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Posted by WillD on Sat Jul 28 00:26:22 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by RailBus63 on Fri Jul 27 14:57:54 2012. More importantly APTA is a lobbying organization, one of the few for public transportation. By singling SEPTA out for praise they can potentially ease the battles SEPTA will encounter in the coming three years as Corbitt and the Pennsyltuckians try to withold more of their funding for having the gaul to do a full cost analysis of compressed natural gas.And SEPTA has been doing pretty well of late. I have to give them credit for their internet real time arrival info. Admittedly it's a decade behind the rest of the country, but at least it's finally being implemented. I guess APTA figured now was a good time to get in and claim SEPTA is the best before they made a complete hash of their next generation fare payment system. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 00:28:28 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Jul 27 20:24:11 2012. HIS COMMENT WENT COMPLETELY OVER YOUR HEAD,didnt it..? |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 28 00:39:57 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:03:47 2012. Also remember that this is an annual award. The APTA isn't saying that SEPTA is the best system of all time, just of 2012, which has been a VERY productive and successful year for the agency.I read a lot of bad things about Tri-Met, especially regarding the WES and the fact that so many resources were put into the Light Rail system at the expense of the bus system. I hear a lot of great things Salt Lake City, Denver, and Seattle's systems and hope to ride them very soon! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 28 00:46:02 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by kp5308 on Fri Jul 27 21:33:44 2012. It's definitely my favorite transit line. :) |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 28 00:50:02 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 27 17:52:25 2012. It's a bus on a subway track.And there's nothing like that out there! lol Intriguingly enough, because it runs on "subway track" there are many people who want to put the line in the same class as a heavy rail subway line. I disagree. |
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Posted by The Silence on Sat Jul 28 01:53:00 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jul 27 13:43:12 2012. When you said three outside the city, I though you were claming riverliner... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 02:06:38 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by kp5308 on Fri Jul 27 21:33:44 2012. Lost its luster when it lost the Liberty Bell Limited. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 02:09:28 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jul 27 14:48:41 2012. IIRC, the RFP for the Canada Line indicated that PPP was "necessary" for the financing of the lineA request for proposals deeming something "necessary"? That's discrimination. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 28 06:49:16 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 28 00:50:02 2012. Who the hell would want to go to Norristown ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 28 06:50:47 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Jul 27 22:33:30 2012. So they get an A for effort ?I think APTA ought to disclose that, not just merely pass them off as "best". |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 28 07:57:03 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 28 06:49:16 2012. You could go to Haverford or Bryn Mawr which are pretty college towns. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Jul 28 08:14:11 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 28 07:57:03 2012. Also Villanova.
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jul 28 08:16:21 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:03:47 2012. Montreal won in 2010, Denver won in 2008.Past winners 2011 Santa Monica Big Blue Bus 2010 Montreal STM 2009 San Diego Metropolitan Transit System 2008 Denver RTD 2007 Cleveland RTA 2006 Los Angeles County MTA 2005 Orange County Transit Authority. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 08:45:54 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by chuchubob on Sat Jul 28 08:14:11 2012. Before or after superelevation reduction? |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 28 14:13:08 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 00:25:17 2012. you can get around, even with all the el's torn down, but i wouldn't call it worlds greatest on some criteria. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 28 14:34:57 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Sat Jul 28 00:50:02 2012. Including SEPTA themselves. The NHSL is classified as a subway/high speed line on SEPTA's route maps and website. |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 28 14:40:20 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by merrick1 on Fri Jul 27 17:45:35 2012. I always thought the Staten Island Rapid Transit line was similar to the Norristown line. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:51:52 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 28 14:40:20 2012. That's a traditional rapid transit line. The NHSL is essentially a bus on subway tracks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 28 14:57:00 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 28 14:51:52 2012. Well the NHSL is historically an interurban. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:20:33 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 28 14:57:00 2012. The missing part is, anyway. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 28 17:24:46 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jul 27 12:37:49 2012. Most improved might be more fitting. Best seems to be pushing it IMO. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:25:31 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:20:33 2012. More of what is missing here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:32:02 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 28 14:34:57 2012. They even ran Almond Joys and Chicago rapid transit cars on it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:36:32 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Jul 27 13:48:04 2012. No, it's not relevant. The MTA is not responsible for getting rid of streetcars in NYC as its predecessor was; whereas SEPTA takes the rap for what's been done to those "temporarily" bustituted streetcar lines and almost-internal-combustituted trolleybus lines. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:38:39 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 28 17:24:46 2012. That sounds fair to me. |
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Posted by chud1 on Sat Jul 28 17:39:51 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:32:02 2012. 5 stars out of 5 stars on this video.chud1 |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 28 18:03:10 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jul 28 00:25:17 2012. We have the world greatest subway,railroad,bus and ferry system..so we really dont need street/trolly cars.Wake me up when we have fare integration between all modes like Berlin or Munich or when the regional railway networks stop acting as if 2 tph is great off-peak service. :-) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 18:13:41 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 28 18:03:10 2012. They aren't that good over there. And the only purpose of fare integration is data mining the citizens. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Jul 28 23:40:10 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 18:13:41 2012. They aren't that good over there.You're right. I'll remember that we're better when I'm standing in the cold like an idiot at some NJT, MNRR, or LIRR station to ride in some poorly designed and/or noisy rolling stock that underperforms compared to their German counterpart. And the only purpose of fare integration is data mining the citizens. I'd love to know how data mining works in a system with paper tickets, especially in a country so averse to data collection of its citizens, it's too afraid to do an actual census. As others have pointed out, the purpose of fare integration is to leverage the existing network to allow the rider to use the best way and combination of modes to get from one place to another. Whether it be by bus, tram, U-Bahn, S-Bahn, or Regio, the rider is given ample opportunities to maximize the transit system and minimize their travel time which makes transit far more attractive to both regular and occasional travellers. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 29 00:11:14 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sat Jul 28 14:40:20 2012. Only in as much as they should both be converted to much more conventional LRTs integrated with other lines to achieve lower operating costs through economies of scale. |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jul 29 00:13:20 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 02:09:28 2012. A request for proposals deeming something "necessary"? That's discrimination.No, that's a specification. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 29 11:43:48 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 27 21:54:33 2012. Don't need it, the P&W was third rail from the beginning. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 29 11:48:04 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:20:33 2012. The Liberty Bell line was an interurban. It was never part of the P&W, just had trackage rights to reach 69th Street. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:39:19 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jul 29 11:43:48 2012. Meaning it's a rapid transit track. Looks no different than any at grade line here in NYC, like the Sea Beach or Brighton. It's not a trolley. And the operation (driver in front with a farebox) is pure BUS. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:43:52 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 28 17:32:02 2012. Cool. I never knew they ran the AJ's on it. Surprised the wide gauge cars fit, even with the goofy looking standard trucks. How did they collect fares with these cars? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:47:08 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:01:38 2012. Good question. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:50:27 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 17:01:27 2012. They're 50 years old. The should have been retired 10 years ago. Every trip I've ever had on them has resulted in a bumpy, jumpy ride associated with a strong smell of burning ozone. 6 more months may be asking too much. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 16:37:26 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:39:19 2012. The CTA Skokie Swift was once like that. The single-unit PCC "L" cars had a shorter distance between the cab and the first side door so as to accommodate a farebox when entering. Those cars could also be in an 8 car consist down the State Street Subway.The boundaries between bus, trolley, and subway become very blurred. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 29 16:52:17 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:39:19 2012. In Manhattan during the TARS days and in Wash DC, there was no overhead since underground conduit was required in those locations, therefore the Norristown line certainly qualifies as a trolley or in modern parlance a "light rail" system. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 29 16:56:36 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:43:52 2012. SEPTA purchased standard gauge trucks from the PATH K cars that were being scrapped. While I never rode the AJs on the Norristown Line, I did ride the CTA cars and on those, an additional operator was assigned as a sort of C/R to open the doors and collect the fares so I imagine the same thing was done with the AJs. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Jul 29 18:09:01 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 27 16:07:09 2012. "so as to avoid an FRA waiver"Shhh, don't mention federal regulations or dozens will pounce on you in here. As for TVM's, what type of utility will that expense host? People buy their passes at the end/beginning of the month, and that's it. Actually those people should probably get them mailed to them now frankly versus waiting in line once a month. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 29 18:10:26 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:50:27 2012. They were running Blueliners until they were 70 years old, right? They sure don't make 'em like they used to . . . |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 29 18:16:04 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:39:19 2012. flanged steel wheel on a steel rail. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jul 29 18:17:33 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 16:37:26 2012. originally developed for Evanston off peak OPTO. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 18:22:06 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 29 18:10:26 2012. Until about 55. The newest ones, built just after the war, were actually the first to go.The last MP54's running (the E6 subclass) were built as steam coaches in the 1910's, into MU cars not until 1950, gone by the early 1980's. Their traction motor did not hum. The E5's also started in the teens, ran until the late 1970's on the Conrail WAS-BAL locals |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 29 18:26:59 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 18:22:06 2012. The DL&W's MUs also started out as steam coaches.Funny how with modern MUs, the conversion often goes the other way, though (with Arrow Is, LIRR's MP72s and some RDCs, they start out as MUs and get converted to push-pull cars). |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Jul 29 18:39:03 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 18:22:06 2012. The newest ones, built just after the war, were actually the first to go..Those eight cars (889-896) were oddballs on several fronts. 1-The only Reading MU's to have oil cooled transformers which means PCB issues made them a problem. 2-The only standard cars to have 4 traction motors & were built to be bride & groom sets with trailers modified at Reading Shops from steam coaches. 3-The only RDG MU's built with one cab. 4-The only American Car & Foundary built passenger equipment RDG ever bought. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 29 19:51:10 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 29 18:26:59 2012. I thought that was just the DL&W trailers ? The motor cars were built new. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jul 30 09:17:58 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by kp5308 on Fri Jul 27 21:33:44 2012. I'm with you. Chris doesn't know what he's talking about. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Mon Jul 30 09:26:22 2012, in response to Re: SEPTA named North America's ''best large transit system'' by APTA, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jul 29 13:39:19 2012. Wow, showing your extreme ignorance again. You think it's the only rail operation with the driver and fare box in the front? |
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