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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 17:58:06 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by AlM on Mon May 13 17:56:09 2013. Yes, this was back in 2008, before I knew of the differing fare structures at Secaucus.I was headed to Hoboken because the 2nd leg of my trip on another line began there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 18:01:28 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 17:58:06 2013. For an inter-divisional ticket like that, you choose at the TVM via Secaucus or Direct. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 13 18:04:50 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 18:01:28 2013. I know that now. I had no idea that it cost extra to go between Newark Penn and Hoboken, I assumed the extra fares applied only to those wanting to transfer to trains going TO Penn Station. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 18:29:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Mon May 13 17:48:15 2013. You are correct about that.While I agree about your earlier statement where you said that NJT didn't care if the conductors got aggrivated by the off peak/peak confrontations, I'm sure they got sick and tired of having to address the tons of letters, calls, or e-mails complaining to THEM about those situations. Even though the complaints are ultimately handled by customer service, it seemes that upper management wants to know all about the negative things that the public has to say... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 13 19:08:15 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 12:50:55 2013. And if a train turns out to be delayed, how can you let one or two people out of hundreds ride for free or for less than what the others paid?Many Japanese RRs offer a partial refund for all if your train is more than 2 minutes late... not that I expect that to ever happen here (we still call the train on-time if it's 2 minutes late!) but it provides a good incentive for on time performance. I seem to remember NJT unofficially would not lift tickets from hot cars in the summer (at least I never had mine collected while in a hot car), so they are no stranger to situational appeasement of riders. I wish the bus company up here did that. That said, every time I have seen a customer argue with NJT over a fare there was nothing even resembling a legitimate reason. Pickle analogy: It's like they walk into a restaurant and demand free pickles (without ordering anything), and refuse to leave until they have gotten a jar of them, all the while making your paying customers uncomfortable. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 19:35:41 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 13 19:08:15 2013. Many Japanese RRs offer a partial refund for all if your train is more than 2 minutes lateThere's also a much higher percentage of Japanese hoggers offing themselves. (Which is a subset of Japan's already-high suicide rate.) You're right on target with the pickle analogy. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Mon May 13 20:18:42 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 13 19:08:15 2013. I seem to remember NJT unofficially would not lift tickets from hot cars in the summer (at least I never had mine collected while in a hot car), so they are no stranger to situational appeasement of riders.99.999% of the time, that decision is made by the crew, not management. In fact, there was one time when former NJT executive director Richard Sarles was on an RVL train that left Newark about 30 minutes late due to late connections from NY Penn. The crew decided to appease the riders and not collect the tickets, and Sarles actually turned the crew in... I forget what the puinishment was... That said, every time I have seen a customer argue with NJT over a fare there was nothing even resembling a legitimate reason. Pickle analogy: It's like they walk into a restaurant and demand free pickles (without ordering anything), and refuse to leave until they have gotten a jar of them, all the while making your paying customers uncomfortable. Exactly my point why the "give them the pickle" crap does not apply to train passengers... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 01:43:05 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 12:01:06 2013. Where's the other 62% going? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 01:43:11 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 12:01:06 2013. Where's the other 62% going? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 14 01:44:16 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 12:01:06 2013. Sounds like maybe they should have dug that tunnel after all. :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 02:17:08 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 11 14:09:41 2013. Wow...you're fuckin dumb. I guess Metro North and GCT mean nothing? Diversification of destinations for the regional rail system is what will enhance the area. Give the people options and take some pressure off the subway. Give one good reason why we should keep force feeding everyone into Penn Station? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 02:19:10 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by WillD on Sat May 11 20:54:07 2013. I still believe that downtown is enough of an economic powerhouse to deserve direct access. If the money is going to be spent either way, why not spend it on diversifying the destinations available? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 02:27:37 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by WillD on Mon May 13 00:53:48 2013. However, Pier 11 still remains a major terminal for ferry services while 34th St, not so much |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 02:33:09 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat May 11 23:28:23 2013. Things have spread out more, including across the rivers. Jersey City and Brooklyn have become more important. It's a long shot, but a tunnel connecting Jersey City, downtown Manhattan, and Brooklyn, seems like the best investment to me. This way, those destined for downtown can have a direct train, making room on NYP trains for more of those riders (and possibly opening a couple of slots as well). |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:08:09 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Sun May 12 01:10:08 2013. Get them to a ferry and give the north shore line some trains. Kills 2 birds with 1 stone. Only issue, as Joe V mentioned, is how many of those riders actually want to go to downtown? When I first proposed NJT to St George, it was only as a last option once all terminals were filled. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 03:08:09 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 14 01:44:16 2013. We'd be waiting until perhaps 2030 for it to open. Clock's ticking for me at least; maybe you're immortal and can see it. (ESA, which already has a pre-existing tunnel under the East River, is going to be 10 years late and over twice the original cost—so far.) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:10:50 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 14:18:05 2013. Did the DMs have ANY effect on the Ronkonkoma ridership? Slow, stagnate, or even slightly reverse? Perhaps token trains don't work when there's other options close by? In the case of RVL, there's no Ronkonkoma equivalent so your comparison is flawed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue May 14 03:15:07 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 03:08:09 2013. Heh. But now the clock has STOPPED. Happy?Y'all can swim, right? :) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:25:20 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 14:37:59 2013. The siding issue is easy enough to solve, just build one. Where along 287 are the office parks? Seems like it's time to really do a census like study of where people live and where they work. Compile it and figure out the corridors and see where rail can be applied if it isn't already. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:26:51 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 18:37:54 2013. How long is ACTUAL travel time for the bus during rush hour? We all know that what's published on the schedule may very well be a load of wishful thinking. Off peak, you're probably right, but I'm still not convinced that the train will be slower during rush hour. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 05:06:33 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:08:09 2013. Depends on how many people hop on a PATH train to WTC at Newark... |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 05:39:24 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 05:06:33 2013. Even then, if WFC area is their destination, RVL->PATH still is more convenient than SI Ferry. Again, the idea was that if all the city zone terminals were maxed out and you still wanted to run more trains on the branch line, you could run that train to St George. Re-routing all RVL trains from Newark to St George is not a good solution. However, if Newark is maxed out and trains can't get past there, then any ADDITIONAL service could be routed to St George. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 06:06:20 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 05:39:24 2013. I never recommended all trains, only some, because people may want to go to midtown as well. St. George would have been useful as a rush hour terminal (though I would REALLY hate to miss the last train at St. George, something which could be alleviated if the trains were timed with the boats). Other times the current modes of transit would be enough, since the ferry would be too infrequent. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:25:10 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 01:43:05 2013. NYP 38.1%NWK 49.7% HOB 1.2% LOCAL 11.1% |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:28:56 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 05:06:33 2013. At Newark, there is PSE&G and Prudential.As for PATH, there is lower Manhattan, but also little Wall Street at Exchange Place, and lower Chelsea, a cheaper alternative that going to NYPS. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:36:55 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:10:50 2013. DM's did nothing to reverse the exodus from the South Shore and Port Jeff. The consists are the same or smaller than they were in the 1990's. There has been intRA-branch shift from HPA and Jamaica trains to DM trains though.That's why this incessant whining by the RVRC for a token train is so stupid, and they don't listen. It is a political organization with representation from other boros and towns along the way out to High Bridge. Their dilemma is political, not market driven. Westfield and Cranford have penis envy for Summit. Their Vice Chair at one time was the mayor of Westfield. He said in public after ARC was killed that "there is a special place in hell for Christie". Public official should not speak like that in public. That is not Subchat. For the RVL, there is a linear fringe area that competes with the Gladstone Branch: places like Warren along the mountain ridge north or the RVL and south of I-78. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:42:50 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:25:20 2013. Do a Bing map , Bird's eye. Office parks are tucked in amongst the trees at most every exit on I-78 and I-287. Nothing is walkable, and cannot be served by public transit very well.What you are asking for was already done for a P-Burg extension. I have the results on a CD. That's why nothing is moving forward. There is no critical mass based on O&D's to do much of anything, and they thought of bus feeders and shoulder riding. Where I used to work in Somerset near I-287, only Onshore Indian I-T contractors, cafeteria, and mail room workers took the DASH County bus service that runs between Bound Brook and New Brunswick. A few others used it when their car breaks down, but only if they knew me, and I told them. (Yes, there were plentiful schedules at the guards desk at the entrance). |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:47:32 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 03:26:51 2013. I have never been on the I-78 bus from A-B-E area and Clinton, but have been on the Flemington Route and the NJT 117.The bus really is faster. Trans Bridge really does take 65 - 70 minutes from Branchburg, which is a couple of miles beyond Raritan. On weekends, even with a Newark Airport stop, the same. The 117, which makes about a dozen stops along US22 into Mountainside, takes about 80 minutes. The latter also has the advantage of plentiful free parking at strip malls along the way. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:29:25 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:47:32 2013. Faster than what? A local train, off-peak, being compared with an express bus? Try comparing the 114 with the RVL from Somerville, then.You're not going anywhere on I-78 in the AM. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:32:14 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sun May 12 15:34:18 2013. Doesn't make it unviable as a through train stop. Only as a destination for the bus. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:32:58 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue May 14 05:39:24 2013. Re-routing all RVL trains from Newark to St George is not a good solution. . . which nobody proposed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 12:40:00 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:29:25 2013. Comparing rush hour RVL, which takes 75- 80 minutes with Trans Bridge and the 117. Bus is same or faster. I have been on rush hour Trans Bridge. You have not. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:46:33 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 12:40:00 2013. Baloney. You're claiming an average speed of 42 mph on the bus during rush hour. Not possible. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 13:00:48 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 18:59:47 2013. I agree, I agree, I agree... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 13:01:28 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 11 20:37:55 2013. Somebody in management, I guess... |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 13:02:46 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 12 01:54:43 2013. It's against the rules for us to lock the doors. That's not to say that the rules haven't been broken... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:03:16 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:36:55 2013. DMs did nothing to reverse the exodus from the South Shore and Port JeffThere's no full-time dual mode service, such as what operates between GCT and Poughkeepsie. (Before that, it was all engine changes at Croton too.) But then again, you're claiming rush-hour bus average speeds of between 42 mph and 48 mph on traffic-packed highways, which is truly absurd. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue May 14 13:04:34 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 12 00:44:25 2013. The crews that refuse to open additional cars when the train is crowded are assholes too. But there is a happy medium between having not enough cars open and having too many cars open... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:04:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Sat May 11 18:59:47 2013. The MLVs are a joke. Useless for commuter trains. Retooled and reseated, they may work better as NEC regionals, but BBD kinda burned Amtrak and vice versa . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:11:10 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 08:25:10 2013. So no passengers are heading for the PATH? LOL . . .BTW, that's 100.1 percent. Thy rektum be a cornucopia for many yarns . . . |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 13:23:53 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:04:49 2013. but BBD kinda burned Amtrak and vice versa . . .Not stopping BBD from being in the running for the next high speed NEC train... |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:21:43 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:11:10 2013. Those are NJT, repeat, NJT loadings. There is no inference on what they do once they get to NWK, or anywhere else.If you are going to carry on about rounding error on 0.1%, you really have nothing to do. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:23:57 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:03:16 2013. (But then again, you're claiming rush-hour bus average speeds of between 42 mph and 48 mph on traffic-packed highways, which is truly absurd. )I am claiming what the schedules say, and what I have experienced, both in and outbound. The highways are packed, but they move. The procession on the High Line and the Hudson River rail tunnels is hardly a troublefree, 60-80 MPH zip either. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue May 14 14:24:55 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 12:46:33 2013. I really don't care what you think. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 14:47:21 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by 3-9 on Tue May 14 13:23:53 2013. Not true at all. BBD is definitely out of the equation, as far as Amtrak's concerned. That little lawsuit over the Acela sealed that up tight. |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Tue May 14 18:20:49 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 13:04:49 2013. Do you have any real reason for feeling this way? I ask because Amtrak's fleet replacement forecast says that existing bi-levels in use on the NEC are not really ideal for Amtrak's purposes, while you say the opposite. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 14 18:47:29 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 13 15:42:40 2013. NJT Harrison Station? This is OLD. |
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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 18:48:48 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by J Trainloco on Tue May 14 18:20:49 2013. There are several existing bilevels on the NEC, from LIRR to MBTA to MARC (which Amtrak actually operates under contract to MTA Maryland on the Penn Line). I don't see that any of them are really that useful for short-haul commuting, although they are more useful for express trains and longer commutes.Amtrak has elected to go with CAF for their new single-levels and (off-NEC) bilevels. What with NJT's bilevels being a BBD product, Amtrak would be averse to having them in their own fleet. As far as how the BBD MLVs would particularly be not useful to Amtrak for corridor services I cannot fathom, really; a version with two doors per side would mean more seats, BBD has already indicated that they can be constructed to be 125-mph capable, and corridor trains are not as stringent in terms of dwell time requirements as a commuter train. |
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Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs |
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Posted by J Trainloco on Tue May 14 19:11:16 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 18:48:48 2013. There are several existing bilevels on the NEC,from LIRR to MBTA to MARC (which Amtrak actually operates under contract to MTA Maryland on the Penn Line). I don't see that any of them are really that useful for short-haul commuting,And yet several RR properties disagree with you. I agree that Bilevels aren't ideal for commuting services, but they certainly have their pluses. Amtrak has elected to go with CAF for their new single-levels and (off-NEC) bilevels. Aside from the new cars being bought to replace the Heritage cars, what new cars is Amtrak buying? with NJT's bilevels being a BBD product,Amtrak would be averse to having them in their own fleet. Why would you say that? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 14 19:21:13 2013, in response to Re: Raritan Valley Coalition pushing for direct NJT RVL service to New York using ALP-45DPs, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue May 14 18:47:29 2013. NJT's Harrison station was closed for nine years before the first Waterfront Connector link opened. They still have to show it on the map, IINM. Might even be that NJT NEC timetables show old stations like North Rahway too. |
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