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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:45:33 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 18:09:53 2012. In the 1980's one of the weekend off-peak consists to OB was one MP15 and 3 2900's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:52:51 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:36:19 2012. The transfer at LIC sucks, yes, but the main ridership is people wanting the East Side, that traffic will be by and large gone once ESA opens, so that 3-5000 will be just a trickle. LIC can handle that small trickle, and the diesels have to go there anyway to lay up, HPA will be history. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:55:14 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 18:21:32 2012. Put 3rd rail down, and electrocute them all 1st Monday morning.Problem solved. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:55:15 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:34:52 2012. That safety valve is LIC station for the few times that would happen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:56:03 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:38:07 2012. Yes, and LIC station is there. They don't need two stations within a short distance to eachother. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:56:20 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 19:11:24 2012. Be hard to do on the Montauk on the Rockaway Jct flyover |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:57:35 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 19:37:52 2012. So you think the LIRR was intelligent ? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:58:51 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:33:43 2012. Yeah, and the whole reason people use the LIRR instead of their cars is traffic to the city. You can't have a train going from every point a to possible work location on LOng Island. A car is easier to use for most of those circumstances, and parking is also generally easy. If people wouldn't be stuck in traffic for hours, and have a hard time parking in the city once they got there, they would take their cars to the city too instead of the LIRR. Parking is not a huge issue either for many Long Island office locations. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:04:43 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:58:51 2012. That's where bus shuttles come in. 2 and 3 car families can become 1 and 2 car if they can be dropped at the station. 95% of the labor force out that way do not work in the city. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:10:13 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:52:51 2012. Not if the trains bound for GCT are full at Jamaica. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 20:15:23 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:10:13 2012. No different than trains being full at Jamaica headed to Penn Station. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:16:21 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:52:51 2012. Nobody can predict what will happen.If "your train" in the morning is a zone express, skips Jamaica and goes to NYPS, while you are really headed to the GCT area, will you take another train, possibly a slower one, or 20 minutes later, bound for GCT, assuming one is available ? If that takes 10 minutes longer, or messes up your schedule, you may just keep going to NYPS. Vice Versa can happen as well. People will not all neatly sort themselves out between east and west side when at their home station. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:27:50 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 20:15:23 2012. Thought the narrative was that the NYP-bound trains aren't any good for those bound for the East Side . . . ? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:26 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 18:22:45 2012. The LIRR needs the four tracks through thereFun question: How many trains pass through Valley Stream, and would that warrant four tracks anywhere else in the world? :-) |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 31 20:36:18 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:26 2012. a lot,see `em every day. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:42:22 2012, in response to Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 30 18:11:20 2012. Interesting.There appears to be a public school to the left of the shed in the distance. Is that the public school on 80th Street across the street from the cemetery? I got confused in the photo because I assumed there would not be a shed on the westbound tracks figuring it was for detraining only, but oh well. How many grade crossings are along this line between Jamaica and LIC? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:43:11 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:26 2012. Babylon and Far Rockaway trains are usually paired so run on separate lines to VS. Though once Brooklyn becomes a shuttle, they will have to disperse. I think operating budget pressures will see Far Rock being reduced to shuttles on weekends (again). |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:47:35 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 19:56:20 2012. Why would you say that? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:47:59 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:43:11 2012. I think operating budget pressures will see Far Rock being reduced to shuttles on weekends (again).You know, I wonder if it's just faster for most of the residents to drive to Valley Stream... |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:49:29 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 19:19:38 2012. Yes it will.Look at that. I can state an opinion as a matter of fact too! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:52:11 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 18:07:33 2012. LIRR line east of Jamaica out to RosedaleYou might as well go to Valley Stream or you're really bored, Freeport. Of course, for the money that you're considering spending, it may make more sense to just beat the LIRR into submission and force rapid transit practices on it so the off-peak headways don't blow and fare integration provides easy transfers between the railway and the subway like in Germany. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:55:16 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 31 17:43:36 2012. i wish i could find old articles in the Ridgewood Times. they covered this story extensively.the plan involved running both LIRR and NYCT along the line. speaking of that line, DOT installed a traffic light on 88th Street in Glendale just feet from the grade crossing. when the light turns red cars overlap the tracks. luckily few trains run that line these days or there would be trouble. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:57:50 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:52:51 2012. If Diesel territory riders are still going to the west side of 42nd st, people may stay on them to HPA and transfer to the 7, instead of switching to an electric at Jamaica and then to another train at GC. OTOH, if the mainline gets packed with electrics, Diesels may have to use lower Montauk. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:02:25 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:47:35 2012. 2 tracks come up between east and west bound main line. Where does the 3rd Montauk track go ? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:02:58 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Think twice on Sat Mar 31 13:56:32 2012. If we're going to do it, I would prefer this, but we'd have to spend real money to make this work...View Montauk As Subway in a larger map |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:03:17 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:34:26 2012. I counted it up once. IIRC, its something like 22 or 23 tph max. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:04:58 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:47:59 2012. No. The way the roads are structured south of the curve in Hewlett, Broadway and West Broadway merge and goes to Lynbrook. You have to make a left turn and head up Mill Road or Harris Ave, then navigate once in Valley Stream. All 30MPH limits with lots of lights. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:09:49 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:57:50 2012. What is forgotten in the hoopla is that it will take longer to get to GCT than to NYPS. En toto, less that the double IRT back from NYPS, but if you live on a diesel line, work near GCT, now go to HPA, are under 35, and in good physical condition, the gym workout at HPA and the #7 will be faster than ESA. You won't get ESA access trains anyway - you'll have to change along the way somewhere to an MU. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:16:53 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:04:58 2012. All 30MPH limits with lots of lights.FWIW, I've found myself doing 40-50 mph on Peninsula Blvd and Mill Rd without much trouble. Hell, isn't the line basically 35-40 mph MAS down there? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 31 21:21:10 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:55:16 2012. I do remember the article& the president of the lirr`s engineer`s union saying that a t.a.train with a t.a.engineer[m/m]at the controls will never happen.7 |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:22:41 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:02:25 2012. My memory fails me. You're talking about just east of Valley stream, no? I thought the trains met at the same grade. Regardless, re-alignment wouldn't be that difficult. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Mar 31 21:25:11 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:22:41 2012. they come together at apx,230st& sunrise h`way[north conduit ave.] |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:26:06 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:16:53 2012. I used to live there and Peninsula's limit is 30MPH, so watch it. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:28:30 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:02:58 2012. Far too many tunnels: any tunnel money for the next 30 years is going to 2nd avenue. The advantage of using existing ROWs is that you substantially reduce capital costs. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:30:16 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:03:17 2012. its something like 22 or 23 tph maxFor four tracks? ATO and better performing rolling stock may be our friend in this case... |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:32:10 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:22:41 2012. I mean back near Hillside. That would be very difficult |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:32:42 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:52:11 2012. Agreed, but I don't think you're ever going to convert the entire LIRR into a Rapid transit like operation. Maybe you could merge Far Rock/Long Beach into the subway. Of course, that would mean NYCT would have to expand beyond city limits. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:37:10 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 31 20:27:50 2012. Yes, and similarly, there will be through Grand Central trains, where people will get off for Penn Station. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:38:14 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:16:21 2012. If "your train" in the morning is a zone express, skips Jamaica and goes to NYPS, while you are really headed to the GCT area, will you take another train, possibly a slower one, or 20 minutes later, bound for GCT, assuming one is available ? If that takes 10 minutes longer, or messes up your schedule, you may just keep going to NYPS.No, if that was the case, I would just take that train into Penn and take the E train to Lexington Ave... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:39:54 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 20:57:50 2012. If Diesel territory riders are still going to the west side of 42nd st, people may stay on them to HPA and transfer to the 7, instead of switching to an electric at Jamaica and then to another train at GC.No, I would get off at Jamaica and cross the platform and go to Penn from there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:41:02 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 21:09:49 2012. No, as it will be much easier to just cross the platform somewhere than deal with the 7 train. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:42:25 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by Joe V on Sat Mar 31 20:04:43 2012. And that 95% of the people go to thousands of different destinations spread all over the island. It's utter railfan fantasy to think that people will take trains instead of their cars around Long island where parking generally isn't an issue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:45:29 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by LuchAAA on Sat Mar 31 20:42:22 2012. Possibly 80th St. If you look in the distance, you can see the overpass metal from the Cooper Ave underass. Beyond that the Rockaway trestle over the Montauk Branch. I took a "recent" (well, late 90's) view of this same scene, and it is very similar other than more buildings/homes being on the left. The Cooper underpass metal is visable there too. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 1 01:15:09 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by J trainloco on Sat Mar 31 21:28:30 2012. any tunnel money for the next 30 years is going to 2nd avenueWhich is admittedly sad. I'm still dubious about building SAS below 42nd Street because other than the hospitals and the Hunter college campus, I can't think of much else, and for a fraction of the cost, you could probably get away with running a streetcar service to connect the really far locations back to rest of the subway. The problem is that the unless you build the additional tunnels, the line just simply ends up being an orphan that leads to a ferry dock, or you end up wasting time with backtracking over existing ROW (and wasting time) to get to 63rd Street. Unless you're willing to build a tunnel to maximize connections and usability, then I'd argue that the money should just go elsewhere. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 10:33:59 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 21:30:16 2012. None (4 tracks, ATO, new stock) of them are needed for a mere 23tph. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 10:38:09 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Mar 31 20:47:59 2012. It's not funny how it's more fast and convenient to drive to Mineola but you live within five minutes walk from Hempstead. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sun Apr 1 10:46:16 2012, in response to Re: Long Island City..., posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 1 01:15:09 2012. The problem is that the unless you build the additional tunnels,the line just simply ends up being an orphan that leads to a ferry dock,or you end up wasting time with backtracking over existing ROW (and wasting time) to get to 63rd Street. Unless you're willing to build a tunnel to maximize connections and usability,then I'd argue that the money should just go elsewhere.There are other options. You could connect it to 53rd east of 23rd st, which would be expensive and also result in some backtracking, but not as much, you could build a new el through Long Island City to connect to 63rd street, which would make a shorter path and thereby save time, or you could connect it to the Myrtle El, since west of Metro Mall the line runs through some industrial areas anyway, but that would probably take the longest of all options. As a last option, you could keep the line purely a LIRR operation and connect the cutoff to the existing tunnels to NYP. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 1 11:34:49 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:42:25 2012. I don't think so at all. Corporate parking may not be an issue, but traffic and car insurance is. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 16:59:06 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 19:56:03 2012. Offices are closer to HPA.And you need a place to load those summer Thursday and Friday Hamptons/Montauk trains unless you're moving them to NYP. I don't see it closing. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 1 17:02:50 2012, in response to Re: Glendale Re: Long Island City..., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Mar 31 23:41:02 2012. Enough people like faster though. |
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