan 27 12:34:13 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 08:21:56 2015. And have the subway/elevated portal off of any public street. Assuming that a subway would be built between LGA and ConEd. With the el continuing to the end of 31st Street. Right? |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 13:40:48 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jan 27 12:34:13 2015. Why not make the whole thing an el? The JFK and Newark Airtrains are all elevated. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Jan 27 14:29:36 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by merrick1 on Tue Jan 27 13:40:48 2015. Sure, if nobody on 19th Ave objects. But, I'm sure a lot more of residents/merchants on that 3 block stretch of 31st St, from Ditmars to 19th Ave, will oppose it. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jan 27 17:24:37 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by The Silence on Mon Jan 26 17:40:12 2015. I can promise you that I would never use it from Willets Pt. I'll stick with the Q70 thank you. You'll get that from a lot of people who know their options |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jan 27 17:29:00 2015, in response to Why not build Cuomo's "LGA AirTrain" to the N/Q?, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 16:57:10 2015. How do you pass under the Hell Gate approach and the approach path for the runway that has planes flying right over the GCP? |
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Posted by jabrams on Wed Jan 28 19:22:51 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 27 11:47:39 2015. Why not build it from Jamaica (current Air Train station). Tracks make a right turn in addition to the left turn to JFK, ride above the Van Wyck over past Roosevelt Ave., then to LaG. The route isn't that much further, and gives a connection from LaG to JFK with a transfer at Jamaica. Someone coming from LI would have to travel the LIRR to Woodside, then backtrack to Willis Point. From the city, Penn Station has more options than the 7 line, and with East Side Access, Grand Central will be covered also. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 28 19:29:43 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by jabrams on Wed Jan 28 19:22:51 2015. "Someone coming from LI would have to travel the LIRR to Woodside, then backtrack to Willis Point. "This could be solved by building a wye where the main line meets the Port Wash line. This would be like the wye where the Harlem and Hudson lines meet near Yankee Stadium. That would also allow game day service from Long Island. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 28 20:55:06 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Jan 28 19:29:43 2015. Not worth it for 3.6% of LGA users and a handfull of events |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 00:02:02 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jan 28 20:55:06 2015. The Yankee Stadium wye seems worth it. And between Citifield and Tennis Center, there are far more events there than at Yankee Stadium. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 29 03:40:45 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 00:02:02 2015. Of course, the Yankee Stadium wye has been there since before the area was built up. A Woodside wye would require condemnation of houses. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jan 29 07:27:11 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 00:02:02 2015. As AlM said, that wye was inside a yard! It was not built for Yankee Stadium service! It also connected two CLASS 1 RR MAIN LINES. The eye you want to build would connect to a minor branch. |
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Posted by The silence on Thu Jan 29 08:04:39 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jan 27 17:24:37 2015. Ok, when you're stuck in traffic don't come crying to me... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 12:25:09 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 29 03:40:45 2015. I don't think so, based on Google Maps. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 12:25:49 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jan 29 07:27:11 2015. "It also connected two CLASS 1 RR MAIN LINES. The eye you want to build would connect to a minor branch. "Completely irrelevant. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jan 29 12:35:59 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 12:25:49 2015. No it's not. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 29 12:43:48 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by shiznit1987 on Mon Jan 26 17:23:30 2015. I've been thinking that the Astoria Line should be converted into a subway. People would stop getting pissed by the loud (though relatively quieter than it was few years back) elevated line. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 13:32:15 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 29 12:43:48 2015. From a previous message:"I've been thinking that the Astoria Line should be converted into a subway. People would stop getting pissed by the loud (though relatively quieter than it was few years back) elevated line." Considering the subway station spacing guidelines that have followed since the time of the construction of the Astoria segment (circa 1920's), the neighborhood could indeed find itself with fewer and widely spaced stations compared to what exists now. Just a thought. Mike |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 29 13:34:35 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 29 12:43:48 2015. No, they should just tear it down. It's an Archie Bunker line. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 13:36:23 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 13:32:15 2015. Maybe, but with entrances at each end like the IND, there might be a shorter walk to entrances than now. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 13:36:58 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by MTA T on Thu Jan 29 12:43:48 2015. Show me the money. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 13:47:20 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 13:32:15 2015. The 39 Ave. stop would be kept as the portal would start just north of there, where the street runs uphill northbound. There could be a new entrance near 38 Ave. But putting the portal in would eliminate the stop at 36 Ave, where there is no connecting bus line and little business activity. Underground, the Broadway stop would be kept, given the busy commercial area there and the bus line. But it would also have a south entrance at 34 Ave. The 30 Ave. and Astoria Blvd. stops are fairly close and could be combined, with entrances at both those avenues. The Ditmars stop would be rebuilt to be actually at Ditmars rather than 200 feet south, facilitating the bus transfer. And being underground at that point would make it politically feasible to extend the line to LAG.Putting the line underground would have many benefits (including ADA accessibility to each new station), but it would cost too much. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 29 16:48:38 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 13:47:20 2015. "...rather than 200 feet south,"Often wondered why they stopped construction seemingly in the middle of the block as opposed to ending the line directly over Ditmars. Maybe thats why all the destination signs from Gate cars to R-38s read ASTORIA instead of Ditmars Blvd. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 17:28:41 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 13:47:20 2015. There is an interesting question as to why the Queensboro Plaza station is elevated in the first place? Take away the usual explanation of economics - as in money, where there other reasons. IF, as in if money were no object even in the 1920's would the Flushing and Astoria lines be built as underground subways instead of as elevated lines? The one thing to consider is the connection to/from the 59th Street for the Second Avenue elevated line.Definitely transit history, as well as the look of NYC would be different if certain events were changed just a bit. In any case, just fun stuff to think about. Mike |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 17:43:31 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 29 16:48:38 2015. I never understood it either, unless they thought there was more population density just south of the station. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 29 17:44:32 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 17:28:41 2015. I'm sure one major reason was the track connection to the 2nd Ave. line over the bridge. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jan 29 18:27:11 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 17:28:41 2015. Both BRT and 2nd Ave El were originally supposed to use the Queensboro Bridge. That was before the Quebec Bridge collapse and the Queensboro's load shedding. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 29 19:13:16 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Michael549 on Thu Jan 29 17:28:41 2015. "There is an interesting question as to why the Queensboro Plaza station is elevated in the first place?"Considering how much effort was made to make Queens Plaza pretty after the bridge was completed, makes you wonder if anyone was aware that all that work was just a few years from being ripped up by EL construction. Mismanagement, Ignorance, graft...who knows the reason why all that work was done & money wasted. Maybe someone told somebody that the rapid transit line considered would be a subway, thus all those cosmetics at the plaza. We'll never know. I'll guess the reason that QBP was constructed as an El station was that construction twoards Corona, as the Interborough planned, would have been prohibitive going under Sunnyside Yards in terms of money & geological problems tunneling in that area that came with it. Loose sandstone & underground streams permiate the area as was discovered during construction of the East Side Access. Tunneling in those conditions, under the Sunnyside yards would have been time consuming & very costly using early 20th century construction techniques. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 29 19:46:45 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by The silence on Thu Jan 29 08:04:39 2015. Even with the typical traffic that it hits over there, it's way faster than going all the way to Willets Pt |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 29 19:48:09 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 29 19:46:45 2015. There can be traffic getting from LGA to the BQE. But it's usually a 5 minute delay or something like that. The Q70 route is very good. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jan 29 19:49:28 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 29 03:40:45 2015. Not really |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 29 21:55:08 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 29 13:34:35 2015. An "Archie Bunker line"? What does that mean? If there are Archie Bunkers out there, why should they be denied mass transit? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jan 30 08:20:44 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Jan 29 21:55:08 2015. You took his bait. Now you really opened a can of fresh worms. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 30 14:46:46 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 29 16:48:38 2015. I have a very strong suspicion that when the Astoria Line was built, it was intended that the structure be continued further on, turning east along Ditmars hence the reason for the statin being a bit south of Ditmars itself. However, Lefferts Blvd station also ends slightly before Lefferts itself so it’s not that uncommon for certain stations to be a little off from the streets for which they are named. By the way, it was common practice for the BMT to used just neighborhood names as destinations for certain lines. The BMT steels had the destinations, “Jamaica’ and “Canarsie” rather than 168 St or Rockaway Pky on their signs.Even “Coney Island” was not the actual name of the station at that location which is officially “Stillwell Avenue.” Although I have not seen any pictures of the IRT cars when they ran to Astoria, but i Believe they carried the full name of the state which was originally “Ditmars Avenue” before that thoroughfare was upgraded to a boulevard like Lefferts was. The BMT was a bit inconsistent with their train signals since Myrtle Av trains read “Metropolitan Av” and Fulton St trains read “Lefferts Av.” rather than merely “Middle Village” or “Richmond Hill." |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 30 18:08:07 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 30 14:46:46 2015. The R-12s had ASTORIA on its side roll signs. I was a bad boy one day & in the last car of a R-12, I played with the sign to find this out. When I tried to roll it back to read TIMES SQ, the roll sign jammed. oops! |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 30 19:42:26 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 30 18:08:07 2015. Intersting. Does anyone know what the Steinways had? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 30 20:02:38 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 30 14:46:46 2015. i have done a lot of research on the Astoria line and I found out why 25th Ave/Astoria Blvd is a 3 track express stop. That was to speed trolley riders to Manhattan. Never came across any potential extensions on Ditmars Ave/Blvd. In the 1920's, LGA was a small airport called North Beach Apt, so why turn east on Ditmars?Speaking of the BMT, I do remember some Standards that said RIDGEWOOD, instead of METROPOLITAN AVE. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 30 23:18:52 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Jan 30 20:02:38 2015. Speaking of the BMT, I do remember some Standards that said RIDGEWOOD, instead of METROPOLITAN AVE.I don't. Nor with the large signs |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 30 23:43:00 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 30 18:08:07 2015. The R-12s had ASTORIA on its side roll signs.Your memory is playing tricks on you. However, the route sign did say Astoria Local. However, they blacked out the "Flushing," leaving only "Local" for Flushing Local, when the R12/14/15 ran on the Flushing Line. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 31 00:45:23 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 30 23:43:00 2015. I wonder what happened to the “Bronx Park” readings since that spur was still open when the R-12s through 14s were delivered. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jan 31 08:03:46 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 31 00:45:23 2015. I wonder what happened to the “Bronx Park”Look again. Bronx Park is there in 2 places. For a destination it's: 180th St - Bronx Pk. Also the route is: 7th Ave - Bronx Pk Exp. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jan 31 11:42:34 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 30 23:43:00 2015. Thanks for sharing. I could have swore....etc!:) |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 31 13:44:44 2015, in response to Re: Why not build Cuomo's ''LGA AirTrain'' to the N/Q?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jan 30 23:18:52 2015. I can remember some Standards in the 1960's that had the smaller side roll signs that said, RIDGEWOOD. I remember the ones with larger signs, too for METROPOLITAN AVE. |
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