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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:17:09 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 23:06:14 2014. It's maintaining a physical connection and I have it from a road foreman that they may even be retaining thru peak service. So nothing has been set in stone operationally. And even if it had been, again, LIRR has no choice but to retain it. They want to add service but they'll have nowhere to send the trains. NYP is maxed out and all the capacity benefits of ESA will be lost if they do away FBA. Sorry, I'm just giving you the reality of the situation. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:21:32 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:11:25 2014. Ha, sorry, I didn't bother to look at the numbers. I was just assuming the increase since you had said something along the lines of a 1% overall increase. My mistake! Still, Woodhaven Blvd buses in general have always been congested. It's nothing new. And assuming each bus can hold an average of 60 people, that's 858 buses per day required to move all the people. You don't think that's a slight hint that something more efficient is needed? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:26:45 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:15:41 2014. Fair enough. Why aren't people flocking to Queens right now on weekends to take advantage of city ticket? And what about the parking lots immediately adjacent to the RR. Who governs those? $2.50 is too low if you ask me. I'd say full time city ticket (how much is that these days?) or something comparable to the express bus fare would be more appropriate of a fit |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:44:17 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:21:32 2014. assuming each bus can hold an average of 60 people, that's 858 buses per day required to move all the people.Don't be too quick to reach conclusions. The most heavily used bus stops are transfer stops to the subway. This suggests each run may have high passenger turnover during a complete run. Another caveat is that the Q53 runs past Woodhaven/Queens Blv to Woodside. The bus stop data in one of NYCDOT's reports hints that riders between Woodhaven/Queens Blv and Woodside may account for 1/3 of the Q53's ridership. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:59:28 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:26:45 2014. Why aren't people flocking to Queens right now on weekends to take advantage of city ticket?Many are and local Little Neck, Douglaston and Bayside residents are complaining. It's not a flood because most commuters use monthly or weekly tickets. Also, zone 3 rush hour service is anemic. $2.50 is too low if you ask me. Guiliani proclaimed one fare one city, when he abolished the SI Ferry fare and inaugurated bus/subway Metrocard transfers. It has pluses and minuses. However, it's going to very difficult to turn back the clock. City ticket is $4. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 01:00:25 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:59:28 2014. One city one fare already doesn't exist considering the difference between express bus fares and the rest of the bus fares. It doesn't matter what Giuliani proclaimed, especially not anymore. I really don't understand why you even bring this up. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Dec 19 05:57:57 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 08:16:06 2014. As many of them are selfish or think they'll get a remake of The High Line there.That could turn into "Be Careful What You Wish For." |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 07:03:18 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Thu Dec 18 08:16:06 2014. I don't think they really want QueensWay all that much. What they really want is NO TRAIN (of any kind) there. If QueensWay is a workable means to an end for them, they'll take it.I really don't see the high line being replicated in Queens. And neither do the backers of this project. They just wan't NO F***ING TRAIN! |
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Posted by BusRider on Fri Dec 19 08:16:44 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:02:30 2014. Thank you sir. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 19 09:00:32 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 01:00:25 2014. NYC's resurgence of public transit use can be traced to the elimination of two-fare zones. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 19 09:08:48 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:20:24 2014. He meant an empty train on the Flushing line. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Dec 19 11:27:53 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 07:03:18 2014. As said, because many of them are selfish and are not looking at the greater good. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 13:15:49 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Dec 18 23:11:25 2014. Your Q11 figure is not a good one to compare. 2008 iS a terrible year to use because the Q21 started paralleling the Q11 in August. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 19 13:48:08 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 07:03:18 2014. You are correct |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 19 13:49:37 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 13:15:49 2014. 2008 iS a terrible year to use because the Q21 started paralleling the Q11 in August.Here's the Q21 data. It's in comma delimited form so you can import it to a spreadsheet. How much difference does it make? route,2008,2013 Q11,10337,4900 Q21,1646,2785 Q53,10611,15377 MTA,355250,370588 |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 14:32:55 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 19 13:49:37 2014. The difference is that the routes today are entirely different in structure than they were in 2008, so comparison is almost pointless.I am sure that as time went on, the Q11 has lost people to the Q21 and Q52, the Q21 has lost the entirety of its former ridership to the Q53, etc... |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:51:31 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 14:32:55 2014. There is sufficient density on all those buses to justify a rail alternative. The right of way is there. The SBS is nonsense, and will make traffic matters worse. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:53:16 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 19 09:00:32 2014. AND regentrification. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:57:40 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 23:17:09 2014. Road foreman don't make capital planning decisions. There will not be a pyhsical connection to any track below 6 at Jamaica. Al thsoe double slip switches come out.There will be far more service to ESA and NYPS than to present day NYPS and Flatbush, so the capacity benefits are not nullified. I have no idea what they wil do with Hunterspoint service, but the ADA project they want to do suggests they will keep it. There is also nothing stopping anyone to continue to head to Flatbush on the Scoots. |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Dec 19 15:18:56 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:57:40 2014. Latest maps I have seen have connectivity being retained from the lower numbered tracks. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 15:47:13 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:51:31 2014. +1 |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 15:49:59 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Dec 19 09:00:32 2014. And it's population increase doesn't have anything to do with it? Please, you're not selling me on any of your nonsense. Again, why would it have to be at subway fare if the people aren't even getting on the subway until they reach Manhattan? It's the far out extremes of the city and it's a comparatively super express service. Pay for what you're getting. Full time city ticket or express bus fare for this would be more than fair |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 15:53:04 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:57:40 2014. I'm aware they don't, I'm just stating who I got my info from. I accept though that as far as this project goes, he's only slightly more in the know than I am. And I'm not talking about existing service levels. I'm talking about capacity. What is capacity of FBA and what will be capacity of ESA? With all the additional service LIRR wants/needs to run, they're going to need to retain all 3 major terminals (and still use HPA/LIC) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 15:57:08 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 19 13:48:08 2014. Thanks. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 16:08:16 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 17 19:58:59 2014. Yes. That would provide far better, cheaper service to the city residents who live there. And, as we know, was actually planned at one point (using the Third Ave. El north of Fordham...) |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 16:14:41 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 15:53:04 2014. I don't know what theoretical capacity is at FBA, but what is actually run is no where close to ESA's projected 23 TPH, plus they can all be 12 cars trains. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:16:16 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by italianstallion on Wed Dec 17 19:58:59 2014. It's a 4-track line. You would largely eliminate the existing Harlem locals and run most Westchester/CT trains via the express tracks.Having been a regular rider of Harlem Line locals from 2004 through 2006, I can assure you that those trains are far less than a quarter of all the trains between Melrose and Woodlawn. Eliminate them and there is no way to run the remaining trains on 2 tracks. Also, Fordham is an important stop for NH Line and Harlem express trains. You could give Fordham center island platforms, but that would create additional problems. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 19 16:16:23 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 16:08:16 2014. And there would be plenty of slots for new trains. The Hudson Line merges with the Harlem at Mott Haven. All the slots taken by Hudson trains below there would be open north of there on the Harlem line. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 19 16:18:12 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:16:16 2014. You forget, the Hudson Line merges with the Harlem at Mott Haven. All the slots taken by Hudson trains below there would be open north of there on the Harlem line. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:23:34 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 19 16:18:12 2014. I don't forget. I've seen the congestion. I can't fully explain it but I guarantee you something innovative would be needed to put all NH Line trains and all express Harlem line trains on 2 tracks. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 19 16:25:31 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:23:34 2014. You could still run Westchester trains on the local tracks in between the new service.Also, regarding Fordham, between 8 and 9 am inbound, there are all of 2 NH trains stopping there, and 2 Harlem trains. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 19 16:31:07 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 19 16:25:31 2014. OK, if you don't want to use the local tracks in their entirety, it could work. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Dec 19 16:55:01 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 16:14:41 2014. Again, it's a matter of planning for future expansion. Between what's already needed on LI and the idea I have for bringing 20 min service to the city zone stations, they'll need the capacity. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Dec 19 18:46:40 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Dec 19 07:03:18 2014. It makes sense. If people want subway service they settle in a neighborhood with subway service.I wouldn't consider a neighborhood without subway service but some people don't want or need it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 19:12:38 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by merrick1 on Fri Dec 19 18:46:40 2014. Or you live where you can just find a place, which may have to be on a bus line. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Dec 19 21:19:23 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 19:12:38 2014. +1. I think most people are forced to just settle with what they can find and afford. |
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Posted by Think twice on Sat Dec 20 11:27:46 2014, in response to QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Dec 16 01:18:00 2014. Does Cuomo just hate mass transit or something? www.egotripexpress.com |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Dec 20 13:54:10 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Dec 17 12:06:45 2014. NY State is legendary for doing that |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Dec 20 14:04:16 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 21:08:52 2014. It's either that or the Queens Blvd local tracks. And there is not a whole lot of room for a third service on the QB local.The LIRR Main Line appears to have room for six tracks from Winfield Junction (PW Branch junction) to Whitepot Junction in Rego Park, where the Rockaway Beach line branched off. I suggest using the two southernmost trackways for the RB service. If there's not enough room through Woodside, then the subway tracks can branch underground through there - though that would make an expensive project even more expensive. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 20 16:30:45 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Fri Dec 19 14:51:31 2014. Here's what's going to happen:1 - The QueensWay and SBS will get the green light and "built". 2 - 5 years after the dust settles everyone will realize it isn't working. 3 - A 20 year project to build a subway under woodhaven blvd will begin, at 10x the cost it would have been to just use the old ROW. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Dec 20 19:42:54 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 20 16:30:45 2014. I really hope not. But that's certainly likely to happen. New York leaders never want to get it right the first time. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 00:21:05 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Dec 20 14:04:16 2014. This is why I would prefer the service to be subway style using LIRR equipment. It is much easier to do it that way. You can always add it to the subway system later on. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 21 03:07:15 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 21 00:21:05 2014. Anytime something is postponed to some time “later on” it never happens. Best to rebuild it for subway operation right away if it gets built at all. Apparently passenger traffic under LIRR mgmt wasn’t sufficient for the railroad to retain it which is why it was planned for the city to take it over almost as soon as the IND was built. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:44:52 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 18 08:01:19 2014. Except that South of Herald Square or so (and certainly south of 23rd), the (Q) quickly gets back to the east side.Even if the (Q) only takes away those looking for the west side from the Lex, that still eliminates people from the Lex and more importantly from the 59th Street-Lexington Avenue station. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:49:35 2014, in response to Re: QueensWay gets $444,000 grant form NY State to design the first phase, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Dec 18 22:11:14 2014. The Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover is definitely needed not only for making it possible to make Belmont Park a park-and-ride, but also given that Belmont Park in a few years could wind up becoming another Racino if the laws are changed. If a Racino happened, then the flyover (and widening of the bridge from the main line to Belmont Park to two tracks) would be very much necessary. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Dec 21 09:44:09 2014, in response to Re: Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:49:35 2014. the bridge leading into Belmont IS 2 tracks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 21 10:48:51 2014, in response to Re: Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:49:35 2014. Like Racino taking over Aqueduct ? That went real well. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 21 10:59:40 2014, in response to Re: Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:49:35 2014. You can't be a real racing fan if you want a racino at Belmont. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 21 12:58:52 2014, in response to Re: Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Dec 21 10:59:40 2014. I've been to the ones at Monticello & Yonkers. They seem to work. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 22 21:06:56 2014, in response to Re: Belmont Park/Hempstead flyover, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Dec 21 05:49:35 2014. "If a Racino happened, then the flyover (and widening of the bridge from the main line to Belmont Park to two tracks) would be very much necessary."By the time Belmont gets slot machines, we'll have as many casinos as we have CVS stores and no additional LIRR infrastructure will be needed. I don't see trainloads of people exiting the subway at Aqueduct and I doubt that we would see anything like that at Belmont. Nassau and Suffolk OTB have already been approved for their own slot machines elsewhere. Even when racing was king, it wasn't needed; why would slots be any different? Even when Roosevelt Raceway was still getting 25,000+ on weekends, it never merited an on-premises station, and even as early at the 1970's they ran shuttle buses from Mineola. I will be shocked if a flyover is constructed even if Belmont does get slots. For a park and ride-- maybe, but even that might not attract enough people to justify a flyover. Finally, they used to run railroad trains to Atlantic City. The "ACES" service didn't survive, and that was before the latest boom in casino building outside of New Jersey. |
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