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Posted by JayMan on Tue Aug 16 16:41:03 2011 When did they get rid of it? I know I'm not up on all the latest when the New York subway, but I'm on a southbound Q now and I see not only are the express tracks out of commission, but they are all rusted and have clearly been out for awhile. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 16:46:34 2011, in response to Brighton Express, posted by JayMan on Tue Aug 16 16:41:03 2011. The brighton live has been under reconstruction for about 2 1/2 years now. Express serivce has been down since september 09, and will return in a few more months. |
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Posted by zac on Tue Aug 16 17:46:52 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 16:46:34 2011. I wonder if it will revert to the same pattern as before, B express and Q local. I used Newkirk when the express was running, but have almost completely abandoned it with only the local, using Cortelyou instead. Cortelyou Road was already picking up a bit with new restaurants and some good stores and I much prefer it to Newkirk Plaza, but not so much that I'll wait for the Q if I'm on the B. I always went to Newkirk on the way into Manhattan as I would take whichever came first. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 18:10:10 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by zac on Tue Aug 16 17:46:52 2011. if they don't then they would have a serious problem on thier hands. The B is a part time line, the Q full time. having a part time line as the express and terminating it a brighton makes life simpler. and changes would result in complations, and a "hands off my interlocking levers" from The Lion. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 18:10:10 2011. And a historic note. When they first ran the D service down the Brighton after Chrystie Street the D was the express during the day and local at night, with the QJ as the local when the D ran express.Not only was that confusing, but they initially sent the D Brighton to Coney Island and the Q local to Brighton Beach. This meant that locals and expresses had to cross in front of each other north of BB. Te waits could be QUITE long. I forget how long it took them to end that silliness. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 16 18:37:28 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 16:46:34 2011. I think the date is some time in September and I believe they are on schedule for that. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 16 18:52:06 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 18:10:10 2011. My interlocking levers: |
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Posted by Gene B. on Tue Aug 16 18:53:39 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by The Silence on Tue Aug 16 18:10:10 2011. It has been this way dating all the way back to the "salad days" of the BMT. Brighton Express ran part time between Times Sq. and Brighton Beach and Brighton Local ran full time from either 57th St or Queensboro Plaza to Coney Island. |
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Posted by mike nash on Tue Aug 16 18:58:51 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Aug 16 18:37:28 2011. 9/12 is the tentive date |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Aug 16 20:01:28 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by zac on Tue Aug 16 17:46:52 2011. Yeah, I wouldn't look for anything new in terms of service patterns just because the renovations finish. The reason for the B becoming the Brighton Express to begin with back in 2004 was that it is a part time line. Without the R40 slants, however, and with the R160s fast acceleration making the local much faster than it ever was, I barely miss the Brighton Express nowadays anyway. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:11:19 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by mike nash on Tue Aug 16 18:58:51 2011. I wonder if the MTA will make a showy announcement. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:19:01 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by mike nash on Tue Aug 16 18:58:51 2011. 9/12 is the tentive dateThen I would expect that Q service would be messed up for the weekend of 9/10-9/11, and so far no diversion is shown on the MTA web site. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 16 20:26:32 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011. 6 months. March 1968 saw the end of some of the sillier initial Chrystie St. routings, like the NX, RJ and terminating locals at Brighton Beach. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:38:40 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 16 20:26:32 2011. The NX and QB were designed to mollify Brighton riders who would no longer have had ANY Broadway service. The QB was (IIRC) just five trains a.m. and five trains p.m.The NX was set up to fail, making no stops whatever on the Sea Beach line. The QB lasted; in fact it now runs 24/7 as the Q. |
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Posted by mike nash on Tue Aug 16 20:47:10 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:19:01 2011. no but look at 9/9 b diverision |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 16 21:22:22 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011. The madness at BB lasted from November 26, 1967 until August 18, 1968, when D trains began terminating at BB when running express in Brooklyn and the QB and QJ continued on to Coney Island. During nights and weekends, the D made all local stops and ran all the way to Coney Island. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 21:23:05 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by mike nash on Tue Aug 16 20:47:10 2011. So, I see. That explains it. Thanks! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 17 01:10:17 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011. It was ended in 1968 JULY and AUGUST..along with the NX/JJ/RJ lines. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 17 01:13:19 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011. It was ended in 1968 JULY and AUGUST..along with the NX/JJ/RJ lines.It wasnt confusing at all of you knew how to read a subway map..or the platform signs. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 17 04:46:56 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by zac on Tue Aug 16 17:46:52 2011. I railfanned the Brighton Line in April, I wondered back then to myself if the line would be served better with two locals (with the part time one, currently the B, continuing to terminate at Brighton Beach) as opposed to the traditional service pattern of having an express line on weekdays. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 17 06:50:34 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:38:40 2011. Kinda shows the Q was the more neccessary service after all. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 17 07:03:24 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 17 06:50:34 2011. Agreed. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 07:54:32 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Edwards! on Wed Aug 17 01:10:17 2011. The NX ceased to be on Good Friday, April 12, 1968. You might say it was crucified. The JJ lasted until June 30. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Aug 17 08:11:24 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:38:40 2011. Lets not forget the M appearance on the Brighton as well! |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Aug 17 08:16:54 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 16 18:52:06 2011. Nice photo but... no lion??? |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Aug 17 08:21:10 2011, in response to Brighton Express, posted by JayMan on Tue Aug 16 16:41:03 2011. Back in 1963 or 1964, when the "Q" was the express and the "QT" was the local, with the "QB" running local when the "Q" and "QT" weren't running, a subway buff friend told me that the "Q" was being discontinued. I made a poster with a drawing of either standards or triplexes labelled "Last Brighton Express" and attached it to the front window and rode what I believed was the last run of the line. Of course, people looked at me like I was crazy.Bob |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Aug 17 09:13:11 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Aug 16 20:01:28 2011. I'd much prefer to see the Q as the express, local nights and weekends, and B part-time local, as that way the 6th Av. line, which is more important work days, serves all stations on those days. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 15:05:23 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Aug 17 08:11:24 2011. Something tells me they sent the Moe to Coney Island because its route was shorter than that of the Curly Joe. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 17 15:27:14 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 15:05:23 2011. That was the reason. Once the Myrtle el stopped running and the M went from a rush hour only service to a more or less 6A to 9P service it was able to be routed to the Southern Div to provide more reliability than the much longer QJ had been able to provide. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 17 15:31:09 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Aug 17 09:13:11 2011. But even in the pre Manny B rebuild days, the M-F service was Brighton Express via 6 Ave and the local stations were served by the M without any midday service to midtown Manhattan at all without a change at one of the express stations. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Aug 17 15:57:52 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Aug 17 09:13:11 2011. Just a couple of notes:Often times in planning transit routes there is a tendency to want to have folks who live at the outer ends of a transit line ride the route that becomes an express route rather than a local route. For example, the A-train in Washington Heights, the D-train in the Bronx, or the N-train in Brooklyn. In addition there is a tendency to also want to create local routes that "end" before the express does. For example the old AA, now C route in Washington Heights, the old CC, now B route in the Bronx, the Eastern Parkway KK route of old, or the M-R-GG along Queens Blvd. Of course there are times when the track situation as built very much suggests that the express route ends at a particular station, while the local route continues onward. For example Utica Avenue for #4 and #5 trains, 57th Street-7th Avenue now for Q-trains (and other lines at times), and of course the Brighton Beach station. Having the old M and QB or QJ, now the Q-train as the full-length local trains help simplify the operations at the Brighton Beach station. Fewer trains have to cross each other's path. Sometimes purely to keep transit riders clear about what trains go where, full-time local routes and part-time express routes work well. For example when the B-train ends there's no Brighton Express service. Passengers don't have to hold doors or question out-loud if the train is express or local. This is similar to the suggestions that #2 trains be express in the Bronx, while the part-time #5 become the locals. A complete un-necessary recipe for rider confusion. Just my thoughts. Mike |
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Posted by Gene B. on Wed Aug 17 16:05:46 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 20:38:40 2011. It will be interesting to see what they do with the Q when, and if, the Second Ave. subway northern portion above 63rd St. gets completed and the Q gets extended northward. I wonder how many of us will still be around to find out. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 17 18:48:14 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Gene B. on Wed Aug 17 16:05:46 2011. They'll probably extend it to 96th and eventually to 125th. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 17 20:27:53 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Aug 17 04:46:56 2011. The Brighton is very similar to Queens Blvd in terms of volume. Two locals would create a conga line. Local and express does a far better job of distributing passengers, particularly those only going to Atlantic for the IRT transfers. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 17 21:20:46 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 17 15:27:14 2011. The ridiculously long (in both route length and running time) QJ was another example of bad planning in Christie Street. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 17 21:25:11 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by GIS Man on Wed Aug 17 08:21:10 2011. Actually the Brighton Express (1 or Q) nearly came to grief when the skip-stop was instituted for the Newark station lengthening. They actually decided that the skip-stop was so great they didn't need to restore the express service.This led to one of the first real public hearings of the TA, after which full express service was restored when the construction finished. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 00:53:38 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Wed Aug 17 21:20:46 2011. At the time, it probably wasn't perceived as being any worse than the D to Stl or the A and E to the Rockaways from their respective northern terminals. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 03:44:27 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Aug 17 20:27:53 2011. The brighton express should have been rerouted to the IND Smith st route's express level.. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Aug 18 09:08:11 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 03:44:27 2011. It would have been if former Assemblyman Dan Feldman's proposal tunnel to link the Brighton line with the IND Culver / Smith Street line, which I helped him with had actually been built. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 10:11:15 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Aug 18 09:08:11 2011. of course ,since its Brooklyn,nothing gets built.there must be a way to get our vitals built.. get these politicians off their asses to put in work for BROOKLYN,the same way they fought for Manhattans new subways.. We need back bone...not excuses..and the more we allow the MTA to screw us over..the more they ARE going to screw us over. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Aug 18 10:29:14 2011, in response to Brighton Express, posted by JayMan on Tue Aug 16 16:41:03 2011. It's been out for over a YEAR......due to station rehabs along the line. |
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Posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Aug 18 10:29:57 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 10:11:15 2011. You are 100% correct, problem is that nobody has ever figured out how to accomplish this. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 10:52:42 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Mr. D - Type on Thu Aug 18 10:29:57 2011. We have a boro president with a thing for the spotlight. If he and the others put some of that energy into fighting for our rapid transit issues..his run for mayor[you know hes gonna run] might not be handicapped by lack of vision. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 18 22:26:36 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 18 00:53:38 2011. That was probably their reasoning, but the almost all-local QJ made a lot more stops on its run than those other express services. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Thu Aug 18 22:41:43 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Thu Aug 18 22:26:36 2011. There are many GO's planned for 9/10, not only the Q shutdown, but also the suspension of the L. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Aug 19 04:42:32 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Edwards! on Thu Aug 18 03:44:27 2011. From a previous message: "The brighton express should have been rerouted to the IND Smith st route's express level.. "And how would that have benefited Brighton line riders, compared to the regular B or D trains on the Brighton line? What exactly was the proposal? Mike |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 19 05:28:39 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 16 18:26:32 2011. This meant that locals and expresses had to cross in front of each other north of BB. Te waits could be QUITE long.They handle the merge at Prospect Park no problem. Capacity clearly isn't the issue (although throwing the NX into the mix can't have helped). In fact, it's even easier, as one can just hold the local at Sheepshead Bay for the express to go first. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Fri Aug 19 07:53:48 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 17 15:31:09 2011. I'm advocating something similar to that, except that the Broadway Express go to Brighton Beach when the 6th Avenue Express operates, otherwise local to Coney Island. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Aug 19 08:04:50 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Fri Aug 19 05:28:39 2011. I'm inclined to agree. If it was desired, there should be no reason why the switching can't be done at Brighton Beach. Even if the southbound local and express arrive at Sheepshead Bay at the same time, the local waits, the express goes, and with good conductors, the passengers on the local train will be told that they can get to Brighton Beach faster with the express.Going northbound, all they have to do is have an local depart Brighton Beach when a corresponding express from Coney Island hits about Ocean Parkway. Also, with all of that space behind Brighton Beach, I don't see why trains terminating there can't all arrive at the same platform and depart from the northbound platform. I and people I know have missed trains thinking they were on the right side for departure. It's less than 20 TPH all together at the height. How long can the delays possibly get? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 19 09:06:18 2011, in response to Re: Brighton Express, posted by Michael549 on Fri Aug 19 04:42:32 2011. Waht he's talking about is after Prospect Park station on the B/Q lines, one line along the present route the other having a connection tunneling under Prospect Park to the Smith St. express tracks. |
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